Why are people getting all bent out of shape regarding coaching hire?

[Rodney308]

I mean, we pretty much have no clue how things will work out either way. Hot shot assistant? No clue. College coach? No clue. Safe retread? No clue. Old legendary coach? No clue. Pay a first for coach that has won before. No clue.

I mean, Andy Reid was kicked out of Philly and now he's a legend I guess. Did anyone know anything about Sean McWay before the Rams hired him? Okay, I'm sure some of you did. But that is no different from all the other hot shots that tried and failed.

So if you want to complain about JJ because he's the common thread here, okay. But no one knows anything at all about which coach will work or not. And if you think no coach will work, I guess that's fair too. But at the end of the day, hire whomever for all I care. I'll still watch and see what happens.

Perhaps it’s not the coach we’re complaining about. Perhaps, it’s the sham of a search for the most qualified coach. You can’t tell me that Brian Schottenheimer is the most qualified available coach. Finally, if you prefer not to read people’s complaints, a discussion board is most likely not the place for you. How ironic: you complain about us complaining!

 

[DallasEast]

Perhaps, it’s the sham of a search for the most qualified coach.

 

[Pass2Run]

In 14 years as an offensive coordinator, Schottenheimer's offenses only ranked in the top 10 in total offense twice and were only top 10 in scoring five times. One of those years was in 2023 with the Cowboys, in which McCarthy was the one calling plays, with Dallas ranking fifth in total offense and first in scoring.

That it is a signals to the fan base that the Cowboys seemingly have zero interest in truly competing for a Super Bowl. If that were the case, they would have made it through the decision process.

Instead, Dallas interviewed two candidates with below .500 records in their career as head coaches who were subsequently fired, and two candidates with no previous experience at the position. By hiring Schottenheimer, they would be picking the one that was perhaps the least qualified of the bunch.

In other words, unless the Jones family sees something in Schottenheimer that other NFL teams haven't seen in the last 27 years, he is not the right choice to lead the franchise.

(Credit SI: https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/hiring-brian-schottenheimer-would-spell-disaster-dallas-cowboys)

Seriously, though, what are they thinking here?

If not Kellen, at least hire someone with a history of success. I would guess Moore is much better now that he's been with a couple other teams, learning different things with different offenses.

Shotty just hasn't been that good; hasn't really stuck out here. I can't believe we let DQ walk. I wouldn't have been mad if the Cowboys had fired McCarthy to replace him with Quinn.

Let it be remembered. McCarthy didn't have much success without Quinn here.

 

[IceStar-D7]

I'm not going to flip out until I see who the DC is. Not worried about the offense as far as the NFC East goes. Dak pretty much owns every team in the NFC East. I'm more worried about who the DC will be. And what ole Cryptor will do to build it up. Again!!!!!NO DEFENSE!!!!! No Rings!!!!!!

 

[thunderpimp91]

Ok not an apologist............But just because ben johnson is maybe a good OC, how does that qualify him in any way
to be HC and leader of a team??......It doesnt.
Those other HC's wanting to be one again, have already FAILED ! Badly, how many times do you need to see them fail to think
well they just are not HC material?

Deion is just a short time college coach, who is mostly all talk, and has never coached any position in the nfl, so what
qualifies him to just jump to HC in nfl ? If he wins a national champ or 2 then maybe he qualifies.

Shot, no one knows, he may be real bad or real good, or just a ordinary failure, or avg 8-8 guy.
I think though he could maybe outdo JG if he had a good roster.

Right now the roster sucks, and no one knows if jones boys will do anything in FA, and if they dont it doesnt matter who the HC is anyway.

The issue is Ben Johnson had to be a quality coordinator to get his chance. The other guys have failed but failed at actually being a HC. You say Deion needs a national championship to qualify….why doesn’t the same standard exist for schottenheimer? He has less HC experience than Deion. Less success as a coordinator than Ben Johnson. Yes, any of these guys could end up failures in their next job, but I struggle to see where Schottenheimer is at all qualified based on his past experience.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Maybe we reached out to his agent and he said not interested.

if all the top coaches are not interested, then that is a bigger problem than signing a nobody like Schottenheimer

 

[Chasing6]

if all the top coaches are not interested, then that is a bigger problem than signing a nobody like Schottenheimer

I am sure we can come up with a list of who the top coaches were, then compare it to who Jerry actually interviewed(not talked to) and who he eventually hires.

I would bet no other team interviews who Jerry ends up hiring

 

[Chasing6]

You know what, I can see why they would hire him. We are stuck with Dak, so Jerry wasn’t going to blow up the offense and have Dak start learning an entire new offense.
We aren’t winning anything anytime soon so just ride out Dak’s contract, hit on some draft picks and clear cap space. It will be at least 4 or 5 more years before we are ready to contend again anyway.

How are we stuck with Dak, when Jerry was the one that wanted Dak? If anything you are stuck with Jerry.

Why would any real coach want to come to Dallas after hearing about MM being asked to mentor Witten for 2 years?

This basically means it is only a two year window and Witten has to be on your Coaching staff.

Maybe Carrol at his age would be open to 2 years and mentoring Witten.

 

[jgboys1]

How are we stuck with Dak, when Jerry was the one that wanted Dak? If anything you are stuck with Jerry.

Why would any real coach want to come to Dallas after hearing about MM being asked to mentor Witten for 2 years?

