CFZ Why are people getting giddy about Trey Lance?

[thunderpimp91]

Brees wasn't a bust. SD didn't understand what they had.

So who is to say that SF didn't understand what they had in Lance?

 

[RonnieT24]

How many times have you seen in the NFL where a player is a bust for a team and then a new team and environment, that player excels? This kid has had injuries he is really unproven and behind in game action and experience. Everyone is looking at Shanahan as some God, what if the 49ers got this all wrong? Look it only cost us a 4th, it could be either another bust or one of the greatest moves the Cowboys have made.

Doug Williams, Steve Young and Trent Dilfer.

Who are those guys?

Those guys were all first round picks of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.. and they all went on to win the Super Bowl with other teams. One of them is even in the Hall of Fame. People really need to get over this notion that players can't get better or just play better in a different system and a different situation. Lance may continue to suck rocks in the NFL.. but this is far from a given at this point. The move gives the Cowboys a developmental QB that they have been searching for since like 2018. If they drafted the same guy with that 4th round pick next year nobody would bat an eye. This way the Cowboys get a full season and offseason with the kid before he ever sees the field. That 4th round rookie next year would have had what 12-15 practices before training camp where he would get table scraps behind the vets?

 

[LOBO7]

2019 / 287 ATTEMPTS / 28 TDS / 0 INTS
GIVE him a chance

 

[McKDaddy]

Yeah Brees is a terrible example. He was traded because they thought his shoulder was done. They were obviously wrong

They pulled the trigger on Rivers trying to get the prototypical size QB and were anxious to start that era. I still get mad about them putting Brees in the meaningless game where he got his shoulder injured. I was very happy that karma allowed Brees to have a legendary career post SD.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yeah Brees is a terrible example. He was traded because they thought his shoulder was done. They were obviously wrong

As far as an organization actually throwing in the towel I would agree it's a little different situation, but Brees was extremely bad his first three seasons and fans/media weren't taking the guy seriously.

10-17 record
59% comp %
6.2 Y/A
29 TDs
31 INT

All pretty bad numbers....

He's a great example of a guy who legitimately needed a few years to develop as an NFL passer. Compare that to a Trey Lance who is only 23 years old and has a total of 4 NFL starts under his belt and it is absolutely crazy to me that people want to throw in the towel already.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I'm not sure that Shanahan has a great eye for talent - he's better at getting a lot out of what he has.

Otherwise, yea. This is a late-round flyer on a talented guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens slander

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens slander

Lol

 

[Toro9]

Threw 28 TDs and no interceptions his 2nd year in college. Unprecedented. I don't know much about college football but that sounds pretty good to me. Do I think he'll unseat Dak? No, but it might be a process of elimination.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Has anyone visited any SF boards to see what their fans takes are.
I am sure they are mixed as they are on here.

Trey Lance has some completely insane internet stans. Like the Cooper Rush truthers on steroids

 

[KingCorcoran]

I mean Drew Brees and Geno come to mind though Geno wasn’t traded.

It took Geno Smith ten years to have one good year. And he had the opportunity to start many games. Many posters here think that after just one good season the jury is out on Jalen Hurts. Now Geno Smith is the example of a quarterback that flourished in a new environment?

 

[McKDaddy]

Doug Williams, Steve Young and Trent Dilfer

ok, let's keep things in perspective.

Williams had very limited success but one really good SB. That's his only calling card. Out of football soon thereafter.

Young - yeah, but that says more about the dumpster fire of the Buc's during that era than him.

Dilfer - Baltimore wasn't renown for their ability to select QB's during that era either. He kinda became the QB by default. To his credit, he largely stayed in his lane and allowed the enormous talent around him to propel the ship.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I am not a Dak crusader, and anyone who reads my posts will see that I have no problem pointing to his lack of playoff success or the mistakes he makes at the worst times. I have never made excuses for playoff Dak. I do see he is a very good performer in the regular season.

When you are making a case for "pumping brakes" on a new Dallas Cowboy by lecturing about people hoping Dak fails....that is what you are.

Your comment here is very hypocritical. You don't like that people do not support Dak as enthusiastically as you do....by telling other people to not support Trey in the unenthused way you do.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Doug Williams, Steve Young and Trent Dilfer.

Who are those guys?

Those guys were all first round picks of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.. and they all went on to win the Super Bowl with other teams. One of them is even in the Hall of Fame. People really need to get over this notion that players can't get better or just play better in a different system and a different situation. Lance may continue to suck rocks in the NFL.. but this is far from a given at this point. The move gives the Cowboys a developmental QB that they have been searching for since like 2018. If they drafted the same guy with that 4th round pick next year nobody would bat an eye. This way the Cowboys get a full season and offseason with the kid before he ever sees the field. That 4th round rookie next year would have had what 12-15 practices before training camp where he would get table scraps behind the vets?

The problem is that none of these guys were drafted in this millenium. Going back 40-something years to find three examples proves the point that it doesn't happen now.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

ok, let's keep things in perspective.

Williams had very limited success but one really good SB. That's his only calling card. Out of football soon thereafter.

Young - yeah, but that says more about the dumpster fire of the Buc's during that era than him.

