CFZ Whose Draft Board do you Trust? McClay’s, the Talking Heads, or Yours?

[JW82]

My honest break down would be McClay for the top 100 players. Dane Brugler after that.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yea, but as long as Jerry is having fun playing junior football guy what more is there? Just be happy he is enjoying his life as a fake GM, cause we ain’t winning anything soon.

Yea, as long as he is sitting at the front of the table , I’m going to be suspect and critical.

 

[CWR]

I trust @Risen Star. He's the only one who knew how great Wentz would be.

 

[Jarntt]

Everyone including McClay/whomever makes the final call makes mistakes and our 2nd round history shows that. Also, it's not always about the scouting but the draft day management - trading up or down depending on how badly you like or dislike what's on the board, taking guys at the appropriate time, forcing need over your scouts BPA, ignoring needs completely, etc

Why have a message board where you give your opinions if you aren't allowed to have them? Disagreeing with a pick doesn't mean one thinks they know more than McClay. We at times disagree wit play calling and point out poor throws or mental mistakes during games. That doesn't mean we think we know more in general than those coaches/players and oftentimes fans are proven right. The whole idea of not being able to question draft picks seems as closed minded and "unobjective" as flat out complaining about every draft pick no matter who it is. The extremes are always annoying on both sides IMO. Nothing wrong with saying you like/don't like a pick

 

[Trajan]

Yea, as long as he is sitting at the front of the table , I’m going to be suspect and critical.

I noticed a couple 12 year old looking kids at the draft table yesterday. Honestly, it is just a joke. What other teams have the owners kids in the draft room ? What advice are they giving ? Imagine being Mclay, a profession watching the nepotism and incompetence of the Jones Bros, must be infuriating !

 

[Diehardblues]

Everyone including McClay/whomever makes the final call makes mistakes and our 2nd round history shows that. Also, it's not always about the scouting but the draft day management - trading up or down depending on how badly you like or dislike what's on the board, taking guys at the appropriate time, forcing need over your scouts BPA, ignoring needs completely, etc

Why have a message board where you give your opinions if you aren't allowed to have them? Disagreeing with a pick doesn't mean one thinks they know more than McClay. We at times disagree wit play calling and point out poor throws or mental mistakes during games. That doesn't mean we think we know more in general than those coaches/players and oftentimes fans are proven right. The whole idea of not being able to question draft picks seems as closed minded and "unobjective" as flat out complaining about every draft pick no matter who it is. The extremes are always annoying on both sides IMO. Nothing wrong with saying you like/don't like a pick

Well said.

Too many fans are like the ones at the draft. Just cheering to be cheering.

I’m more critical of us not seeming to want to move up or down to get the guys we want instead of sitting pat waiting to be out maneuvered.

 

[Diehardblues]

I noticed a couple 12 year old looking kids at the draft table yesterday. Honestly, it is just a joke. What other teams have the owners kids in the draft room ? What advice are they giving ? Imagine being Mclay, a profession watching the nepotism and incompetence of the Jones Bros, must be infuriating !

It’s all Pomp and Circumstance for Jethro and Jone$ cartel. And why we all should be suspect and critical.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

People have screamed for a stud DT for years, we finally pick one and they are up in arms.

The TE pick is really kind of a head scratcher. He is a blocker that has some skills, mainly speed and can get separation, but in the same breath they all say he gets no YAC and he really doesn't go up after the ball. So basically he needs a QB that can put the ball right where it needs to be. Does that sound like Dak is the right QB for him? And no one had him going in the range he did. So yes, it is fair to question the pick.

The LB fits a need and does seem to be an ascending player that fits what we are doing on D.

So two picks at least make sense, while one just doesn't really do much for the team outside of maybe being the best blocking TE on the team.

 

[75boyz]

Everyone including McClay/whomever makes the final call makes mistakes and our 2nd round history shows that. Also, it's not always about the scouting but the draft day management - trading up or down depending on how badly you like or dislike what's on the board, taking guys at the appropriate time, forcing need over your scouts BPA, ignoring needs completely, etc

Why have a message board where you give your opinions if you aren't allowed to have them? Disagreeing with a pick doesn't mean one thinks they know more than McClay. We at times disagree wit play calling and point out poor throws or mental mistakes during games. That doesn't mean we think we know more in general than those coaches/players and oftentimes fans are proven right. The whole idea of not being able to question draft picks seems as closed minded and "unobjective" as flat out complaining about every draft pick no matter who it is. The extremes are always annoying on both sides IMO. Nothing wrong with saying you like/don't like a pick

Precisely. Especially the part on why have a message board where you give your opinions if you aren't allowed to have them.
Kudos to you sir.

 

[Motorola]

I noticed a couple 12 year old looking kids at the draft table yesterday. Honestly, it is just a joke. What other teams have the owners kids in the draft room ? What advice are they giving ? Imagine being Mclay, a profession watching the nepotism and incompetence of the Jones Bros, must be infuriating !

I wasn't watching the draft minute by minute the last two nights; but when I did view a couple of other teams' draft room personnel, I didn't see any children present.

 

[CowboysFanKY88]

How many people on here take the time to sit down and watch 150 players. Most people hear a little about each player from a media scout and then throw a fit and act like that’s their guy.

 

[75boyz]

Right. Not only can we critique the picks but we can critique not moving up or down to either get a better pick or more value for our slot.

This notion we must just sit back and cheer is typical for the Homers who can’t handle the critical thinking .

