Who is willing to accept 40 turnovers by the QB this year?

[Kangaroo]

7 ints, 3 fumbles over four games = 40 screw ups by our QB this year. Could Romo be any worse? Bledsoe usually has been strong early and faded late. What is the problem this year? Maybe our WR's are horrible no talent bums. Maybe our TE's do not understand the game. Maybe JJ and MBIII are clowns.

What do you think?

It's all the oline fault; It has always been the oline fault when it comes to the golden boy named Drew

The same line that sucked in New England with Drew won a few Supper Bowls with Brady

 

[Stautner]

I mean, look at Farves 1 in 34.5 attempts but he is an odds on favorite to be the all time NFL interception king at the seasons end. That ratio doesnt mean he isnt a turnover waiting to happen.

I dont think those ratios mean anything or are relevant in any way.

On the surface, this is pretty ridiculous. It's ridiculous to suggest that a 10 year veteran who throws 1 interception for every 20 passes hasn't been more prone to interceptions than another 10 year veteran that throws 1 interception for every 30 passes. To claim otherwise is like butting your head against a wall and claiming the wall really isn't there. Facts are facts.

As for Favre becoming the all time interception king, are you really so blind as to suggest the number of years he played and number of passes thrown are non-factors - that the total is all that counts?

By your logic if a QB only plays one year and throws 50 interceptions and another QB plays 5 years and throws 51 interceptions, the second guy is more prone to throw interceptions.

How stupid is that?

I will say this, in the case of Favre he strayed WAY away from his average interception ration last season and I can understand there now being a feeling that he may be in a skid.

Now, before someone jumps on me and says that's the same with Bledsoe, remember that has nothing to do with the argument here.

I know how some like to make irrelevent points in an effort to have something to say.

The discussion was about how Bledsoe has rates ALL TIME.

Even so, Bledsoe DID NOT stray dramatically from his norms last year anyway, so the point would be bogus even if it did fit in the discussion.

 

[Stautner]

I tend to have problems with those who read only what they want as opposed to what is trying to be explained.

I see you pulled your foot out long enough to make a weak attempt at a diversion.

Now let's stick to facts. These were your words:

ABQCOWBOY
He is among the higest of any QB in the history of the game where TOs are concerned.

And ........

Bledsoe will probably retire as the most sacked, highest TO ratio QB ever, assuming he plays a few more years.


Those are your words - I didn't make them up.

Unfortunately, you aren't particularly averse to making things up.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I see you pulled your foot out long enough to make a weak attempt at a diversion.

Now let's stick to facts. These were your words:

ABQCOWBOY
He is among the higest of any QB in the history of the game where TOs are concerned.

And ........

Bledsoe will probably retire as the most sacked, highest TO ratio QB ever, assuming he plays a few more years.


Those are your words - I didn't make them up.

Unfortunately, you aren't particularly averse to making things up.

Do you understand that a fumble lost is also a turnover?


He clearly stated "Highest TO ratio" and you keep spouting on about INTS per pass attempt.

 

[EPL0c0]

I started going back and looking at the play-by-play. the number may not be as big as what happens after the turnovers...

The Eagles turned 1 INT into 7pts. 1 Fumble into 3pts. The defense did a good job of saving Bledsoe's ***. But they can't be expected to do that every game.

But despite what comes (or does come) after a Bledsoe mistake, the mistkes do seem to bring the team down, do feed the frustration, do kill morale.

maybe i'm wrong

CowboyL0c0

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see you pulled your foot out long enough to make a weak attempt at a diversion.

Now let's stick to facts. These were your words:

ABQCOWBOY
He is among the higest of any QB in the history of the game where TOs are concerned.

And ........

Bledsoe will probably retire as the most sacked, highest TO ratio QB ever, assuming he plays a few more years.


Those are your words - I didn't make them up.

Unfortunately, you aren't particularly averse to making things up.

OK, well, those words are true. He will end up being one of the most sacked QBs ever. He may very well end up owning the highest TO (Turn Over Ratio) ever. He is already near the top of the TO ratio. Unfortunatly, TO ratio is not the same as INT Ratio.

I guess I just don't see what it is that you have a problem with.

 

[kartr]

Do you understand that a fumble lost is also a turnover?


He clearly stated "Highest TO ratio" and you keep spouting on about INTS per pass attempt.

Does this mean that we have 2 TO's on the team, Terrell Owens and TO Bledsoe.

 

[kartr]

Funny...QC is also an out of work QB with drug problems.

And he's still a better qb than anything we have. He's the only playoff caliber qb we've had since Aikman.

 

[Stautner]

OK, well, those words are true. He will end up being one of the most sacked QBs ever. He may very well end up owning the highest TO (Turn Over Ratio) ever. He is already near the top of the TO ratio. Unfortunatly, TO ratio is not the same as INT Ratio.

I guess I just don't see what it is that you have a problem with.

I have a problem with you making statements that have no statistical foundation and trying to pass them off as facts.

You have the audacity to claim accuracy even though you have no data to back you up. You expect people to blindly accept your words as fact.

SHOW ME THE NUMBERS. As it stands you have offered ZERO factual basis for your statements.

I, on the other hand, have provided facts that prove you are making false claims, but I'll go further - I'll talk about fumbles even though they are a small factor for QB's (even Bledsoe) compared to interceptions.

Bledsoe has lost 56 fumbles in his career. The impact of an additional 56 turnovers over a 14 year career STILL doesn't put him anywhere among the worst turnover ratios OF ALL TIME.

