Who is the better... Brady or Aikman?

[ringmaster]

Aikman, and Brady are one in the same they both were/is accurate passers but if I had to pick one QB, in their prime that's a hard one because either QB, would've came out on top.

Alot of Cowboys "fans" chose Brady, simply because he was a 6th round pick and had alot of question marks coming out college verses Aikman, being a #1 overall pick in the 1989 NFL Draft.

But to me Aikman, is still underrated even with the rings because alot of people say that he had so much talent on those 90s Cowboys teams, and how the OL, was the reason he was so good.

Every quarterback regardless if it was: Marino, Elway, Montana, Farve, Young, and Kelly just to name a few had alot of talent around them to but they will always be in some people's eyes much better than Troy.

I'm going to disagree mainly because if you put Aikman, on any of those teams being that he was a great passer and he would've put up numbers that all of those QBs, I just mentioned but he probably wouldn't have the rings just stats that so many of these "fans" keep *****ing about.

Aikman, was in a timing offense that was ran by Norv Turner, and I dare any of these "fans" who keeps calling Troy, a JAG, ask Turner if he had a choice between: Marino, Farve, Elway, Young, Kelly, Manning,and Brady to run his offense of the 90s, who would he choose guess what he would've chose Troy every time because no one ran Turner's system like Troy, not Ferotte, Shuler, Green, or Johnson and all of them with the exception of Heath Shuler did fairly well (Green, Ferotte, and Johnson) did relatively well in his offense but none of them aren't on the same level with Troy in that regard.

Some of these "fans" also say that any QB, would've won a SB, with all of that talent the 90s Cowboys had on offense and their wrong again hell if that was the case Jason Garrett, would won the SBs, for us if any QB, could come in and do it bottomline without Troy, on offense the Cowboys wouldn't win probably any SBs in the 90s.

 

[ringmaster]

I think it's too close to call, but Brady throws a much better deep ball than Aikman...the long ball was always his weakest throw, underthrown or overthrown....eventually, he took something off and let Irvin and others catch the deep one thrown short and get tackled rather than keep throwing it too far.

For you to say that the deep ball was Aikman's, weakness is utterly ridiculous when you hear people say that a QB can make every throw that means he can make the deep ones too I bet you don't remember that 1999 overtime win over Washington, when Aikman, threw a beautiful 76 yd bomb to Rocket Ismail.

Aikman, made every throw easily but the funny thing to me though is that people say Brady, can't throw a good deep ball but he actually can you my friend need to go and watch some old film of Aikman, and you will clearly see he had a good deep ball especially when he was in college.

 

[Doomsday101]

For you to say that the deep ball was Aikman's, weakness is utterly ridiculous when you hear people say that a QB can make every throw that means he can make the deep ones too I bet you don't remember that 1999 overtime win over Washington, when Aikman, threw a beautiful 76 yd bomb to Rocket Ismail.

Aikman, made every throw easily but the funny thing to me though is that people say Brady, can't throw a good deep ball but he actually can you my friend need to go and watch some old film of Aikman, and you will clearly see he had a good deep ball especially when he was in college.

I think Troy deep ball was better than some like to claim. I will say if Troy had one draw back it was throwing a wet ball. Troy on a rainy day had trouble, it had a lot to do with the way Troy would grip the ball. Norv never bother to change it because of the accuracy Troy had but on a rainy day Troy would struggle

 

[felix360]

Talent- Aikman
Leadership- Brady

what!!!!!!???????? leadership and talent goes to both aikman, its obvious u have never seen clips of aikman yelling on the sideline at his line to get up and block or getting at his rcvrs. to catch the ball. aikman far more leader than brady anyday of the week.

 

[mperfection]

Brady plays on a superbly coached team who's defense has totally stoned some of the best offensive teams in football consistently since he's been there...he has always had good receivers and TE's to work with, and his OL consistently provides him with excellent pass protection....you also can not downplay the difference in the league today as opposed to the 80's and early to mid 90's...it IS watered down, there are NOT as many good (especially great)...the Bills teams that Dallas and Washington destroyed would win championships easily today...hell alot of teams that simply made the playoffs would be real tough for anyone to beat now...the league was LOADED then, it is NOT loaded today

David

THIS is a tired, old argument.

 

[mperfection]

What great QB hasn't had a great team around him? Even John Elway required a great team around him before he could win the big one.



What QB doesn't except one who is average or terrible?



