Why all the trade Barber talk?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Because he's had two years of fluke injuries and he's deemed to be washed up, plus his contract is kinda steep...

and who do we have in mind replacing him? FJ has been injured both years as well. I don't trust choice, despite everyone being in love with the guy on the bench because he is flavor of the day.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'll break it down for you:

1. He is declining in ability

2. He is often injured lately

3. He takes away snaps from Felix and Choice

4. He cannot run with power anymore

5. His balance is quite poor

6. His burst is gone

7. His ability to convert in the red zone and short yardage is much below league average

8. He is expensive and becoming moreso each year.

He might hang on one more year here as it is uncapped but the end is nigh for Barber.

FJ has been injured too and I don't trust him carrying us through the full season. I don't quite trust choice and if you take a look at the carries over the year as Barber ad FJ got healtheir choice's carries disappeared.

with our leaky OL we need our RBs to pick up pass rushers and blitzers and CHoice isn't very good at that. he will get romo killed.

also if it ain't broke why fix it? our running game was one of the best in the league, now everyone wants to break it up because of some percieved decline and this and that and money!!! whre in an uncapped year money is no issue. why go into the draft, having the need to draft a RB when you only have 6 picks? what do you think a RB as bad as you say he is will get in draft returns?

and despite all you listed, he was our most consistent running back, still averaged 4.4 yards a carry and still 17th in the league in rushing despite sharing carries.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lots of good points already made but it simply comes down to a simple fact. The longer Barber is kept around, the more likely it is that Choice will not be a longterm Cowboy. I think most fans with an ounce of objectivity can see Barber is on the decline. Can he be useful for a few more years? Sure. Would it be better to have Choice splitting carries with Jones and keep that duo together for the next 5-7 years? Absolutely! If Barber is kept this year, the RB position will remain a strength but his trade value may evaporate if he even has any left at this point. I think Jones and Choice can hold down the RB spot very well and a 2nd-4th round rookie RB that can also return kicks can man the 3rd RB spot. If you can get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him, I say do it while you still can and you have good players to take his spot.

I don't trust choice as yet. he is really bad in pass blocking and underrated aspect of a RB and he is very bad in picking up blitzers. he would get romo killed specially with a leaky OL likes ours.

plus barber was playing great until his hamstring injury. he was still our most consistent RB.

he actually had the longest runs from scrimmage in 5 of 16 games. he outplayed choice in games that FJ was out against the same team. choice isn't all that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I hate these posts about just getting rid of a player without any explanation of how they plan to replace a player that they just got rid of. and for all you and those in your camp that want to cut this player and that player the list is now:

- barber
- roy williams
- ken hamlin
- bobby carpenter
- Spears
- Adams
- columbo
- hurd
- kosier
- groude
- james
- newmann
- columbo
- anderson

our running game was effective. probably the most consistent part of our game. we are in the middle of a superbowl run. people want to get rid of one of the main players and replace him with what?

barber was our most consistent RB.

here is a game by game breakdown for barber, choice and FJ.

now to knock the myth out of all these made up assumptions, stories etc here is some facts and the break down for each game in the season for each RB. I put the averages (YPC) in the paranteses for each rusher per game.