Even if you assume that he were the only QB in history to EVER lose a fumble, his ratio STILL doesn't sink to the point of being among the worst of ALL TIME.

If you plan to pass your statements off as facts you had better be prepared to back them up. Otherwise be prepared for a steady diet of foot ......

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have a problem with you making statements that have no statistical foundation and trying to pass them off as facts.

SHOW ME THE NUMBERS, otherwise quit claiming you know the facts.

Who knows about sacks ..... you never gave figures - just a statment you expect everyone to blindly accept.

But sure fumbles have to factor in, so let's look at that.

Bledsoe has lost 56 fumbles in his career. The impact of an additional 56 turnovers STILL doesn't put him anywhere among the worst turnover ratios OF ALL TIME.

The frustrating thing for you appears to be that someone wouldn't just accept whatever you say even though you offer ZERO factual basis for it.

If you are going to pass statements off as facts you had better be prepared to back them up. Otherwise be prepared for a steady diet of foot ......

I guess just saying you don't want to discuss that was too much for you huh?

OK, well, whatever man. Just take total amount of Turn Overs and total amount of TDs ( I used complete seasons only). Compare them and it will give you a positive or negative factor. You can do this with any of the players I mentioned.

Nice to see that your too big a man to be drawn into an intelligent discussion as opposed to "How's your foot taste?"

Way do go there Ernie.

 

[Hostile]

And he's still a better qb than anything we have. He's the only playoff caliber qb we've had since Aikman.

The team was playoff caliber, not the QB. Little difference there.

The Cowboys made the playoffs, not Q. Get it?

 

[peplaw06]

I guess just saying you don't want to discuss that was too much for you huh?

OK, well, whatever man. Just take total amount of Turn Overs and total amount of TDs ( I used complete seasons only). Compare them and it will give you a positive or negative factor. You can do this with any of the players I mentioned.

Nice to see that your too big a man to be drawn into an intelligent discussion as opposed to "How's your foot taste?"

Way do go there Ernie.

Sorry ABQ, but you've been drawn into a stats discussion. You should be the one doing the research and posting the numbers if you're going to make claims of superlatives. Unless you want to become the Bill Walton of this board.

So far every qualifier you've put on your original statement has come back to be proven false by Staut's numbers.

 

[Stautner]

I guess just saying you don't want to discuss that was too much for you huh?

OK, well, whatever man. Just take total amount of Turn Overs and total amount of TDs ( I used complete seasons only). Compare them and it will give you a positive or negative factor. You can do this with any of the players I mentioned.

Nice to see that your too big a man to be drawn into an intelligent discussion as opposed to "How's your foot taste?"

Way do go there Ernie.

TD's? You are changing the criteria again?

This was about turnovers, not about TD's.

Man, backpeddling for this long must be quite a workout.

Intelligent discussion is based on reason and facts, not one party making baseless claims and the other timidly saying "I don't care to discuss it" when he catches the fabrication.

The bottom line is that I have facts that prove Bledsoe does not turn the ball over at a pace among the WORST OF ALL TIME - and you have never provided one shred of data to support your claims.

 

[Rampage]

i am willing to accept 40 turnovers cause thats what were gonna get. parcells has to go and take his old,im-mobile qbs with him

 

[Stautner]

i am willing to accept 40 turnovers cause thats what were gonna get. parcells has to go and take his old,im-mobile qbs with him

Willing to accept or forced to accept? Damn, if Bledsoe continues on that pace I may send Jeff Gillooly (sp?) to Dallas to hit him in the knee with a lead pipe.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sorry ABQ, but you've been drawn into a stats discussion. You should be the one doing the research and posting the numbers if you're going to make claims of superlatives. Unless you want to become the Bill Walton of this board.

So far every qualifier you've put on your original statement has come back to be proven false by Staut's numbers.

I've given the numbers. Read the thread. The numbers are there for all to see. I simply explained how they were compiled. There is nothing to be sorry about.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

"Yes, that appears to Mike Winicki--The Utimate Bledsoe Destroyer-- Warming up in the bull-pen. He's notched more victories against Bledsoe apologists than any man on the planet-- I don't think anyone wants to see him enter this fray because it's LIGHTS OUT!"

 

[peplaw06]

I've given the numbers. Read the thread. The numbers are there for all to see. I simply explained how they were compiled. There is nothing to be sorry about.

You mean the post where Plummer had a worse ratio than Bledsoe...? How's that equal the worst ever?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

TD's? You are changing the criteria again?

This was about turnovers, not about TD's.

Man, backpeddling for this long must be quite a workout.

Intelligent discussion is based on reason and facts, not one party making baseless claims and the other timidly saying "I don't care to discuss it" when he catches the fabrication.

The bottom line is that I have facts that prove Bledsoe does not turn the ball over at a pace among the WORST OF ALL TIME - and you have never provided one shred of data to support your claims.

I never said anything about the Worst of all time. You said that.

I have not seen any numbers that you have posted that deal with Turn Over Ratio. If you have posted them and I have missed them, please show me. Not INT Ratios because as we have already discussed, that is not the same as Turn Over ratio.

I will say it again. I am happy to discuss football with you or anybody. I am not interested in an adolescent discussion. Who knows, maybe tomorrow I will be more interested in that. I doubt it but maybe.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

LOL!

Anytime you want to open the choke and pull the cord.