Why all the trade Barber talk?

[BrassCowboy]

I agree that if we reduce his workload, he can be come a better player and could have a longer career.

ok, but will he take a pay cut to do so, if not can we afford to have a 3rd stringer make so much.

 

[Eskimo]

ok, but will he take a pay cut to do so, if not can we afford to have a 3rd stringer make so much.

We can this year since there is no cap.

No one knows about 2011.

For all the talk of trading him, the problem is that he very likely has no trade value.

There's probably a 90% chance he is back next year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

For all the talk of trading him, the problem is that he very likely has no trade value.

Thank you! If we were to trade Barber most fans would be disappointed in what we would get in return.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

ok, but will he take a pay cut to do so, if not can we afford to have a 3rd stringer make so much.

That has yet to be seen. But like I was saying, it's worth paying for a little depth than creating a need where there was no need. It doesn't make sense unless we have someone as good as Barber to rely on.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

LenDale White?

yeah...

 

[Galian Beast]

Because he isn't the player who we resigned that huge contract to, and this is a great opportunity to unload his contract.

Probably won't be able to trade him though. He'll be outright released.

 

[iceberg]

We hear a lot of trade talk about Barber. I just don't see it happening. Here's why.

Barber solidifies the "monster" I don't care what people say about the game and how it has changed with a shift towards high-octane passing, the running-back-by-committee approach still works.

Perhaps the Cowboys use him in the wrong role. And I think his role could be reduced some. But I really just like having all 3 backs. It give us options. The only problem I have is I think we're using the wrong option in the wrong situation. That's something I hope the staff looks at during the off-season. I think we can make this an even more explosive offense than it already is.

But guys like Marion Barber will have to humble himself for this to work. And guys like Marty B will have to step up. I really think he could really help us be one of the better running teams in the league. And while some may say that's not important in today's game, I think it is.

We have a good thing going for us in our running game. I don't have to be AdamJT13 to figure that out. Our ypc averages are through the roof.

Then what happens when Felix goes down and Choice is the only option you've got to lean on? He doesn't strike me as a 30 carries per game kind of guy. He's good, but the NFL has gotten more athletic on defense and we see what happens to most runners if they try to carry to much of the load--they wear down.

Emmitt Smith would target 25-30 yards per game at times. You gotta give it to Emmitt because that can rarely be done with much success in today's game. Most all good teams, even the passing ones, have multiple guys that run the ball well.

Even the Saints did it.

So that is my opinion. However, if someone does get traded (and we know it won't be Felix) then I'm going to be excited to see that guy from USC, who played behind Reggie Bush at USC.

I don't even remember his name.... Someone?

I also believe that we can't afford to waste a draft pick on a RB in this draft. We have too many other needs to fill. And we need to fill in depth behind other areas like defensive tackle and we might need fill in some depth as well along the the offensive line. The cost there is we pay a little more for Barber to have the luxury to fill in depth with talent from the draft. We might even need to even pick up a corner back or two.

But one thing is for sure, why would we need to create another need by trading away depth? That would be stupid.

That just doesn't explain all the talk. Unless we're playing Madden, I'm not sure that trading Barber makes a lot of sense.

because most of the fans doing the talking are all about instant gratification and always in need to trade *someone*.

 

[superonyx]

Why do people keep mentioning trading barber you ask.....

Mostly it is because people always love the unknown. Football fans love the flashy part time players because they think if the guy got more carries that his production would remain the same. It rarely works out that way. We are in a good position of being solid at running back no matter who is in their. Some fans really get upset if a player has a big contract. They always think that the player is getting more playing time due to his contract. How many time have you read on the message boards that both Roy Williams and barber wouldnt be playing as much if they didnt have such a big contract.

I try to put more faith in the coaches. If i believe in a coach then i will believe he is putting the guys on the field that give him the best chance of winning.

The good thing is that we have the luxury to have 3 competent backs.

It wont always be like that. They will all want to get Barber money soon. Then the boys will be forced to pick one.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

There is talk about trading him because we have two running backs that are clearly better than him and the Cowboys are handcuffed by his contract. If not for what he's being paid, he would've been largely a pine rider.

This is the first time I can actually agree with something you've said... Pretty scary I must admit.

 

[Monster Heel]

This is the first time I can actually agree with something you've said... Pretty scary I must admit.

I kid a lot here, but I am actually a fan...