This basically means it is only a two year window and Witten has to be on your Coaching staff.

Maybe Carrol at his age would be open to 2 years and mentoring Witten.

Agree, this team has 2 more years of bad football in it until we can really start with a full rebuild.
I wouldn’t not invest anymore money in this team the way it’s constructed now.
We don’t want to double down on an already mediocre roster.
Still a lot of cap hell to go through.
I wouldn’t extend anyone else on this roster. Just ride it out, clean up cap space and draft as possible well as possible.

 

[FanofJerry]

Ben Johnson has showed some creativity...ill give you that...

But, Moore showed he could scheme guys open while here...

Where did Ben Johnson coach before Detroit? And was the team he was coaching as stacked as Detroit and as easy to implement what you want done as Detroit?

Ben Johnson Ben Johnson...but what can he do for a bad team?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Ben Johnson has showed some creativity...ill give you that...

But, Moore showed he could scheme guys open while here...

Did he?

In 2022 when Moore was here Dak had 3.1 avg target separation and a 20% tight window throw %

In 2024 when everyone complains that we cant scheme guys open Dak had 3.1 avg target separation and a 20% tight window throw %

Metrics dont tell the whole story, but seem to indicate that Moore being here vs not being here was nearly identical in that regard.

 

[FanofJerry]

Did he?

In 2022 when Moore was here Dak had 3.1 avg target separation and a 20% tight window throw %

In 2024 when everyone complains that we cant scheme guys open Dak had 3.1 avg target separation and a 20% tight window throw %

Metrics dont tell the whole story, but seem to indicate that Moore being here vs not being here was nearly identical in that regard.

you lost me...and i liked you as a poster...but you have to remove your mask for shock value at some point...i guess you just did.

i have addressed this is a number of RECENT threads that this board refuses to talk on....and now you are proving you are one of them stringing me along.

you claim ignorance or that you didnt see my other posts about Kellen Moore.

you are loyal to the lie and stringing people along. dont ask me to go back...someone else here can show you my Moore posts if they want to and if you care to clarify yourself....

just convenient you havent responded in my other Moore posts. really convenient.

good hive mind soldier you are

 

[thunderpimp91]

you lost me...and i liked you as a poster...but you have to remove your mask for shock value at some point...i guess you just did.

i have addressed this is a number of RECENT threads that this board refuses to talk on....and now you are proving you are one of them stringing me along.

you claim ignorance or that you didnt see my other posts about Kellen Moore.

you are loyal to the lie and stringing people along. dont ask me to go back...someone else here can show you my Moore posts if they want to and if you care to clarify yourself....

just convenient you havent responded in my other Moore posts. really convenient.

good hive mind soldier you are

Believe it or not I don't read every thread....or often even every post in a threat I'm involved with.

If you have a link to share of one of your post that you're talking about I'd be happy to take a look. I'm pretty open minded on Moore, and don't think hes a bad OC. I just don't see the evidence that he is great at scheming guys open, and is just as talent dependent as 90% of playcallers in the league.

 

[FanofJerry]

Believe it or not I don't read every thread....or often even every post in a threat I'm involved with.

If you have a link to share of one of your post that you're talking about I'd be happy to take a look. I'm pretty open minded on Moore, and don't think hes a bad OC. I just don't see the evidence that he is great at scheming guys open, and is just as talent dependent as 90% of playcallers in the league.

lame setup for me to explain myself for the hundredth time...only for you to not respond.

there is no guarantee you will respond, and this whole board refuses to address the issue i posed.

if you want to clarify...its easy to find...i doubt anyone on here is going to help you find my posts...as they are tied to the lie

 

[thunderpimp91]

lame setup for me to explain myself for the hundredth time...only for you to not respond.

there is no guarantee you will respond, and this whole board refuses to address the issue i posed.

if you want to clarify...its easy to find...i doubt anyone on here is going to help you find my posts...as they are tied to the lie

You dont have to explain yourself, just post a simple link. Its not hard for you to go back and post that to what you're referencing. Through your profile I can only see the last 15 posts you have.

I'd be more than happy to respond with honest feedback. It may not be immediate, but I'll certainly respond.

 

[FanofJerry]

You dont have to explain yourself, just post a simple link. Its not hard for you to go back and post that to what you're referencing. Through your profile I can only see the last 15 posts you have.

I'd be more than happy to respond with honest feedback. It may not be immediate, but I'll certainly respond.

dont worry about it

false sense of hope you are providing...but thanks

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why are people acting like the coaching search is an isolated incident?

 

[thunderpimp91]

dont worry about it

false sense of hope you are providing...but thanks

Nope i'm 100% serious. If you have something of substance to share, and wish to get a response I'm all for it. I love nothing more than actual football talk instead of straight opinionated agenda driven arguments. Posting a simple link to what you're referencing takes a fraction of the time we have gone back and forth here.

 

[McKDaddy]

Worrying about this stuff is kinda silly given what we know about this organization. If ya wanna be emotionally invested in a team that actually has a clue about winning, you'll need to move on from this team.

 

[FanofJerry]

Worrying about this stuff is kinda silly given what we know about this organization. If ya wanna be emotionally invested in a team that actually has a clue about winning, you'll need to move on from this team.

its all fake dude

and youre posting in a forum that you are implying is a circus...why? why havent you moved on?

lame

im watching this thing cave on itself...i checked out years ago, which is why this is imploding, it cant grift my head anymore.