Why all the trade Barber talk?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I am the OP. And you still haven't shown me squat. You keep bringing up money, which isn't an issue. It's an uncapped year, genius. And you keep using vague terms like "needs to be looked at", yet you haven't offered any viable options as to what needs to be done after the o-line is "looked at".

Additionally, in regards to the OP (which is me), you still haven't comprehended that the OP stated that perhaps Barber should take on a reduced role.

Conclusion, it seems your comprehension and reading ability needs to be looked at.

uhh...he did offer options. one was a player with a bad rap from college who he thinks is like jacobs...he wants to trade barber and get a 4th and he is gauranting us that dixon will be there for us to take.

then he wants marshall, the baby TO.

he wants to go back to two years ago. I think he likes soap opera

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

uhh...he did offer options. one was a player with a bad rap from college who he thinks is like jacobs...he wants to trade barber and get a 4th and he is gauranting us that dixon will be there for us to take.

then he wants marshall, the baby TO.

he wants to go back to two years ago. I think he likes soap opera

Not realistic options for the team we have now. None of his options will take place in reality. That's what I'm saying. It's all fantasy to him.

 

[evarc]

WOW....just WOW....just look at the OL? the crappy OL? that OL needs replaced in 4 out of 5 positions. the only one I would keep is Bigg. do you realize that everyone on that OL is going to be over 31? yet you want to take a LB!!! when we took 3 of them last year? are you kidding me?

no one here claims all is well.....you are acting as if all is bad. the truth is somewhere in the middle. the running game works fine, yet you are intent on replacing one of them and creating a need when there isn't one. you think everybody else is got their head in the ground like an ostrich and you are the only one who knows (and says) barber sucks. yet you want to pull a trade and get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him....maybe its your head that's in the ground.

you failed to produce any real factual evidence that barber is bad. other than your opinion. well then again I guess your opinion is the bible and we should all just bow to it.

and btrw, who said we should be drafting back ups? can you please show me hte line that states that....I don't get where you are just making stuff up now.

Do you understand the amount of money wraped up in the Oline? Yes it is uncapped but Jerry isnt gonna waste all that money. To think that just because it is a uncapped year we can keep players who arent living up to their contracts is stupid. To think that we could go out tomorrow and replace our entire Oline because Barber cant run behind them is stupid.
It isnt easy to find studs on the Oline. It is something that takes time and money. Just because it is uncapped means nothing. If a player is playing below their expectations ala Barber and Williams that doesnt mean that we should keep them.
If you reduce Barbers role he is still being paid like a top ten rb and is contributiing even less to the team. RBs come a dime a dozen and are easy to replace... Especialy one of Barbers level or lack there of.
You can look at the stats and see that Barber is the worst RB of the three. I dont care how you word it. You can blame it on the Oline all you want but the fact is that all our RBs have run behind the same Oline. Free is a great player and is a good start for this Oline. If we can trade Colombo away and pick up more peices then we could be in the right direction but to put all of barbers failures on the oline is crazy seeing as Jones and choice put up great numbers in their limited roles and played behind the same line.

 

[evarc]

Yes the Oline is bad but so is Roy Williams and so is Marion Barbie. There are several holes on this team. Barber amoung others who are overpaid and outplayed by their backups are a waste of money and a waste of space on this roster and should be traded why they still have any kind of value.
Doe the Oline need work? Absolutely! But you cant ignore the fact that Barber has been out played by every other RB on this team. He is often injured as well. He cant pick up the short yardage and you cant blame it all on the Oline. You cant take away choices biggest gain of the year because it did hapen! Thats like saying lets take Miles biggest play of the year away and see how good he realy is.
Fact is if you look at the stats Barber has been out played by his backups. If he can draw a pick where we can grab a guy that could provide what Barber is supposed to be providing us then do it. Why hold on to a declining player just becaus we think he might turn it around. He has had two years as has Roy Williams to prove himself and they both blew it.

 

[jay cee]

Because it is the off season and every off season we have one player who absolutely needs to be traded and it is Barber's turn because of injuries and the progress of Choice.