Barber is starting to remind me of Julius Jones. Not stylistically or anything, but in the sense that he's been passed by and everyone except the coaches (actually maybe not that much) and fans holding onto the notion of what he used to be can see it. I mean you can blame this year on injuries all you want, but he was hurt last year too and probably played even worse. A trend is developing.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I kid a lot here, but I am actually a fan...

Barber is starting to remind me of Julius Jones. Not stylistically or anything, but in the sense that he's been passed by and everyone except the coaches (actually maybe not that much) and fans holding onto the notion of what he used to be can see it. I mean you can blame this year on injuries all you want, but he was hurt last year too and probably played even worse. A trend is developing.

Emmitt Smith said that style or running doesn't last long in the NFL, he's right. You've got to know when to take hits and when not to... Barber best days are clearly behind him.

 

[Galian Beast]

With Jones and Choice as primary backs our offense will flourish, and become less one dimensional.

 

[evarc]

We hear a lot of trade talk about Barber. I just don't see it happening. Here's why.

Barber solidifies the "monster" I don't care what people say about the game and how it has changed with a shift towards high-octane passing, the running-back-by-committee approach still works.

Yo are right about the running back by committee but that doesnt mean barber has to be part of that committee. Barber is the weak link and is being paid like a #1. Production shows a considerable drop when he carries the ball. RBs are a dime a dozen and his role on this team could be replace by someone with more production for less money.

Perhaps the Cowboys use him in the wrong role. And I think his role could be reduced some. But I really just like having all 3 backs. It give us options. The only problem I have is I think we're using the wrong option in the wrong situation. That's something I hope the staff looks at during the off-season. I think we can make this an even more explosive offense than it already is.

Why? Why do you wan all 3 of these backs? What have any of them really done to say we would be hurting without them? All three have shown flashes of something special but none of them prove to be a game changer week in and week out. Honestly they are all replaceable but barber is the easiest to replace.

But guys like Marion Barber will have to humble himself for this to work. And guys like Marty B will have to step up. I really think he could really help us be one of the better running teams in the league. And while some may say that's not important in today's game, I think it is.

Running the ball is very important to keep the defense on the filed and tire them out. It is important for setting the TOP battle and is important for field position battles. But what does that have to do with Barber? ANY back can do what he is doing...

We have a good thing going for us in our running game. I don't have to be AdamJT13 to figure that out. Our ypc averages are through the roof.

That doesnt change the fact that Barber is the weakest of the three and he has more time then the other 2. Not to mention gets more money and more carries.

Then what happens when Felix goes down and Choice is the only option you've got to lean on? He doesn't strike me as a 30 carries per game kind of guy. He's good, but the NFL has gotten more athletic on defense and we see what happens to most runners if they try to carry to much of the load--they wear down.

No one is saying to trade brber and not pick someone le up to fil his role. any 2nd or even third string rb could fill this guys role. He is nothing special.

Emmitt Smith would target 25-30 yards per game at times. You gotta give it to Emmitt because that can rarely be done with much success in today's game. Most all good teams, even the passing ones, have multiple guys that run the ball well

Why are you trying to make it like everyone wants us to trade barber and enter next season with only 2 backs? That is not what anyone is saying! You are trying to make an arguement where there isnt one.

Even the Saints did it.

So that is my opinion. However, if someone does get traded (and we know it won't be Felix) then I'm going to be excited to see that guy from USC, who played behind Reggie Bush at USC.

I don't even remember his name.... Someone?

I dont even understand what you are saying here....

I also believe that we can't afford to waste a draft pick on a RB in this draft. We have too many other needs to fill. And we need to fill in depth behind other areas like defensive tackle and we might need fill in some depth as well along the the offensive line. The cost there is we pay a little more for Barber to have the luxury to fill in depth with talent from the draft. We might even need to even pick up a corner back or two.

WOW! If we trade Barber for a pick how does it hurt us to use that pick on a RB?

But one thing is for sure, why would we need to create another need by trading away depth? That would be stupid.

Its stupid to continue to pay a guy like a #1 work horse when he plays like a girlscout! He is the worst RB on our team and is the highest paid and you say so what we need depth? GIVE ME A BREAK!

That just doesn't explain all the talk. Unless we're playing Madden, I'm not sure that trading Barber makes a lot of sense.