Wouldn't you think losing one of the best receivers of all time would have such an impact? Pointing out this fact does nothing to diminish Aikman's greatness.

How would Montana have fared without Rice or Roger Craig? How did Elway do without Terell Davis? How would have Bradshaw have done without Franco Harris?

As dbair1967 pointed out, this argument is just plain stupid.

He did just fine without EITHER of them in the '82 SB win against Cincinnati.:bang2:

 

[SultanOfSix]

THIS is a tired, old argument.

I think he already said this about your argument.

He did just fine without EITHER of them in the '82 SB win against Cincinnati.:bang2:

Yawn. But he had solid players at those positions. No player wins a SB without a solid team. And no QB wins three of them without being great.

 

[Gamebreaker]

what!!!!!!???????? leadership and talent goes to both aikman, its obvious u have never seen clips of aikman yelling on the sideline at his line to get up and block or getting at his rcvrs. to catch the ball. aikman far more leader than brady anyday of the week.

Are you saying Brady doesn't do the same thing?

 

[DBoys]

I am going to get my 2 cents in.

First off New England played in one of the worst divisions in football.

Miami
Buffalo
N.Y. Jets

Dallas played in one of the toughest.

Check the stats while I don't like Aikman he is a better QB than Brady.

 

[Colo]

:holmes:

Aikman...simply because I think he could whip Brady's arse in a fist fight.

 

[calico]

It's hard to judge the two but since Aikman played against real competition and Brady has played against a watered down parity league, then Aikman should be considered above Brady.

Good to be around smart football fans overall who know football. I posted something similar in a popular forum that deals with football and media and flamed because today's football player is "bigger, faster, and stronger" than they were 10 years ago. Plus, I was told that today's league is much better and more difficult because the "competition is better".

I thought that was a unique was to look at a watered down, bordering on boring, league.

I don't think you can compare Aikman and Brady because they come from different eras in the league.

I think Aikman is never given ENOUGH credit for the 90's dynasty and Brady is given TOO MUCH credit for NE.

I have never actually been that impressed with Brady, he does not look good under pressure at all, but his O-line and a weak league saves him from that.

I have never seen someone as accurate as Aikman, especially on the deep out. I don't think Brady could make that throw more than 3 out of 10 times.

I am also amazed that Brady is deemed the next Montana, another overrated player who benefitted from an excellent system that took the league by storm at the time.

Aikman was a smart football player who was more of a leader than he is given credit. He found his perfect fit in an offense that he thrived in with a receiver who would put his body on the line to catch the ball...it also did not hurt at all to have the NFL's all time rusher lined up behind him. Which is why Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings and did not pull a Payton Manning or Dan Marino.

 

[Cowchips]

Good to be around smart football fans overall who know football. I posted something similar in a popular forum that deals with football and media and flamed because today's football player is "bigger, faster, and stronger" than they were 10 years ago. Plus, I was told that today's league is much better and more difficult because the "competition is better".

I thought that was a unique was to look at a watered down, bordering on boring, league.

I don't think you can compare Aikman and Brady because they come from different eras in the league.

I think Aikman is never given ENOUGH credit for the 90's dynasty and Brady is given TOO MUCH credit for NE.

I have never actually been that impressed with Brady, he does not look good under pressure at all, but his O-line and a weak league saves him from that.

I have never seen someone as accurate as Aikman, especially on the deep out. I don't think Brady could make that throw more than 3 out of 10 times.

I am also amazed that Brady is deemed the next Montana, another overrated player who benefitted from an excellent system that took the league by storm at the time.

Aikman was a smart football player who was more of a leader than he is given credit. He found his perfect fit in an offense that he thrived in with a receiver who would put his body on the line to catch the ball...it also did not hurt at all to have the NFL's all time rusher lined up behind him. Which is why Aikman has 3 Super Bowl rings and did not pull a Payton Manning or Dan Marino.

So Aikman was better than Montana now? You blew your entire argument with that comparison Up until then, you almost had me convinced. As far as deep balls go, Brady is much better than Aikman ever was. The man just had 4,300yds passing compared to Aikman's best at 3,600yds. I'm sure that was all yards after catch though

I actually think Brady and Aikman are very close. Unless Brady wins a couple more SBs, then he'll get the nod. But comparing Aikman to Montana is foolish. Montana was a much better QB.