Last year it was Anthony Spencer who was traded all the time.

Thanks, that's about the best reason that I have heard.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not realistic options for the team we have now. None of his options will take place in reality. That's what I'm saying. It's all fantasy to him.

couldn't agree more. its the Madden 10 generation fantasy football operation.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Do you understand the amount of money wraped up in the Oline? Yes it is uncapped but Jerry isnt gonna waste all that money. To think that just because it is a uncapped year we can keep players who arent living up to their contracts is stupid. To think that we could go out tomorrow and replace our entire Oline because Barber cant run behind them is stupid.

who said to replace the entire OL. you can draft...isn't that what you proposed earlier? and to think barber can't run behind this over rated OL, with 900 yards and 4.4. yards per carry. he sucks. he truly does.




It isnt easy to find studs on the Oline. It is something that takes time and money. Just because it is uncapped means nothing. If a player is playing below their expectations ala Barber and Williams that doesnt mean that we should keep them.

its easy to find studs for the OL...I just needed to repeat that. do you want me to go over all the OL men err...OL studs we missed on over the past 10 years? do you really want me to give you a list of the studs.....

and you forget we were a final 8 team. we can't just sign players left and right. and lets not forget about players not living up to their contracts like adams, columbo, groude.


If you reduce Barbers role he is still being paid like a top ten rb and is contributiing even less to the team. RBs come a dime a dozen and are easy to replace... Especialy one of Barbers level or lack there of.

you keep talking about his contract being top 10 in the league. what is he making? I think you have no clue.

You can look at the stats and see that Barber is the worst RB of the three. I dont care how you word it. You can blame it on the Oline all you want but the fact is that all our RBs have run behind the same Oline. Free is a great player and is a good start for this Oline. If we can trade Colombo away and pick up more peices then we could be in the right direction but to put all of barbers failures on the oline is crazy seeing as Jones and choice put up great numbers in their limited roles and played behind the same line.

stats tell me barber is actually better than the other two. you choose to look at ypc and take that as the bible for RBs, but deeper look tells us that barber was the most consistent, most reliable and most productive. like I said I don't trust Jones. he is injury prone, even in a very very limited role two years ago he was out for quite sometime with one injury after another. when he goes through one season injury free, I will pass the torch. until then I like insurance.

and from the looks of it, choice took a huge step backwards. take away his longest run and his average drops to 4.4. take away the second largest run and his average is below 4. that alone tells me he may make a big play or two, but when I need to rely on sustained drives, ball control he is not reliable. plus his pass blocking SUCKS. I would rather have romo and barber on the field than Kitna and Choice because choice would get romo killed and then by the 10th game its McGee and Choice and a list of excuses. .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes the Oline is bad but so is Roy Williams and so is Marion Barbie. There are several holes on this team. Barber amoung others who are overpaid and outplayed by their backups are a waste of money and a waste of space on this roster and should be traded why they still have any kind of value.

ok you just contradicted yourself. first you say barber sucks. then you say he has trade value? you can't have both. he either sucks and has no trade value or he is decent and has some trade value.


Doe the Oline need work? Absolutely! But you cant ignore the fact that Barber has been out played by every other RB on this team. He is often injured as well. He cant pick up the short yardage and you cant blame it all on the Oline. You cant take away choices biggest gain of the year because it did hapen! Thats like saying lets take Miles biggest play of the year away and see how good he realy is.

barber has been outplayed by jones but choice isn't close to sniffing his jock strap. and like I said I don't trust Felix "brittle glass" jones. this reminds me of johnny come lately fans when they screamed for Hambrick to start over emmitt because hambrick in limited duty had 5.0 ypc average. they all got their wish. we know the rest of the story. choice is just flavor of the day, grass is greener on the otherside, I-hate-barber-and-I-will-say-anything-to-get-the-other-guy-on-the-field crowd.


