Why are people getting all bent out of shape regarding coaching hire?

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Some in the local media wanted the Cowboys to hire Reid when he got fired. I think Jerry thought McCarthy could have been like Andy was for KC.
And he might well have been w/ the best QB in the NFL and quality draft picks. Reid and his org let Tyreek walk, that's how you win.
 

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Seriously, though, what are they thinking here?

If not Kellen, at least hire someone with a history of success. I would guess Moore is much better now that he's been with a couple other teams, learning different things with different offenses.

Shotty just hasn't been that good; hasn't really stuck out here. I can't believe we let DQ walk. I wouldn't have been mad if the Cowboys had fired McCarthy to replace him with Quinn.

Let it be remembered. McCarthy didn't have much success without Quinn here.
I was listening to the Break where they talked about both of them. None of the hosts, who are around these guys, think Moore has the presence to be the HC while they see that in Schottenheimer. We've also see plenty of hotshot assistants fail. Much more to being an HC than just X's and O's.
 

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You can call his journey nepotism if you want, but if he is hired, it has nothing to do with nepotism. He isn't under consideration because he's Marty's son.
Marty got him a job with the organization because he helped McCarthy out when he first started. It is what it is. Dad got him in the front door and he probably would be out of the NFL if his name was Brian Broaddus.
 

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Reading is fundamental, but writing is not: "But at the end of the day, hire whomever for all I care. I'll still watch and see what happens."
The point I am making is no one know who will success or not. Shoot, biggest odds are that no one will succeed as long as JJ is here. I'm not going to lose any sleep on who they hire because I don't know anyone from anything. And neither does anyone else.
 

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I mean, we pretty much have no clue how things will work out either way. Hot shot assistant? No clue. College coach? No clue. Safe retread? No clue. Old legendary coach? No clue. Pay a first for coach that has won before. No clue.

I mean, Andy Reid was kicked out of Philly and now he's a legend I guess. Did anyone know anything about Sean McWay before the Rams hired him? Okay, I'm sure some of you did. But that is no different from all the other hot shots that tried and failed.

So if you want to complain about JJ because he's the common thread here, okay. But no one knows anything at all about which coach will work or not. And if you think no coach will work, I guess that's fair too. But at the end of the day, hire whomever for all I care. I'll still watch and see what happens.
what we do have a clue about though, is that Dallas has gone 30 years without being in a championship game. We pretty much know how things will work out. what we want is a coach who has some clout. failing that it will be same ol' same ol.
 

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I mean, we pretty much have no clue how things will work out either way. Hot shot assistant? No clue. College coach? No clue. Safe retread? No clue. Old legendary coach? No clue. Pay a first for coach that has won before. No clue.

I mean, Andy Reid was kicked out of Philly and now he's a legend I guess. Did anyone know anything about Sean McWay before the Rams hired him? Okay, I'm sure some of you did. But that is no different from all the other hot shots that tried and failed.

So if you want to complain about JJ because he's the common thread here, okay. But no one knows anything at all about which coach will work or not. And if you think no coach will work, I guess that's fair too. But at the end of the day, hire whomever for all I care. I'll still watch and see what happens.
This is pretty much a “don’t hate the player (Schotty), hate the game (played by Jerry)” scenario.

The issue the general fanbase has is that this potential hire from within, for comfort and possible financial savings, without aggressively pursuing other highly sought-after candidates, is part of the very predictable Jones modus operandi.

You are now a fan of the team having the longest drought in regard to NOT playing in a NFCCCG. That must tell you something. By Jerry wearing his blinders throughout this hiring process, he’s demonstrating that to him, change is not a good thing. It reminds fans that they shouldn’t get excited about free agency, and that they should prepare themselves for the inevitable, “we don’t have any money”, excuses that will be coming from the Jones camp.

You’re right in stating who knows what some of these unproven coaches may bring. It is to some degree a guess, but I would consider them educated guesses. As for Jerry, he needs to realize that his methodologies have faults and be willing to step outside of his comfort zone and consider doing something, anything, different for once.

Based on resume, I’d say Schotty isn’t the guy but could surprise everyone by somehow stumble-farting his way to success. You’re right – who knows? Still, the Jones’ owed it to the organization and the fans to launch a Desert Strom type offensive to procure the next head coach of America’s Team. They haven’t and have once again opened the door for people to ask, “How much do you really care about winning?”
 

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dont worry about it

false sense of hope you are providing...but thanks
It's possible I missed something, but I went back through the last 3 pages of Kellen Moore topics and didn't see a single post from you...


https://cowboyszone.com/threads/bobby-belt-on-105-3-talking-up-km.531899/
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mic...-an-option-for-the-jags.532014/#post-14028249
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mac...to-become-the-next-cowboys-head-coach.531906/
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-request-to-speak-with-kellen-moore.531697/

If you have something you'd like to actually share and discuss that's what I'm here for. I've tried to do the work and find the posts you're talking about, but it looks more and more like you're full of ****.

Are you serious about having good info on here about Moore or should I just assume you're a troll?
 

kskboys

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It's possible I missed something, but I went back through the last 3 pages of Kellen Moore topics and didn't see a single post from you...


https://cowboyszone.com/threads/bobby-belt-on-105-3-talking-up-km.531899/
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mic...-an-option-for-the-jags.532014/#post-14028249
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mac...to-become-the-next-cowboys-head-coach.531906/
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-request-to-speak-with-kellen-moore.531697/

If you have something you'd like to actually share and discuss that's what I'm here for. I've tried to do the work and find the posts you're talking about, but it looks more and more like you're full of ****.