Tampa Bay barber 14 for 79 long of 23 (5.6), jones 6 for 22 long of 19(3.6), choice 2 for 10 long of 7(5)
Giants barber 18 for 124 long of 35 (6.8), jones 7 for 96 long of 56 (13.7), choice 2 for 8 long of 5(4)
Carolina jones 8 for 94 long of 40 (11.8) choice 18 for 82 long of 10(4.5)
Denver barber 11 for 41 long of 11(3.7), Choice 14 for 33 long of 13(2.3).
KC barber 15 for 53 long of 17 (3.5) choice 8 for 92 long of 36 (11.5)
Atlanta , barber 14 for 47 long of 13 (3.4), jones 8 for 37 long of 12(4.6), choice 6 for 31 long of 17(5)
Seattle barber 14 for 53 long of 16 (3.8), jones 8 for 39 long of 11(4.8), choice 5 for 11 long of 5(2.1)
Philly barber 12 for 50 long of 16(4.2), jones 4 for 10 long of 4(2.5), choice 3 for 13 long of 9 (4.1)
Washington barber 20 for 99 long of 17(5), jone 10 for 49 long of 9(4.9), choice 1 for 1 long of 1(1)
Raiders barber 14 for 61 long of 31(4.4), jones 7 for 68 long of 46 (9.7), choice 3 for 67 long of 66(22.3)
Giants barber 15 for 36 long of 8(2.4), jones 6 for 6 long of 7 (1), choice 2 for 3 long of 2(1.5)
San Diego barber 14 for 47 long of 10(3.4), jones 10 for 51 long of 12 (5.1), choice 2 for 11 long of 6 (5.5)
Saints barber 17 for 62 long of 9(3.7), jones 14 for 58 long of 17(4.2), choice 1 for 4
Commanders barber 17 for 63 long of 12(3.7), jones 10 for 58 long of 15(5.8), choice 1 for 1
Eagles barber 14 for 91 long of 32(6.5), jones 15 for 91 long of 49 (6), choice 0 for 0



so what does this show us. the myth is that barber is slow. Although he is not fleet of foot looking at each game assuming the OL in a game against the same defense playing good or bad performed the same for the three RBs on that day,

barber in fact had the longest run from scrimmage in 5 of the 16 games.

he also had the more consistent average ypc for each game, since his average was better than the other 2 in 6 of the 16 games.

choice benefited from a couple of big games. Take away his biggest gain of the year, a 66 yard scamper against the Raiders , which makes him having had 2 other rushes in that game for 1 yard and his season average drops to 4.4.

Choice was also the most incosistant of the group, in some games totally disappearing and not taking advantage of his opportunities. in fact his average ranged from 1 to 11.5, for jones that swing was the same, where he did get some carries but couldn't generate anything. his average ranged from 1 to 13.5. for barber his average ranged from 2.5 to 6.8, showing more consistency through out the season.


I know, I know , you barber haters are going to come back with one of the few excuses below

1- barber gets paid 8 times as much so he should produce at least twice as much...

2- the offensive line played better when barber was in the game because they like him better and they purposely played bad when choice was in the game because he is a loud mouth.

3- barber is injury prone, but then again he missed on game and jones missed 2...and we already established that jones in less time in the league as a back up has missed more games than barber in his 6 years.

4- you will put all your eggs in one basket and point to the SD game that we would have won that game if he would have scored from the one and its all his fault, otherwise Minn would have played us at home and then we already beat NO once and we would have beaten them again and it would be us playing in the superbowl. this is all barber's fault for not making that TD.

 

[zrinkill]

If either one of them goes down, then who carries the load? Because if you think either back is suited for carrying 100% of the load for more than a couple of games then you're sorely mistaken.

I think Choice could definitely ....... Felix I will still have to see him stay healthy a season.

That being said ..... I still do not think you trade Barber.

 

[Eskimo]

FJ has been injured too and I don't trust him carrying us through the full season. I don't quite trust choice and if you take a look at the carries over the year as Barber ad FJ got healtheir choice's carries disappeared.

with our leaky OL we need our RBs to pick up pass rushers and blitzers and CHoice isn't very good at that. he will get romo killed.

also if it ain't broke why fix it? our running game was one of the best in the league, now everyone wants to break it up because of some percieved decline and this and that and money!!! whre in an uncapped year money is no issue. why go into the draft, having the need to draft a RB when you only have 6 picks? what do you think a RB as bad as you say he is will get in draft returns?

and despite all you listed, he was our most consistent running back, still averaged 4.4 yards a carry and still 17th in the league in rushing despite sharing carries.

