Who would have been considered one of the "Great Ones" if not for....

[jem88]

Damn you.

I logged back in just to see what you posted about Isaac Holt.

Let down.

Hey, just read this, so sorry for the delayed response. My affection for Holt resides in a different area, one where objectivity doesn't necessarily come into play. For me, he's a symbol of the swagger that returned to the team before winning the first Super Bowl under Jimmy Johnson. As he blocked punts, returned an interceptions for a touchdown, called out Mark McMillan, and devastated Robert Drummond, you could just feel the fortunes of the team rising.

Has there ever been a game of such redemption as the Cowboys-Giants in 1991? Poor Ike was having a horror show out there, only to pull off one of the most poignant moments in Cowboys history as he leapt to intercept the Hostetler pass in the endzone. I was close to tears that day.

If anybody could help me make an Ike Holt avatar or signature, I'd be much obliged.

 

[dontpush]

i remember our first nfc championship game in san fran, smith frustrated the hell out of jerry rice...i believe that was his rookie year, also.

 

[VoR]

Kevin Smith.

 

[THUMPER]

There was once a QB named Greg Cook who played for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Bill Walsh once said he was the best prospect he ever coached and his career was ended prematurely.

You are too slow dude, I brought him up on page 3.

 

[Alexander]

You are too slow dude, I brought him up on page 3.

Apologies.

I didn't feel like reading through the entire thread.

 

[Sitting Bull]

Danny White, if not for Dwight Clark...

 

[dontpush]

i brought up kevin smith on page 5, but i think it evens out, cause big e, and bo jackson were on my list, and i know people already mentioned them.

 

[YN1SCOTT]

Dallas' Eric Williams is an obvious one.

CANT BEAT THAT ONE!!!! THE BIG E, from philly

 

[jem88]

The thing about Big E is that (at least as far as I'm concerned) he was one of the great ones. He could've been the best ever but I still think he was an all-time great.

 

[THUMPER]

Apologies.

I didn't feel like reading through the entire thread.

Hey, it's just nice to see someone else old enough to remember him.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Ralph was ruined soon after the trade to Golden State because of a leg or hip injury; before that he was a reliable 17-18 ppg 10 rpg player with a terrific defensive upside. Houston wouldn't have traded him though, but for Lew Lloyd and Mitch Wiggins getting caught up in drugs and becoming unusable as guards.

The biggest tragedies in basketball that I recall are Len Bias and Hank Gaithers.

Len Bias is a good one. I can think of a lot of hoops players this applies too.

How about baseball? Thurmon Munson? It's hard to think of a baseball player.

Golf? Payne Stewart?

 

[CowboyWay]

Hershel Walker no doubt. Had he not gone to the USFL and he had been a feature back for any NFL team, he could have went down as the greatest back of all time.

The guy was a freak of nature.

 

[DiscipleofTuna]

I think I would add Michael Vick from todays NFL. Couple years back I thought he would turn the league on its head. Instead, he had too much structure and injuries have totally messed with his effectiveness.

Rocket Ismail and Desmond Howard were electric players who I thought would be such in the NFl.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

I think I would add Michael Vick from todays NFL. Couple years back I thought he would turn the league on its head. Instead, he had too much structure and injuries have totally messed with his effectiveness.

Rocket Ismail and Desmond Howard were electric players who I thought would be such in the NFl.

The only thing I would bring up with Vick is a lot are in the "I told ya so" category. He can be exciting when he uses those legs but most of us knew he wouldn't make it more than a few years risking that kind of beating every down.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Len Bias is a good one. I can think of a lot of hoops players this applies too.

How about baseball? Thurmon Munson? It's hard to think of a baseball player.

Golf? Payne Stewart?

The most talented baseball player who never made it may be Brien Taylor. Lefthanded pitcher picked #1 overall by the Yankees. Million dollar arm, ten cent head. Just when it looked like he may have figured it out he got in a bar fight, I think it was in N. Carolina, and ripped up his left shoulder.


Golf would have to be Count Yogi, a total fruitcake but man they say he could hit a golf ball, or Moe Norman.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Len Bias is a good one. I can think of a lot of hoops players this applies too.

How about baseball? Thurmon Munson? It's hard to think of a baseball player.

Golf? Payne Stewart?

Thurman was already on the downside of his career when he was killed in '79. His back was going and he had lost his power.

I would suggest Lyman Bostock... a terrific hitter and relatively young when he was shot and killed.

J.R. Richard had become the dominant starter in the NL when we suffered a stroke in 1980.

Cesar Cedeno's legal problems from killing a girl accidentally probably took a great deal of wind out of his career.

Pelle Lindberg in hockey was coming on to be a very, very good goaltender of the Flyers when he died in a tragic car accident.

 

[jem88]

A tragic case of wasted talent in hockey was Brian Fogerty. I'll try to dig up some old articles on him. People truly thought he was the next Wayne Gretzky.

 

[Danny White]

Danny White... if not for "the catch."

 

[Skip]

What an athlete he was.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Thurman was already on the downside of his career when he was killed in '79. His back was going and he had lost his power.

I would suggest Lyman Bostock... a terrific hitter and relatively young when he was shot and killed.

J.R. Richard had become the dominant starter in the NL when we suffered a stroke in 1980.

Cesar Cedeno's legal problems from killing a girl accidentally probably took a great deal of wind out of his career.

Pelle Lindberg in hockey was coming on to be a very, very good goaltender of the Flyers when he died in a tragic car accident.

Munson was on his down side but I thought it was mostly his knees.
I know that he was playing a lot of first base due to his knees.
Thurman never really lost it with the stick he never hit for much power, without looking it up I think his most homers were around 18