Are you serious about having good info on here about Moore or should I just assume you're a troll?
This. Notice I did not bold the question mark!!!!

This guy has been spouting nonsense all day. Incorrect info about the super bowl winning Cowboys, and something about Jerry making the fans money. Nonsensical stuff.
 

kskboys

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its all fake dude

and youre posting in a forum that you are implying is a circus...why? why havent you moved on?

lame

im watching this thing cave on itself...i checked out years ago, which is why this is imploding, it cant grift my head anymore.
That question can only be asked by someone who doesn't understand loyalty and integrity.
 

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This. Notice I did not bold the question mark!!!!

This guy has been spouting nonsense all day. Incorrect info about the super bowl winning Cowboys, and something about Jerry making the fans money. Nonsensical stuff.
Yeah I have no issues if the guy actually wants to have a discussion, but if he has no substance after all the BS he spit out this morning he should be called out whenever he posts.
 

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I mean, we pretty much have no clue how things will work out either way. Hot shot assistant? No clue. College coach? No clue. Safe retread? No clue. Old legendary coach? No clue. Pay a first for coach that has won before. No clue.

I mean, Andy Reid was kicked out of Philly and now he's a legend I guess. Did anyone know anything about Sean McWay before the Rams hired him? Okay, I'm sure some of you did. But that is no different from all the other hot shots that tried and failed.

So if you want to complain about JJ because he's the common thread here, okay. But no one knows anything at all about which coach will work or not. And if you think no coach will work, I guess that's fair too. But at the end of the day, hire whomever for all I care. I'll still watch and see what happens.

My feelings exactly ! Could not have said it better myself . Instead of the “ sky is falling mama “ constant complaints how do we know how the next HC will work out before even one red zone challenge has been met .
 

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Jerry and his kids have screwed up this franchise so bad, it will be in the NFC East basement for years to come. No one that matters wants to come work with Jerry. The players see what's happening and want out too. Expectations for the Cowboys are at an all-time low.
 

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The point I am making is no one know who will success or not. Shoot, biggest odds are that no one will succeed as long as JJ is here. I'm not going to lose any sleep on who they hire because I don't know anyone from anything. And neither does anyone else.
It's a nothing point...we all know that no one "knows"...thus the message board and speculation. The point is that coaching matters and you saying, "I don't care" is a SURRENDER...fine. But speak for yourself...and don't chastise those who won't bend the knee as easily as you.
 

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So, everything you've said there is correct....now can you see why we have to suffer in 2025 (for the longer term good).
A coach that's a 'yes man', a poor roster, with holes in pretty much every area, question marks over the health of our QB and second injury to two of our better defensive players.
There is no way any decent FA will be coming down south whilst this is going on....get the circus started, the sooner we start, the sooner we can shoot the clowns out of the Big Top.
we probably will suffer for a long period. reality is Dak isn't going anywhere. Jerry WILL NOT eat a whole bunch of dead cap. he likes to keep players to the end of their contract regardless of performance and what it means to the team. to him dead cap is paying twice for the same position.(he also hates coaches dead money, that's like paying twice for the coaches to him).

and this team is not devoid of talent like it was during campo years. I mean those years were really bad, so doubt if we see 5-12 seasons, but 7-10 wins is the norm over the next three years and that's good enough for Jerry.

now, having two 7-10 seasons in a row, will make him think. make some token moves. three 7-10 wins in a row, will really turn up the heat on him, but not enough to relinquish anything.

I agree, no sane FA who is looking for championships is going to come to cowboys. only those injured, old and looking for a final pay check.
 

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It's a nothing point...we all know that no one "knows"...thus the message board and speculation. The point is that coaching matters and you saying, "I don't care" is a SURRENDER...fine. But speak for yourself...and don't chastise those who won't bend the knee as easily as you.
I don't care in this case means I don't know anything about who will succeed and who will not. So I don't worry about it.
 

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In the nfl coaching matters more than any other sport. When we had bill parcells he made the playoffs 2 out of 4 years with inferior teams.

A good coach can elevate a team…. Over the years we’ve had talent just awful coaches. How many times has this team looked unprepared and undisciplined over the years. It’s mind boggling. And we just keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

By hiring Schottenheimer yeah it could work out… but by not even considering any of the other big names Jerry is telling you he doesn’t care. He’s either gonna win a title his way or die trying.


Schotty isn’t even on any other teams radar. Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know.
 

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Some in the local media wanted the Cowboys to hire Reid when he got fired. I think Jerry thought McCarthy could have been like Andy was for KC.
Imagine Reid is available and Jerry's still clinging to Jason Garrett at the time. Comic gold here. This hire is just more of the same garbage we've grown accustomed to.
 

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It's always been more about the failure and unclutchness of the players at critical junctures in each and every big LOSS who must not be taking direction well from the coaches. So, we blame the coaches. But, the players look in the mirror and "THEY KNOW! DAMN U! YOU KNOW...DON'T YOU! YOU CHOKED!". Sorry.
 

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It's the joke that people are pointing out. I haven't seen many bent out of shape as much as everyone pointing out how this ridiculous coach search has become just a part of the circus this clown/owner likes.

While other teams locked in and lick up their pick, the clown is still running around trying to find anybody who will agree to be the puppet when he pulls the strings.

It's the joke of it all
 
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