Fact is if you look at the stats Barber has been out played by his backups. If he can draw a pick where we can grab a guy that could provide what Barber is supposed to be providing us then do it. Why hold on to a declining player just becaus we think he might turn it around. He has had two years as has Roy Williams to prove himself and they both blew it.

you keep talking about stats. then show me some stats to back up your statement. its all there for you to compile. what stats are you talking about.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Thanks, that's about the best reason that I have heard.

that's the funniest statement I heard....very true. every season there is some player to be hated and anotehr player that;s a sure HOFer and he is being held back.

:laugh2:

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

stats tell me barber is actually better than the other two. you choose to look at ypc and take that as the bible for RBs, but deeper look tells us that barber was the most consistent, most reliable and most productive. like I said I don't trust Jones. he is injury prone, even in a very very limited role two years ago he was out for quite sometime with one injury after another. when he goes through one season injury free, I will pass the torch. until then I like insurance.

and from the looks of it, choice took a huge step backwards. take away his longest run and his average drops to 4.4. take away the second largest run and his average is below 4. that alone tells me he may make a big play or two, but when I need to rely on sustained drives, ball control he is not reliable. plus his pass blocking SUCKS. I would rather have romo and barber on the field than Kitna and Choice because choice would get romo killed and then by the 10th game its McGee and Choice and a list of excuses. .

Class dismissed. Tomorrow is a special day. We'll be meeting by the turtle pond and having class there. Don't forget to bring your favorite lesson learned this year.

:laugh2:

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Just to clarify for some. This is an uncapped year and Jerry Jones has money coming out of his pie hole.

 

[evarc]

stats tell me barber is actually better than the other two. you choose to look at ypc and take that as the bible for RBs, but deeper look tells us that barber was the most consistent, most reliable and most productive. like I said I don't trust Jones. he is injury prone, even in a very very limited role two years ago he was out for quite sometime with one injury after another. when he goes through one season injury free, I will pass the torch. until then I like insurance.

and from the looks of it, choice took a huge step backwards. take away his longest run and his average drops to 4.4. take away the second largest run and his average is below 4. that alone tells me he may make a big play or two, but when I need to rely on sustained drives, ball control he is not reliable. plus his pass blocking SUCKS. I would rather have romo and barber on the field than Kitna and Choice because choice would get romo killed and then by the 10th game its McGee and Choice and a list of excuses. .

I already showed youthe stats and I am not going through it again. If you want look back at my posts. As far as taking away Choices runs... WHAT? That is about as ******** as your buddy saying we need to draft backups.
Okay so Barber had what 214 Atts? For 932 Yards? Lets see what choice and Jones would have done with that many Atts...
Choice with 214 Atts: 1177 Yards...
Jones with 214 Atts: 1262 Yards...

Any other back on this team would have broke 1000 yards rushing with 214 touches.

 

[2much2soon]

Felix Jones can't be trusted to be the #1 guy because he has been hurt for parts of the last two years.

Sounds reasonable.

Except Barber has also been hurt for parts of the last two years as well, is older, isn't nearly explosive, and runs with a style that almost guarantees he will continue to be hurt in the future.

The coaching staff seems reluctant to move Barber back to the role he was in when earned the big contract.

So why keep a guy around when the odds are against him having the success he once had are growing?

Why not trade him while he still has value and not make the same mistake as with Roy Williams?

The arguments, and their tone, for keeping Barber are eerily similar to the ones used by the Roy Williams fan boys who couldn't see he had lost it.

 

[evarc]

Just to clarify for some. This is an uncapped year and Jerry Jones has money coming out of his pie hole.

Just to clarify to you just because it is uncapped doesnt mean they wont charge the team later like they did when the first cap was implemented... Since you like school so much do some research on your nfl history kid.

 

[evarc]

Felix Jones can't be trusted to be the #1 guy because he has been hurt for parts of the last two years.

Sounds reasonable.

Except Barber has also been hurt for parts of the last two years as well, is older, isn't nearly explosive, and runs with a style that almost guarantees he will continue to be hurt in the future.

The coaching staff seems reluctant to move Barber back to the role he was in when earned the big contract.

So why keep a guy around when the odds are against him having the success he once had are growing?

Why not trade him while he still has value and not make the same mistake as with Roy Williams?