HUH? What does Madden have to do with Barber? Is anyone saying lets trade barber for brady so we have a good backup qb? NO! Trade Barber for a 4th round pick and grab someone who has explosiveness then we can rotate between 3 explosive RBs any of whom can make the big play at any moment. Get any explosive #2 WR to play along side Austin someone who can stretch the field and we are good on offense. We still have to address the Oline because they were a disgrace in that playoff loss but... I dont know dude you dont seem to have a good arguement...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

With Jones and Choice as primary backs our offense will flourish, and become less one dimensional.

If either one of them goes down, then who carries the load? Because if you think either back is suited for carrying 100% of the load for more than a couple of games then you're sorely mistaken.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Yo are right about the running back by committee but that doesnt mean barber has to be part of that committee. Barber is the weak link and is being paid like a #1. Production shows a considerable drop when he carries the ball. RBs are a dime a dozen and his role on this team could be replace by someone with more production for less money.

So who do you suggest fill in the gap in talent Barber would create? How do you suggest we obtain this player?

Why? Why do you wan all 3 of these backs? What have any of them really done to say we would be hurting without them? All three have shown flashes of something special but none of them prove to be a game changer week in and week out. Honestly they are all replaceable but barber is the easiest to replace.

Simple, because when you only carry two and if one gets hurt then you only have one. If you have three good backs then you have two good ones to rely on. When you have a running-back-by-committee approach then you need to have a quality committee. If you have a committee and it doesn't play well then it sort of defeats the purpose of having the committee.

Running the ball is very important to keep the defense on the filed and tire them out. It is important for setting the TOP battle and is important for field position battles. But what does that have to do with Barber? ANY back can do what he is doing...

Any back can do what he's doing? Really? Can you please explain this generalization with facts?

That doesnt change the fact that Barber is the weakest of the three and he has more time then the other 2. Not to mention gets more money and more carries.

That's a matter of opinion. It's a RBBC backfield. I just think he's getting a too few many carries. There is still no reason you have presented to convince me that we're not better off having 3 backs. You haven't even given me reason to consider.

No one is saying to trade brber and not pick someone le up to fil his role. any 2nd or even third string rb could fill this guys role. He is nothing special.

So most teams have a 2nd or even 3rd back who is just as good as Barber? Explain.

Why are you trying to make it like everyone wants us to trade barber and enter next season with only 2 backs? That is not what anyone is saying! You are trying to make an arguement where there isnt one.

So you think we should draft one, or sign a FA back? If so, who? And with which draft pick? Because I think we're better off saving our draft picks and filling need positions, particularly establishing quality depth.

What exactly are you saying?

I dont even understand what you are saying here....

I was saying, if you cared to read it, that since there is so much talk then there must be a possibility that Barber gets traded. I said if he does indeed get traded that I'd like to see Lendale White, who I believe is a member of our practice squad.

WOW! If we trade Barber for a pick how does it hurt us to use that pick on a RB?

Which pick? Who do we get with this pick? Does it improve our team and fill a need or does it create a need by trading away Barber? We don't need a player at any position in particular. I think we're better served drafting for depth.

Its stupid to continue to pay a guy like a #1 work horse when he plays like a girlscout! He is the worst RB on our team and is the highest paid and you say so what we need depth? GIVE ME A BREAK!

A girl scout? Wow, you're really doing some intense arguing here. And I wouldn't call him the worst. I think all of our backs have their own strength. I've already said I'd like to see MBIII in a reduced role, but you didn't seem to catch that part. Besides, it's an uncapped year. Why not pay for the quality?

It's not like we're rolling with the budget of the Bills.

HUH? What does Madden have to do with Barber? Is anyone saying lets trade barber for brady so we have a good backup qb? NO! Trade Barber for a 4th round pick and grab someone who has explosiveness then we can rotate between 3 explosive RBs any of whom can make the big play at any moment. Get any explosive #2 WR to play along side Austin someone who can stretch the field and we are good on offense. We still have to address the Oline because they were a disgrace in that playoff loss but... I dont know dude you dont seem to have a good arguement...

OK, dude. I'm just curious who you think these people are who are going to fill in and play as well as Marion Barber.... And who is this number 2 you speak of? He sure does have big shoes to fill. I mean, you want us to draft an explosive rookie receiver and you want him to just come in and light it up. And you're not really addressing the O-line. So I guess that's where I came up with the reference to Madden. It doesn't seem like you people really have the whole picture painted yet.