1. Barber isn't garbage.

2. Barber isn't an upper echelon RB

3. Barber is horrendously overpaid

4. Barber's presence has likely contributed (along with the injuries) to the slowed development of Felix who can be an elite RB.

5. We badly need an explosive RB to slow down the rush to compensate for the OL's troubles in pass protection. Barber cannot provide that threat due to lack of explosiveness but Felix can.

6. Barber is terrible in short yardage.

7. There is no longer much convincing evidence that Barber is better in pass protection than Felix or Choice. Both of the younguns are ready now.

8. There is no RB to push Barber off the roster right now. Given that there is no salary cap this year and no savings to be achieved by cutting him he will likely last one more year on the roster as a backup

9. Barber has no trade value as a mediocre RB with a bad contract.

 

[evarc]

So who do you suggest fill in the gap in talent Barber would create? How do you suggest we obtain this player?


Simple, because when you only carry two and if one gets hurt then you only have one. If you have three good backs then you have two good ones to rely on. When you have a running-back-by-committee approach then you need to have a quality committee. If you have a committee and it doesn't play well then it sort of defeats the purpose of having the committee.



Any back can do what he's doing? Really? Can you please explain this generalization with facts?


That's a matter of opinion. It's a RBBC backfield. I just think he's getting a too few many carries. There is still no reason you have presented to convince me that we're not better off having 3 backs. You haven't even given me reason to consider.


So most teams have a 2nd or even 3rd back who is just as good as Barber? Explain.


So you think we should draft one, or sign a FA back? If so, who? And with which draft pick? Because I think we're better off saving our draft picks and filling need positions, particularly establishing quality depth.

What exactly are you saying?


I was saying, if you cared to read it, that since there is so much talk then there must be a possibility that Barber gets traded. I said if he does indeed get traded that I'd like to see Lendale White, who I believe is a member of our practice squad.


Which pick? Who do we get with this pick? Does it improve our team and fill a need or does it create a need by trading away Barber? We don't need a player at any position in particular. I think we're better served drafting for depth.


A girl scout? Wow, you're really doing some intense arguing here. And I wouldn't call him the worst. I think all of our backs have their own strength. I've already said I'd like to see MBIII in a reduced role, but you didn't seem to catch that part. Besides, it's an uncapped year. Why not pay for the quality?

It's not like we're rolling with the budget of the Bills.




OK, dude. I'm just curious who you think these people are who are going to fill in and play as well as Marion Barber.... And who is this number 2 you speak of? He sure does have big shoes to fill. I mean, you want us to draft an explosive rookie receiver and you want him to just come in and light it up. And you're not really addressing the O-line. So I guess that's where I came up with the reference to Madden. It doesn't seem like you people really have the whole picture painted yet.

Oh, and it's argument--no "e".

Okay first of all we do have needs on this team. They are not glaring but we have needs. We need help in the secondary still. Another CB and Safety would be nice as Newman is getting long in the tooth and Scandrick has yet to prove himself worthy of a starting role. Sensy wants a long term deal and to be honest I dont think we have what we need at FS or SS.
We have needs across the board on the O line. I think Free is the only one we can count on for present and future teams.
We also have a big hole at WR. Roy Williams has had 2 years to get his act together and is still not looking like he is worth the picks or contract it took to get him here. Miles is a great YAC guy but we still need someone to stretch the field. KO may be that guy but who knows. Hurd certainly isnt the guy and Crayton has good hands but he is a slot guy and nothing more. We have issuses at WR wether people want to admit it or not.
Back to defense I think we need to look at ther options at Left End, MILB and SLB.
We lack a true return man on special teams as well...
We are far from the point were we draft for backup roles rather then players to compete with our starters. That is the mistake we made in the 90s and I hope Jerry is not dumb enough to do that again.
As far as Barber goes though... If we can get a 3rd or even 4th round pick for him we could pick up a guy like Anthony Dixon in the draft. He is a big powerful back his game is much like Jacobs. He could provide us with the short yardage TDs and First downs.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

1. Barber isn't garbage.

agreed.