Also, I don't think you can say that Dallas' system sucked vs. New England and SF. Irvin and E. Smith are lightyears better than any receiver and rb that Brady has ever had. I think that is putting down the entire team and coaches just to pump up your boy Aikman.

 

[dbair1967]

So Aikman was better than Montana now? You blew your entire argument with that comparison Up until then, you almost had me convinced. As far as deep balls go, Brady is much better than Aikman ever was. The man just had 4,300yds passing compared to Aikman's best at 3,600yds. I'm sure that was all yards after catch though

I actually think Brady and Aikman are very close. Unless Brady wins a couple more SBs, then he'll get the nod. But comparing Aikman to Montana is foolish. Montana was a much better QB.

Also, I don't think you can say that Dallas' system sucked vs. New England and SF. Irvin and E. Smith are lightyears better than any receiver and rb that Brady has ever had. I think that is putting down the entire team and coaches just to pump up your boy Aikman.

since when does yards passing have anything to do with throwing a deep ball? some of the QB's in WC offenses hardly ever threw the ball deep, but ran up large yardage totals because of the system they played in

Montana was an awesome player...Brady is a great QB too...but so is Troy Aikman...you cant just simply look at numbers however, as all three of these guys played in different times and in different systems...and if you think the SYSTEM a player goes into doesnt matter, you are arguing for nothing

David

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Pretty simple. They both won 3 Super Bowls.

Aikman however has the better arm.

Problem solved, Troy is the one.

 

[DBoys]

If Brady wins another Super Bowl then he is the clear winner. NE division has improved and watch NE will start to slide.

 

[ringmaster]

So Aikman was better than Montana now? You blew your entire argument with that comparison Up until then, you almost had me convinced. As far as deep balls go, Brady is much better than Aikman ever was. The man just had 4,300yds passing compared to Aikman's best at 3,600yds. I'm sure that was all yards after catch though

I actually think Brady and Aikman are very close. Unless Brady wins a couple more SBs, then he'll get the nod. But comparing Aikman to Montana is foolish. Montana was a much better QB.

Also, I don't think you can say that Dallas' system sucked vs. New England and SF. Irvin and E. Smith are lightyears better than any receiver and rb that Brady has ever had. I think that is putting down the entire team and coaches just to pump up your boy Aikman.

According to who, you since when did you become a NFL scout both Aikman, and Brady has/had a pretty good deep ball so the Patriots WRs, are chopped liver then huh if that's the case sunshine then why was Dieon Branch SB MVP, against Philly.

But I don't remember Irvin, ever winning that honor and no I'm not saying that Branch, is a better WR but you have to do more research before you can make such claims it seem obvious to me is that you're pumping up Brady, and he's a great QB, I can guarantee you one thing like I said in another thread if you were to ask Norv Turner, if he had a choice between Brady, and Aikman to run the 90s Cowboys offense who would it be you will be shocked when he says Aikman.

You also make it sound like Aikman, begged JJ, to draft him in 1989, knowing the impending greatness that was about to happen to the team.

I didn't know the deep ball was a premium on measuring how great a QB, is it's not a high percentage throw anyway and if you pay close attention the NE, and 90s Cowboys offense resembles each other it's a high percentage passing offense, that doesn't ask the QB, to throw deep that much anyway well more so in Turner's version but like I said before when scouts and coaches tell you that a QB, can make all the throws which Aikman, and Brady is/was good at that should tell you that means the deep ones too look it up if you don't believe me.

I get the feeling that you're a Patriots fan, more so than a Cowboys fan because you're hanging one to his jock strap more than anything else.

 

[johnnycomelately]

Dan Marino and Peyton Manning ....better than both Aikman and Brady

 

[ringmaster]

Dan Marino and Peyton Manning ....better than both Aikman and Brady

Yeah in the statistical categories but which is important to you the six SB rings between Brady, and Aikman or the gazillion passing yardage and 5,000 td passes between Marino, and Manning.

Super Bowls, are the deal anything else is a failure.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah in the statistical categories but which is important to you the six SB rings between Brady, and Aikman or the gazillion passing yardage and 5,000 td passes between Marino, and Manning.

Super Bowls, are the deal anything else is a failure.

Then again SB wins are a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

 

[Hostile]

If Brady wins another Super Bowl then he is the clear winner. NE division has improved and watch NE will start to slide.

I don't think him winning another Super Bowl is the criteria at all. Bradshaw won 4 of them but you never hear him mentioned after Montana as the best ever.