Dilfer - Baltimore wasn't renown for their ability to select QB's during that era either. He kinda became the QB by default. To his credit, he largely stayed in his lane and allowed the enormous talent around him to propel the ship.

How many people get that one super bowl?

It is very remarkable achievement.

 

[RonnieT24]

The problem is that none of these guys were drafted in this millenium. Going back 40-something years to find three examples proves the point that it doesn't happen now.

I only used those examples because they all played for the team 90 miles from where I grew up. As for it doesn't happen now? Might I interest you in Matthew Stafford? I'll let you go ahead and look up what team he was drafted by.. Hint: It wasn't the Rams.

 

[AsthmaField]

I am with you that Lance is not a threat to Dak. Anyone hoping for that better have a lot of patience.

I am not with you that this is a “stupid” trade. I think it was definitely a reasonably cheap shot at a talented, young QB who will now be in an environment where there is no rush to play. It is Trey’s best shot at developing because he’ll have no pressure to play, he can just sit and learn for a while, and when (if) he does play he will have a talented team around him.

He may never develop though, but that’s a chance NFL teams take often.

And Howie was “stupid” enough to use first round picks to draft:

2014 Marcus Smith
2016 Carson Wentz
2017 Derrick Barnett
2019 Andre Dillard
2020 Jalen Reagor

The only reason those aren’t 7 consecutive years of busts is because Chip Kelly kicked him out of the playhouse in 2015 and in 2018 he didn’t even have a first round pick. He is no personnel genius. If he didn’t have an owner that was fine going big in free agency, he wouldn’t have a team nearly as talented as he does.

After the Reagor pick he was about to get kicked out of Philly so he decided to just draft from Big SEC schools, which has improved his drafting, although a lot of those guys still have yet to prove themselves.

Nobody should be calling Dallas “stupid” in personnel and talking like Howie is a genius. Dallas is just as talented as Philly, they have just done it less through free agency and trades and more through the draft.

Had Howie gotten Cooks and Gilmore for a couple of 5th round picks, we’d still be hearing what genius moves those were.
Howie and Shanahan get passes from people here for spending multiple first round picks on awful QB’s picks while they skewer Dallas for using one late first on Taco Charlton.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

As far as an organization actually throwing in the towel I would agree it's a little different situation, but Brees was extremely bad his first three seasons and fans/media weren't taking the guy seriously.

10-17 record
59% comp %
6.2 Y/A
29 TDs
31 INT

All pretty bad numbers....

He's a great example of a guy who legitimately needed a few years to develop as an NFL passer. Compare that to a Trey Lance who is only 23 years old and has a total of 4 NFL starts under his belt and it is absolutely crazy to me that people want to throw in the towel already.

The difference is that Brees was able to at least earn enough trust to play. Lance couldn't even win the backup job.

2002 and 2003 was also a very different time for QBs. They weren't even playing the same sport. Brees was 12th in yards and mostly middle of the pack in 2002, his first year as starter.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I only used those examples because they all played for the team 90 miles from where I grew up. As for it doesn't happen now? Might I interest you in Matthew Stafford? I'll let you go ahead and look up what team he was drafted by.. Hint: It wasn't the Rams.

He wasn't a bust with the Lions.

 

[McKDaddy]

So who is to say that SF didn't understand what they had in Lance?

You could see Brees developing but SD had made the decision to go with Rivers. They were just looking to move on.

SF really wanted Lance to be the guy. They are realist who admitted their gamble hadn't paid off and got the wildcatter on the phone to give them the best return they could hope for.

Odds are very low that Lance ever develops into anything of value. If he does, kudos to him and other will be in order.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I am with you that Lance is not a threat to Dak. Anyone hoping for that better have a lot of patience.

I am not with you that this is a “stupid” trade. I think it was definitely a reasonably cheap shot at a talented, young QB who will now be in an environment where there is no rush to play. It is Trey’s best shot at developing because he’ll have no pressure to play, he can just sit and learn for a while, and when (if) he does play he will have a talented team around him.

He may never develop though, but that’s a chance NFL teams take often.

And Howie was “stupid” enough to use first round picks to draft:

2014 Marcus Smith
2016 Carson Wentz
2017 Derrick Barnett
2019 Andre Dillard
2020 Jalen Reagor

The only reason those aren’t 7 consecutive years of busts is because Chip Kelly kicked him out of the playhouse in 2015 and in 2018 he didn’t even have a first round pick. He is no personnel genius. If he didn’t have an owner that was fine going big in free agency, he wouldn’t have a team nearly as talented as he does.

After the Reagor pick he was about to get kicked out of Philly so he decided to just draft from Big SEC schools, which has improved his drafting, although a lot of those guys still have yet to prove themselves.

Nobody should be calling Dallas “stupid” in personnel and talking like Howie is a genius. Dallas is just as talented as Philly, they have just done it less through free agency and trades and more through the draft.

Had Howie gotten Cooks and Gilmore for a couple of 5th round picks, we’d still be hearing what genius moves those were.
Howie and Shanahan get passes from people here for spending multiple first round picks on awful QB’s picks while they skewer Dallas for using one late first on Taco Charlton.

Of all the illnesses infecting this place myopia is the most prevalent