2. Barber isn't an upper echelon RB

agreed

3. Barber is horrendously overpaid

money is not an object at this point. shouldn't be. you evaluate a players value to your team based on his skills, contribution, fit, etc. specially in an uncapped year. plus, this year his salary is slated to be around 4 mill. his cap hit because of bonuses would be 8 mill. but the bonus is already paid.

4. Barber's presence has likely contributed (along with the injuries) to the slowed development of Felix who can be an elite RB.

FJ got injured last year. he slowed his own development. FJ was injured again this year and you could clearly see he didn't have the explosion he needed to be effective for a RB of his type until later in the season. its not barber slowing him down. its FJs injuries slowing him down. and you could see that as FJ got healthier, his carries went up and he was more used in the role we should see him in.

5. We badly need an explosive RB to slow down the rush to compensate for the OL's troubles in pass protection. Barber cannot provide that threat due to lack of explosiveness but Felix can.

barber is very good in pass protection and underrated and not often talked about aspect of a RB, specially if you are passing 50% of the time. not only that he is a very good reciever out of the backfield. plus FJ started to play a more prominent role as he got healthier. in absence of FJ being healthy, barber is the best choice. Plus FJ isn't as good running between the tackles and that's why we resorted to running a lot of draw plays to get FJ the ball more than any team in the league to have lanes in the middle of the line. I bet you next year, there will be a spy on him when we are in pass formation.

6. Barber is terrible in short yardage.

its not all barber. its that our OL is pretty bad even in running game. when the LB or DT is in the backfield at the snap, even FJ wouldn't have a chance. the SD game was a clear example. everyone blamed barber, but it was the OL that failed and failed badly specially Bigg and Groude.

7. There is no longer much convincing evidence that Barber is better in pass protection than Felix or Choice. Both of the younguns are ready now.

barber is heck of a pass blocker. choice is a huge liability.

8. There is no RB to push Barber off the roster right now. Given that there is no salary cap this year and no savings to be achieved by cutting him he will likely last one more year on the roster as a backup

and I don't have a problem with barber here one more year and then gone.

9. Barber has no trade value as a mediocre RB with a bad contract.

bingo. exactly. then why even talk about it. that would mean we get nothing worth of value in return and go into the draft with another need.

despite everything barber was still 17th in the league in rushing. he is above average and he gained his yards ina truly shared load. plus he got injured and it was obvious he got better as the year went on and he got over his injury. the combination works. then why mess with it. why break it up because there is a percieved feeling that barber sucks and that he is nto living up to fans expectations and that choice is better (grass is greener on the otherside).

plus I think we need all three RBs to succeed. I don't trust FJ and I don't trust Barber but I trust the combination to make it through a season.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Okay first of all we do have needs on this team. They are not glaring but we have needs. We need help in the secondary still. Another CB and Safety would be nice as Newman is getting long in the tooth and Scandrick has yet to prove himself worthy of a starting role. Sensy wants a long term deal and to be honest I dont think we have what we need at FS or SS.
We have needs across the board on the O line. I think Free is the only one we can count on for present and future teams.
We also have a big hole at WR. Roy Williams has had 2 years to get his act together and is still not looking like he is worth the picks or contract it took to get him here. Miles is a great YAC guy but we still need someone to stretch the field. KO may be that guy but who knows. Hurd certainly isnt the guy and Crayton has good hands but he is a slot guy and nothing more. We have issuses at WR wether people want to admit it or not.
Back to defense I think we need to look at ther options at Left End, MILB and SLB.
We lack a true return man on special teams as well...
We are far from the point were we draft for backup roles rather then players to compete with our starters. That is the mistake we made in the 90s and I hope Jerry is not dumb enough to do that again.
As far as Barber goes though... If we can get a 3rd or even 4th round pick for him we could pick up a guy like Anthony Dixon in the draft. He is a big powerful back his game is much like Jacobs. He could provide us with the short yardage TDs and First downs.