The arguments, and their tone, for keeping Barber are eerily similar to the ones used by the Roy Williams fan boys who couldn't see he had lost it.

Now school is out...

 

[casmith07]

Just to clarify to you just because it is uncapped doesnt mean they wont charge the team later like they did when the first cap was implemented... Since you like school so much do some research on your nfl history kid.

Someone needs to go back to school, because NFL as an acronym should clearly be typed in all capitals.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I already showed youthe stats and I am not going through it again. If you want look back at my posts. As far as taking away Choices runs... WHAT? That is about as ******** as your buddy saying we need to draft backups.
Okay so Barber had what 214 Atts? For 932 Yards? Lets see what choice and Jones would have done with that many Atts...
Choice with 214 Atts: 1177 Yards...
Jones with 214 Atts: 1262 Yards...

Any other back on this team would have broke 1000 yards rushing with 214 touches.

I said we need to draft for depth. You interpreted that as back ups. Yet you want us to draft starters, which rarely happens. Stick that in your historical pipe and smoke it.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Someone needs to go back to school, because NFL as an acronym should clearly be typed in all capitals.

For him it's National Fantasy League.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I already showed youthe stats and I am not going through it again. If you want look back at my posts. As far as taking away Choices runs... WHAT? That is about as ******** as your buddy saying we need to draft backups.
Okay so Barber had what 214 Atts? For 932 Yards? Lets see what choice and Jones would have done with that many Atts...
Choice with 214 Atts: 1177 Yards...
Jones with 214 Atts: 1262 Yards...

Any other back on this team would have broke 1000 yards rushing with 214 touches.

that's the stupidest projection I have seen people always use. so based on this percy harvin had 15 rushes for an average of 9 ypc. based on those then he would have had 1926 yards. why in the heck did they not make him into a RB. yeah kevin faulk of NE had average of 5.4 ypc. that's freaking awsome. if he rushed 200 times instead of 62 he would have easily had a 1000 yards, but tell me if anyone believes kevin faulk is a a good RB in this league.

see my break down of each RB game by game. barber had the longest run from scrimmage in 5 out of 16 games. he also had the highest ypc in 6 out of 16 games. his average was from 2.7 to 7.5, choice 1 to 11 and jones 1 to 13. that alone tells me barber is more consistent and gets the yard, where as jones or choice may get you a yard 3 or 4 times in a row and then break a big one. that doesn't make for a good running attack if you are trying to play ball keep away, drive the field and score consistently.

now, with that said, once jones got healthy, his averages were more steady and he still made big plays. same with barber, when he got healthier he was playing much better. choice was steadily the same, up and down and unreliable.

come one, that's amaturish on your part to make those kind of projections and you just showed your madden expertise. what works in the computer game doesn't translate into the real world. what I saw this year from choice is that he had good games against lesser opponents like KC and Raiders with a few big runs. against tougher opponents and defenses he faded and had in fact worst stats than barber. choice is not reliable.

he may give you a 60 yard run. but then he may go a few runs of 1 or 2 yards. also his long runs came in the wild cat formation and I am not ready to run the wildcat as a standard base offense. from the standard I formation, he was less than average.

again, I am not arguing if FJ is a better RB than barber.

its clear that choice is not a what everyone makes him to be. and again, and again and again and again. I don't trust felix "brittle glass" jones to carry this team for a full season.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Felix Jones can't be trusted to be the #1 guy because he has been hurt for parts of the last two years.

Sounds reasonable.

Except Barber has also been hurt for parts of the last two years as well, is older, isn't nearly explosive, and runs with a style that almost guarantees he will continue to be hurt in the future.

The coaching staff seems reluctant to move Barber back to the role he was in when earned the big contract.

So why keep a guy around when the odds are against him having the success he once had are growing?

Why not trade him while he still has value and not make the same mistake as with Roy Williams?

The arguments, and their tone, for keeping Barber are eerily similar to the ones used by the Roy Williams fan boys who couldn't see he had lost it.

OK, you are not in sales are you? you just knocked barber down to nothing and expect what in return? would you give up a 4th for a RB like him? according to how you described him.