Yeagermeister;3853848 said:Sorry I don't classify metal and rock together.
Hostile;3853479 said:She is stunning up close. Yes, I have met her. Used to be friends with her brother, Jimmy.
Yeagermeister;3853848 said:Sorry I don't classify metal and rock together.
CowboyDan;3853880 said:Let me explain the Metallica thing:
Metal Albums:
Garage Days
Kill Em All
Ride the Lightening
Master of Puppets
...And Justice for All
All others released by Metallica are rock albums. See, that was simple.
Stautner;3853896 said:I'm always amazed how specific people want to get. rock, hard rock, metal, heavy metal ......... it's nice to have groupings to help describe a particular rock bands style, but all are still rock.
Stautner;3853896 said:I'm always amazed how specific people want to get. rock, hard rock, metal, heavy metal ......... it's nice to have groupings to help describe a particular rock bands style, but all are still rock.
Yeagermeister;3853897 said:I would agree all of the up to the black album. After that only Death Magnetic comes close to being metal. Just my opinion
Yeagermeister;3853901 said:It's how I classify them and it's my opinion. You see it different and I have no problem with you being wrong. ;-)
Stautner;3853914 said:To each his own I guess. For me, while I understand classifying for description purposes, but I can't see any other way to look at them but as subgroups under the heading of "rock". Rock is the root of all of them.
To me it's similar to country music being comprised of subgroups like bluegrass, western swing, traditional country and outlaw etc .....
To me, favorite "rock band" should be a little more general - Pink Floyd, ZZ Top and Zepplin could be viewed as too rooted in the blues to be rock, Chuuck Berry could be too "pop" to be rock, even though the riffs that led to all the different levels that led to "metal" all started with guys like him. There has to be some acceptance that all these styles aren't stand alone genres.
CowboyDan;3853917 said:Actually......
Rock has deep deep roots in blues. Like all rock.
Metal has heavy heavy influences from classical music and punk. And Metal didn't start with guys like Chuck Berry, it started with guys like Lemmy, Ozzy and Tony Iomi's amazing guitar riffs.
Stautner;3853931 said:Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly etc had influence on those early pioneers.
xout;3851795 said:1. Tool
2. Muse
3. The Beatles
4. Linkin Park
5. 30 Seconds To Mars
Honorable mentions: Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Breaking Benjamin
CowboyDan;3853932 said:learn something new everyday.
Stautner;3854047 said:Did you think those guys evolved from the Kingston Trio and The Andrews Sisters?
Come on, the fact that music evolves from those that came before can't be a new concept for you. "Metal" didn't magically appear. Ozzy didn't just magically appear, Zepplin didn't just magically appear. The Who, The Stones, Page, Blackmore, Clapton, Steppenwolf, The Beatles, Albert King, Freddie King, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, and guys we don't even know.
Where do you think Lemmy, Ozzy and Tony Iommi's originated from? Do you think they just woke up one day and there it was?
Ozzy and Lemmy both credit The Beatles with being early influences. Not sure about Iommi, but his riffs didn't just pop out of the blue. They came from his evelution from his youth listening to clearly much tamer bands and built from there. Went back and found where Iommi lists an English instrumental group and Eric Clapton's early years with John Mayhall as his influences - blues influences, not like Sabbath-like riffs, but they must have helped inspire him to experiment with the guitar.
Do you know where the term "heavy metal" comes from? Steppenwolf's "Born to Be Wild".
CowboyDan;3854062 said:I think it's quite obvious that I know music evolves from those that come before. And yeah, I know Ozzy and Lemmy were influenced by the Beatles. I thought you said they were influenced by "Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly etc had influence on those early pioneers." Confused me a lil' bit there.
Stautner;3853896 said:I'm always amazed how specific people want to get. rock, hard rock, metal, heavy metal ......... it's nice to have groupings to help describe a particular rock bands style, but all are still rock.
Stautner;3853914 said:To each his own I guess. For me, while I understand classifying for description purposes, but I can't see any other way to look at them but as subgroups under the heading of "rock". Rock is the root of all of them.
CowboyDan;3853917 said:Actually......
Rock has deep deep roots in blues. Like all rock.
Metal has heavy heavy influences from classical music and punk. And Metal didn't start with guys like Chuck Berry, it started with guys like Lemmy, Ozzy and Tony Iomi's amazing guitar riffs.
Stautner;3853931 said:I understand rock has deep roots in the blues - as for metal, while today's metal my have roots in some of the people you mentioned, Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly etc had influence on those early pioneers. It's just a progression, and it really can't all be said to come from one place - lots of influences form every genre.
I just thought the idea of this category was more broad, and not intended to exclude, metal, heavy metal, alternative metal, progressive metal, punk, grunge, new wave, garage, glam, hair bands, southern rock, acid, techno, power ballads, indie, Gothic adn on and on and on .......
Stautner;3853896 said:I'm always amazed how specific people want to get. rock, hard rock, metal, heavy metal ......... it's nice to have groupings to help describe a particular rock bands style, but all are still rock.
Royal Laegotti;3854144 said:Yeah when I started this thread I did mean "rock" in the general/broadest sense, or inclusive sense. I guess I should have been more specific. By saying "rock" in the first place it was just easier than saying "rock", "heavy metal", "classic rock", "death metal", "prog rock" and on and on.