you must like gambling because you are willing to get rid of a proven player and gamble on an unknown because you feel we can get this guy. is he better than barber? where is the evidence/. and you are proposing to trade a guy and then create a need at RB and then draft one? what purpose does that fill? why create a need then having to go and address the need? as you outlined we have plenty of needs, but getting rid of barber creates another one.

despite everyone's complaints because barber is not living up to their expectations, barber still produced, knows the NFL, knows the team, and we are in the middle of a superbowl run and you are proposing to break up the best working unit on the offense? why?

and lets not forget the lack of OL execution in our short yardage situation. our OL is way way over rated. give me a good OL and this offense will soar all the way to the superbowl, with the current staff.

 

[TNCowboy]

1. Barber isn't garbage.

2. Barber isn't an upper echelon RB

3. Barber is horrendously overpaid

4. Barber's presence has likely contributed (along with the injuries) to the slowed development of Felix who can be an elite RB.

5. We badly need an explosive RB to slow down the rush to compensate for the OL's troubles in pass protection. Barber cannot provide that threat due to lack of explosiveness but Felix can.

6. Barber is terrible in short yardage.

7. There is no longer much convincing evidence that Barber is better in pass protection than Felix or Choice. Both of the younguns are ready now.

8. There is no RB to push Barber off the roster right now. Given that there is no salary cap this year and no savings to be achieved by cutting him he will likely last one more year on the roster as a backup

9. Barber has no trade value as a mediocre RB with a bad contract.

This pretty much closes the thread out. Not much else can be said.

 

[evarc]

I hate these posts about just getting rid of a player without any explanation of how they plan to replace a player that they just got rid of. and for all you and those in your camp that want to cut this player and that player the list is now:

- barber
- roy williams
- ken hamlin
- bobby carpenter
- Spears
- Adams
- columbo
- hurd
- kosier
- groude
- james
- newmann
- columbo
- anderson

1. Barber: Barber is supposed to be a power back but has struggled to pick up the short 1st downs and TDs. Anthony Dixon can be had late 3rd early 4th due t his suspension. He is a VERY big and powerful RB with a Jacobs like game. He could fill that role easily.
2. Roy Williams: Roy Williams could be replaced by someone in house like KO or via trade Brandon Marshal or via the draft Shpiley, Tate, Bryant...
3. Ken Hamlin: Ken could also be replaced via trade as Bob Sanders is said to be on the block or even the draft with a player like Earl Thomas.
4. Bobby Carpenter: He made some good strides this year but if he were to be gone I think e have enough LBs drafted the last few years that they should be able to compete for his spot.
5. Marcus Spears: I like Aaron Kampman! He is a free agent and is a great character guy with a high motor and great leadership skills. Or we could take a shot at Danny Batten in the draft.
6. Sam Hurd: Could be replace with Jesse Holly... Or someone via the draft. Trindon Holliday Comes to mind. He would be a legit return man for us... He is a steal in the 7th or even if we take him a round early. He would be a project at WR but would be a starter right away as a return guy for us.
7. Bradie James: How about Shawne Merriman or someone via the draft
8. Deon Anderson:
a. Stanley Havili, USC
b. Cory Jackson, Maryland
c. John Conner, Kentucky
d. Rashawn Jackson, Virginia
e. Richie Brockel, Boise State

 

[The Realist]

DeMarcus Ware........I wanted Merriman.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

despite everything barber was still 17th in the league in rushing. he is above average and he gained his yards ina truly shared load. plus he got injured and it was obvious he got better as the year went on and he got over his injury. the combination works. then why mess with it. why break it up because there is a percieved feeling that barber sucks and that he is nto living up to fans expectations and that choice is better (grass is greener on the otherside).

plus I think we need all three RBs to succeed. I don't trust FJ and I don't trust Barber but I trust the combination to make it through a season.