Oh, and it's argument--no "e".

 

[jobberone]

There was nothing wrong with his running before the injury. Afterwards he improved but still wasn't back to his preinjury form. I don't know why people don't see that.

OTOH, it could be that he will never be the same afterwards. I don't see that happening based on what most quad injuries are like. But I suppose he could have had a worse injury than was thought. Sometimes there is a grade IV tear that leaves a significant defect. I've never worked on professional football players just hockey. And I've never seen a bad quad tear. So I don't know for certain how a grade IV tear would do in a pro player. And I suspect, having said all that, he didn't have that significant a tear. I think we'd have heard more were it that bad.

My educated guess, and I emphasize guess, is that he will gradually increase his functionality over the 18 months post injury with most of the increase over the first 12 months.

They should be, and I'd bet they are, monitoring both legs/thighs for strength and stamina. You cannot rehab one limb with an athlete. They will get unbalanced quickly. So they should have an idea just how functional he is although that doesn't completely translate onto the field.

That's a long winded way of saying it may be too soon to pass judgment.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

There was nothing wrong with his running before the injury. Afterwards he improved but still wasn't back to his preinjury form. I don't know why people don't see that.

OTOH, it could be that he will never be the same afterwards. I don't see that happening based on what most quad injuries are like. But I suppose he could have had a worse injury than was thought. Sometimes there is a grade IV tear that leaves a significant defect. I've never worked on professional football players just hockey. And I've never seen a bad quad tear. So I don't know for certain how a grade IV tear would do in a pro player. And I suspect, having said all that, he didn't have that significant a tear. I think we'd have heard more were it that bad.

My educated guess, and I emphasize guess, is that he will gradually increase his functionality over the 18 months post injury with most of the increase over the first 12 months.

They should be, and I'd bet they are, monitoring both legs/thighs for strength and stamina. You cannot rehab one limb with an athlete. They will get unbalanced quickly. So they should have an idea just how functional he is although that doesn't completely translate onto the field.

That's a long winded way of saying it may be too soon to pass judgment.

I agree, which is why I think he should play a reduced role rather than to trade him for feathers. I think he can still contribute and I think we can still be a strong running team with him taking the back seat to a the new guys.

I'm not saying his role should be the same as last year. I'm saying Barber should still be a Cowboy. He's one of us. We should treat him accordingly, not like someone we can just trade away for the sake trading out of boredom and lack prudential thought. Some of these posters are just absurd. At least you have your reasons and I have mine, but neither of us have yet stooped to being absurd.

 

[the kid 05]

'Cuz everyone just realized Coakley retired.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Lots of good points already made but it simply comes down to a simple fact. The longer Barber is kept around, the more likely it is that Choice will not be a longterm Cowboy. I think most fans with an ounce of objectivity can see Barber is on the decline. Can he be useful for a few more years? Sure. Would it be better to have Choice splitting carries with Jones and keep that duo together for the next 5-7 years? Absolutely! If Barber is kept this year, the RB position will remain a strength but his trade value may evaporate if he even has any left at this point. I think Jones and Choice can hold down the RB spot very well and a 2nd-4th round rookie RB that can also return kicks can man the 3rd RB spot. If you can get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him, I say do it while you still can and you have good players to take his spot.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

MOney, and the simple fact that Barber is not the same. I have been saying this for 2yrs now, Barber's style has caught up to him, this was confirmed on friday by Robert Jones a former Cowboys LB from the 3 SBs, he stated the same things I have said about Barber and what I said happened to Roy Williams the SS, all the hard hits takes, or has taken a toll on Barber's body after 3yrs of banging like he did it caught up to him.

I think barber is still effective. in fact he has been our most consistent RB over the past two years. I don't trust FJ yet, mainly because he has been in the league 2 years and has been injured both years. yes, barber has been injured too and that only means we need both of them.

secondly everyone keeps saying barber is going to make 8 mill. that's not the case. that would be his salary cap hit. his salary is less than 4 mill. palatable for this day and age.

despite sharing the load, missing a couple of games and injury issues he was 17th in the league in rushing.

I also don't trust choice and like him in the role he is now. take away one run a 67 yarder against the hapless raiders (in a game where he rushed three times for 1, 2 and 67) and his average is the same as barbers'

I don't mind barber going back to the closer role and for us to increase FJ's carries and have him start. I think that works best for us.