Much like the Bozo fans at the Draft circus cheering just to be cheering. Lol

Great post.
Emphasis on the critical thinking part.
Well done.

 

[SlammedZero]

I, like many, feel disappointed when the pick doesn't move the needle for me. It's an easy trap to fall into. When, in reality, the draft rarely goes the way you want it to. Based off our pretty solid draft history, I do my best to trust McClay and this front office. Of course there are going to be busts. That's life in the NFL. That isn't exclusive to just Dallas. Every team in the league are throwing darts at players and hoping for the best.

So, I do my best to trust the front office and hope most of the picks work out. Only time will tell.

 

[Dalmations202]

My board has been consistently better over the years, but Jerry hasn't hired me yet. LOLOLOL

 

[Bobhaze]

Everyone including McClay/whomever makes the final call makes mistakes and our 2nd round history shows that. Also, it's not always about the scouting but the draft day management - trading up or down depending on how badly you like or dislike what's on the board, taking guys at the appropriate time, forcing need over your scouts BPA, ignoring needs completely, etc

Why have a message board where you give your opinions if you aren't allowed to have them? Disagreeing with a pick doesn't mean one thinks they know more than McClay. We at times disagree wit play calling and point out poor throws or mental mistakes during games. That doesn't mean we think we know more in general than those coaches/players and oftentimes fans are proven right. The whole idea of not being able to question draft picks seems as closed minded and "unobjective" as flat out complaining about every draft pick no matter who it is. The extremes are always annoying on both sides IMO. Nothing wrong with saying you like/don't like a pick

Agree 100% on letting everyone have their opinion about picks. I’m not being critical of anyone questioning our draft picks at all. Opinions are what make this place work. This FO has richly earned any lack of trust our fans may have.

I’m just saying I have more faith in Will McClay’s board than any talking head or draft analyst. This draft could be a disaster or a good one. We just don’t know yet is my opinion.

 

[streetcredit]

if your day job isn't scouting, how can you be screaming mad.... who has time to watch 200 plus players and rank them? Watching highlights and reading draft forums is not scouting,

 

[Jarntt]

Agree 100% on letting everyone have their opinion about picks. I’m not being critical of anyone questioning our draft picks at all. Opinions are what make this place work. This FO has richly earned any lack of trust our fans may have.

I’m just saying I have more faith in Will McClay’s board than any talking head or draft analyst. This draft could be a disaster or a good one. We just don’t know yet is my opinion.

well said

 

[Trajan]

I wasn't watching the draft minute by minute the last two nights; but when I did view a couple of other teams' draft room personnel, I didn't see any children present.

For the 1st pic there were at least 2 kids at the table. It all just a joke to the Jones bros.

 

[Cowboys22]

Its hard to really say because it's obvious to me the Dallas is doing something different than most other teams and everyone that puts out player rankings. It appears to me that Dallas is preselecting a handful of players they like because of scheme fit and pushing them up the draft board so they are at the top when its time to pick. It doesn't matter if better overall players fall and are available because those players are either not on the board or are ranked lower than their prechosen few. There is no other way to explain Mazi at 14 when the entire rest of the universe has him somewhere in the 30-40 range. Doesn't mean he is a bad player or bad pick. What it does mean is if you spend your time looking at prospect rankings floating around the internet then you will most likely be disappointed with Dallas' picks. There dont rank the best 350 players like everyone else and and then stick to the board. This is just like when the draft boards leaked many years ago and a quick look at them showed that they ranked OL 1-2 rounds lower than where they were actually taken and that is why they went all those years without ever drafting OL. They changed their OL grading and started drafting them. If you are going to rank players similarly to all the internet lists and then stick to your board, then what do you need to have scouts for? Just compile your favorite lists and stick with them.

 

[CouchCoach]

Not fair, I do not know McClay's board and I didn't do one.

McClay was faced with a major change at OC in assembling his board. The new OC wants to run the ball more and one thing run teams have to do is stop the run so clogging up the middle became a priority.

His new OC will want to run more 12 sets and since Ferguson and Hendershoot seem to be more pass catching TE's, the need for a blocking TE was not only met but by one from a run team, the very same team he got his DT from.

Let me ask you a question. When all of these teams go into the draft, what do you think the objective is? Getting the picks right in the right rounds so the talking heads don't call it a reach? Or getting the best player available to meet a specific need?

I do not remember a draft where more players associated with the Cowboys picking were coming off the board. There was a lot of punting on 3rd down being done by many GM's.

Hell, some were talking which RB would they take, nobody was talking about both being gone at 12. Don't these other GM's realize RB's aren't in vogue anymore and they're a dime a dozen?

And what's all of this nonsense about RBs and stopping the run. Don't these GM's know it's all about the passing game? Two don't and they were in the NFCCG last season.

It is premature to judge any team's draft, even GB and DET taking two Iowa LB's at 13 and 18, didn't they know they could have waited to pick them? And how dare them be high fiving about those picks.

Drafts take 2-3 years to really evaluate and we still don't know about last year's 3rd rounder, Tolbert, and two 5th rounders, Waletzko and Clark but Bland sure surprised some fans.

Well, your guy didn't get picked and you are pissed. So now you know how McClay feels when he watched his board getting hit.

This draft was special in that there was a lot of misinformation flying around and teams did a great job of springing their surprises. That whole situation with Levis was nuts, some media types were taking the bait hook, line and sinker.