You make good points, CFinDC.

 

[evarc]

you must like gambling because you are willing to get rid of a proven player and gamble on an unknown because you feel we can get this guy. is he better than barber? where is the evidence/. and you are proposing to trade a guy and then create a need at RB and then draft one? what purpose does that fill? why create a need then having to go and address the need? as you outlined we have plenty of needs, but getting rid of barber creates another one.

despite everyone's complaints because barber is not living up to their expectations, barber still produced, knows the NFL, knows the team, and we are in the middle of a superbowl run and you are proposing to break up the best working unit on the offense? why?

and lets not forget the lack of OL execution in our short yardage situation. our OL is way way over rated. give me a good OL and this offense will soar all the way to the superbowl, with the current staff.

Dude since taking over the starting role Barber has yet to have an injury free season. He is being paid like a top ten RB and he is playing like the 3rd best on this team. Barber on 214 Attempts has rushed for 932 Yards, 4.4 per carry, His longest of the season was 35 yards... Jones on 116 Attempts had rushed for 685 Yards at 5.9 Per carry, His longest was 56 Yards. And Choice on 64 Attempts most of them were the BS wildcrap offense rushed for 349 Yards at 5.5 per carry his longest came at a 66 yard gain.
Barber is clearly the 3rd best running back on this team and is WELL overpaid. He gets WAY to many snaps!! Barber struggled with gaining the short yardage this season.
Do you suggest we wait till he has 0 value before trying to trade him? Had we traded Roy Williams 3 years ago we may have got something for him.
Barber looked really good when he only had JuJo to compete with and that would make anyone look good. But now that we have true talent on the roster as far as rushing goes Barber is showing what he really is.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dude since taking over the starting role Barber has yet to have an injury free season. He is being paid like a top ten RB and he is playing like the 3rd best on this team. Barber on 214 Attempts has rushed for 932 Yards, 4.4 per carry, His longest of the season was 35 yards... Jones on 116 Attempts had rushed for 685 Yards at 5.9 Per carry, His longest was 56 Yards. And Choice on 64 Attempts most of them were the BS wildcrap offense rushed for 349 Yards at 5.5 per carry his longest came at a 66 yard gain.
Barber is clearly the 3rd best running back on this team and is WELL overpaid. He gets WAY to many snaps!! Barber struggled with gaining the short yardage this season.
Do you suggest we wait till he has 0 value before trying to trade him? Had we traded Roy Williams 3 years ago we may have got something for him.
Barber looked really good when he only had JuJo to compete with and that would make anyone look good. But now that we have true talent on the roster as far as rushing goes Barber is showing what he really is.

money is no issue. specially this year with no salary cap. that's not an argument for anything. if it was a capped year, then you could have a case. It doesn't matter if he was being paid like #1 RB in the league.

since entering the league Jones hasn't had an injury free season. I am not arguing that jones shouldn't be a starter. my concern is that hitory since Jones hasn entered the league and playing in a limited role, he has gotten injured. I am not ready to put all the eggs in FJs basket until he goes through one season injury free. he is more explosive and has higher per carry average than Barber.

Choice's average is way over rated. take away just one of his longest carry and his average drops to 4.4. that's one 66 yard carry against the raiders, in a game where every player had a long run and his other two carries against the raiders went for 1 yard. I also don't trust him in pass blocking and as a pass catcher from the backfield. both important aspects of a RB. choice had worse averages in the same game with barber when FJ was out.

barber is not the 3rd, IMO, he is the 2nd best back. choice is clearly the 3rd best since coaches lost trust in him and he started to lose carries in games as the year went on. but I guess you know better than the coaches.

so you are saying barber sucks. so are you the only one who knows this? other teams don't? what do you expect to get for a RB that sucks? would anyone give up a 3rd or 4th for a RB that sucks? when as you said they can get dixon who is a better back in your opinion in the 4th? and as a RB that sucks I take the 4.4 ypc and the 900 yards.

and btw, the play of the OL had a lot to do with the short yardage situations. even AD would have problems getting 1/2 yard when the DT and LBs are in the back field at the snap and the OL gets pushed back. watch tape and be objective.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

1. Barber: Barber is supposed to be a power back but has struggled to pick up the short 1st downs and TDs. Anthony Dixon can be had late 3rd early 4th due t his suspension. He is a VERY big and powerful RB with a Jacobs like game. He could fill that role easily.

yeah...lets take anthony dixon a guy with character issues. when last year we made such a great effort to clean up this team of characters. what a smart move. btw, jacobs sucks even in short yardage situation. short yardage is more than about a big back. its about the OL getting an initial push, opening a crease so the RB gets through. when the RB is met in the backfield at the snap...there is something wrong with that OL

2. Roy Williams: Roy Williams could be replaced by someone in house like KO or via trade Brandon Marshal or via the draft Shpiley, Tate, Bryant...

see comment about bad characters on the team. now you want to get marshall...the guy they call baby TO. awsome.... and KO is not ready to take over anything. there is a reason he went undrafted same as austin and he is got ways to grow before he can take over. you can't take a sample of 6 catches and project that to a season. I don't like RW, but none of the ones you mention is a viable, proven alternative.


3. Ken Hamlin: Ken could also be replaced via trade as Bob Sanders is said to be on the block or even the draft with a player like Earl Thomas.

I think Ken leaves a lot to be desired. I am all for replacing him. but Bob Sanders injury history worries me. plus I am not sure about sanders coverage ability. he can hit a line like a bullet but I don't know much if he can cover which is what we need in our defense. I think we need to draft one if a good one falls to us.


4. Bobby Carpenter: He made some good strides this year but if he were to be gone I think e have enough LBs drafted the last few years that they should be able to compete for his spot.

I mentioned during the preseason, losing burnette worried me the most. he was awsome in coverage. hopefully jason williams or hodge will come through. because this is as good as bobby gets.

5. Marcus Spears: I like Aaron Kampman! He is a free agent and is a great character guy with a high motor and great leadership skills. Or we could take a shot at Danny Batten in the draft.

I think kapman wants out of GB because he doesn't fit the 3-4. I think spears can get better in pass rush dept. but he was very good against the run and is a servicable DE. in a 3-4 pass rush and sacks from DEs is not a prerequisite as it is for DE in a 4-3. if we keep him I would be happy since it provides continuity unless there is an option like Olshansky available.


6. Sam Hurd: Could be replace with Jesse Holly... Or someone via the draft. Trindon Holliday Comes to mind. He would be a legit return man for us... He is a steal in the 7th or even if we take him a round early. He would be a project at WR but would be a starter right away as a return guy for us.

give me a freaking break!!! Holly!!! Hurd is a special teams demon. he is going to be the 5th or 6th WR and gives you a couple good catches and big plays a year and is perfect for special teams. he won't cost much and I think its critical for special teams continuity.


7. Bradie James: How about Shawne Merriman or someone via the draft

Merriman is an OLB in the 3-4. playing inside is totally different. yes, time to draft the next MLB and get him a year or two. but with so many needs, where does MLB rank? is saftey a higher priority? or LT? RT? guard? CB? its tough choice specially with only 6 picks.
8. Deon Anderson:
a. Stanley Havili, USC
b. Cory Jackson, Maryland
c. John Conner, Kentucky
d. Rashawn Jackson, Virginia
e. Richie Brockel, Boise State

my point was that we shouldn't need to replace everybody. there was a bit of sarcasm intended in the post. I like to replace RW with an impact WR but I am not willing to bet that KO is it. I don't like marshall because of his attitude. I don't trust any of the rookie WR to come in and have any type of impact. in fact more rookie WRs fail than succeed and it normally takes 2-3 years for them to have any impact.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

my point was that we shouldn't need to replace everybody. there was a bit of sarcasm intended in the post. I like to replace RW with an impact WR but I am not willing to bet that KO is it. I don't like marshall because of his attitude. I don't trust any of the rookie WR to come in and have any type of impact. in fact more rookie WRs fail than succeed and it normally takes 2-3 years for them to have any impact.

Oh no.... this is just like Madden. I play it every day, several times a day.

:laugh2:

 

[evarc]

Oh no.... this is just like Madden. I play it every day, several times a day.

:laugh2:

First of all; I never said we SHOULD do any of those moves but rather was showing the OP that there are always options. But people like you and him seem content with failures like Marion the Barbie and with 1 playoff win.
We wouldnt have to go out and change all these positions. We need WR, FS, LB and the entire OLine needs to be LOOKED at. Not revamped but looked at. Players need to be roought in that can compete for those jobs.
We dont need an all is well attituted. We dont need a well its uncapped so whocares if Barber and Williams are a waste of money attitude. We def dont need to be drafting for the sole purpose of backups! That is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard! Dont draft a player good enough to challenge our starters!!!! NO!!! Just draft someone who can be his back up!!!!

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

First of all; I never said we SHOULD do any of those moves but rather was showing the OP that there are always options. But people like you and him seem content with failures like Marion the Barbie and with 1 playoff win.
We wouldnt have to go out and change all these positions. We need WR, FS, LB and the entire OLine needs to be LOOKED at. Not revamped but looked at. Players need to be roought in that can compete for those jobs.
We dont need an all is well attituted. We dont need a well its uncapped so whocares if Barber and Williams are a waste of money attitude. We def dont need to be drafting for the sole purpose of backups! That is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard! Dont draft a player good enough to challenge our starters!!!! NO!!! Just draft someone who can be his back up!!!!

I am the OP. And you still haven't shown me squat. You keep bringing up money, which isn't an issue. It's an uncapped year, genius. And you keep using vague terms like "needs to be looked at", yet you haven't offered any viable options as to what needs to be done after the o-line is "looked at".

Additionally, in regards to the OP (which is me), you still haven't comprehended that the OP stated that perhaps Barber should take on a reduced role.

Conclusion, it seems your comprehension and reading ability needs to be looked at.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

First of all; I never said we SHOULD do any of those moves but rather was showing the OP that there are always options. But people like you and him seem content with failures like Marion the Barbie and with 1 playoff win.
We wouldnt have to go out and change all these positions. We need WR, FS, LB and the entire OLine needs to be LOOKED at. Not revamped but looked at. Players need to be roought in that can compete for those jobs.
We dont need an all is well attituted. We dont need a well its uncapped so whocares if Barber and Williams are a waste of money attitude. We def dont need to be drafting for the sole purpose of backups! That is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard! Dont draft a player good enough to challenge our starters!!!! NO!!! Just draft someone who can be his back up!!!!

WOW....just WOW....just look at the OL? the crappy OL? that OL needs replaced in 4 out of 5 positions. the only one I would keep is Bigg. do you realize that everyone on that OL is going to be over 31? yet you want to take a LB!!! when we took 3 of them last year? are you kidding me?

no one here claims all is well.....you are acting as if all is bad. the truth is somewhere in the middle. the running game works fine, yet you are intent on replacing one of them and creating a need when there isn't one. you think everybody else is got their head in the ground like an ostrich and you are the only one who knows (and says) barber sucks. yet you want to pull a trade and get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him....maybe its your head that's in the ground.

you failed to produce any real factual evidence that barber is bad. other than your opinion. well then again I guess your opinion is the bible and we should all just bow to it.

and btrw, who said we should be drafting back ups? can you please show me hte line that states that....I don't get where you are just making stuff up now.