Why Are People Not Livid About Mara's Penalty?

[cowboyvic]

Don't forget Witten either. That will happen every year from here on out. You might as well get used to it. As long as we don't trade away draft picks like the Commanders then all it is is an accounting trick that works.

The bottom line is that we would not be in a position to need to sign Romo or Spencer to make deals had that not been done. We would have $10m in cap space.

What do you want to bet we have no issue resigning Lee next year?

cap hell

Bingo! + 1000. and no one in the media is talking about this. these two owners are willing to spend money on players. but now they can't because they were becoming threats to Mara's giants.now Dallas and Washington, can't do anything but sit there, while the Giants and other teams improve their roster. i will ask the board this again.WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN LAST YEAR THE DAY BEFORE FREE-AGENCY STARTED? WHY?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I doubt they will.

However, constantly restructuring just to keep the the roster they have when it's severely deficient isn't exactly comforting.

Lee's a good player. They'll make room. They'll also likely continue on with lesser players at certain areas just hoping it works out this time.

I don't think they're cap hell by the way. Not really sure what cap hell actually is.

Perhaps you can tell us what cap hell would look like.

I think going in a different direction than Spears and Sensabaugh goes a long way towards not continuing "on with lesser players at certain areas just hoping it works out." Do you really think we are beholden to those two OG even with that massive $1.5m additional proration?

I have no idea what it looks like. That's why I laugh about it. But if it doesn't exist then why do you care about the restructuring contracts?

I prefer they keep their picks, build through the draft and through work in the offseason. The cap situation is meaningless in that context.

My point is that if you want more money to sign FA then that $10m sure sounds like it would help.

 

[Idgit]

The $10M chafes the heck out of my backside. Between the penalty, the whiff on Free, the franchise issue for Spencer and Tony's cap hit balloon, it's pretty obvious where the problems arose.

I ding the franchise for not getting Spencer deal done any of the last three offseasons (including this one). Otherwise, I think given how many of our veterans we have covered at key positions, and the fact that we had to splurge in FA for a handful of starters last year, our cap's about where you'd expect it to be. I don't consider it a particular sign of mismanagement that we're tight right now, and I even commend them somewhat on being able to squeeze in room to keep from losing Spencer outright.

 

[dogberry]

Didn't Snyder take the NFL to court? Is the case still active?

 

[cowboyvic]

The $10M chafes the heck out of my backside. Between the penalty, the whiff on Free, the franchise issue for Spencer and Tony's cap hit balloon, it's pretty obvious where the problems arose.

I ding the franchise for not getting Spencer deal done any of the last three offseasons (including this one). Otherwise, I think given how many of our veterans we have covered at key positions, and the fact that we had to splurge in FA for a handful of starters last year, our cap's about where you'd expect it to be. I don't consider it a particular sign of mismanagement that we're tight right now, and I even commend them somewhat on being able to squeeze in room to keep from losing Spencer outright.

That's not what this thread is about. this thread is about what the other owners Goodell, did to the Cowboys and Commanders. and they got away it and damage these two teams. without either owner putting up a fight.

 

[cowboyvic]

Didn't Snyder take the NFL to court? Is the case still active?

Nope. and the Commanders GM this week said they would not. they are doing what Jerry is doing. not putting up fight for their team. it's sickening what happen here.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think going in a different direction than Spears and Sensabaugh goes a long way towards not continuing "on with lesser players at certain areas just hoping it works out." Do you really think we are beholden to those two OG even with that massive $1.5m additional proration?

Beholden to them? Certainly not. I also realize that the team can't replace them right now without working numbers.

As far as Spears and Sensy go, it's unlikely either position is really upgraded through free agency. Unless they snag a guy on the cheap who far exceeds expectations there's not much to really be had on top of the fact that they would have to move money to make it happen.

I have no idea what it looks like. That's why I laugh about it. But if it doesn't exist then why do you care about the restructuring contracts?

"Cap hell" existing or not doesn't mean there aren't less desirable positions to be in regarding the cap.

I don't think restructuring multiple players on an annual basis is all that great. Difference of opinion I suppose.

I would prefer the team be able to operate without moving money while reserving the ability to make some "final piece" type of moves.

I prefer they keep their picks, build through the draft and through work in the offseason. The cap situation is meaningless in that context.

I guess in a perfect world they'd never have to sign a single free agent. I agree. It would be nice to build through the draft and count on the draft to keep the team out of free agency. Not realistic though.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Because the very same person that has led the team down this path is the one who ultimately decided not to challenge the ruling.

So if I bring up the draft I am whining, but if I don't bring up the fine, I am somehow not covering all the bases and getting called out.

Try investing some real emotions in the team instead of dreaming about trophies for a change.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I still am upset by it.

It's an 8 letter word.

Not even because the two teams were the ones thrown to the carpet...but mainly because other teams were not. Not to mention, the whole thing is illegal from my understanding.

 

[Idgit]

That's not what this thread is about. this thread is about what the other owners Goodell, did to the Cowboys and Commanders. and they got away it and damage these two teams. without either owner putting up a fight.

That's what 'chafes the heck out of my backside' was all about. As I've said, I'm not one to go on and on about my chafing. It's undignified.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I still am upset by it.

It's an 8 letter word.

Not even because the two teams were the ones thrown to the carpet...but mainly because other teams were not. Not to mention, the whole thing is illegal from my understanding.

Something isn't right about it, because nobody is stupid, unless you think they are.

Understand

 

[junk]

Nope. and the Commanders GM this week said they would not. they are doing what Jerry is doing. not putting up fight for their team. it's sickening what happen here.

It is all about the bottom line. The owners made out like bandits in this last CBA. The longer this stays in the press, the more attention it gets, the more it sheds a light on their collusion and the more people realize that what the owners were selling during the negotiations was....well....far fetched to say the least.

This new CBA is putting millions, if not billions, of dollars in the pockets of Jerry and Danny. It is in their best financial interest to just sweep it under the rug and let it go away. $10 million in cap space is chump change compared to what they made on the new CBA.

 

[mmillman]

Jerry brought this on himself.
It was because of the big contract given to Austin. How has that worked so far?

Not talked about very much is the extra cap space given to the other teams. A bribe for solidarity from the other owners and a bribe to the players union.

Jerruh is a terrible GM and his son doesn't seem to be much better at managing the cap. This seems pretty evident but to a few apologists.

NFL gear for the cowboys is already slipping.
Dallas isn't on the national stage as much as in years past.
The superbowl thing was an embarassment.
Cap fumbling
poor trades
poor drafting
There is a whole generation that doesn't know Dallas as a winning franchise.
More and more fans are becoming disenchanted with the owner and his bumbling ways.

Until the fans start voting with their wallets, huckster Jerry will keep doing things his goofy way. I have said that for years. He is making tons of money doing things his way and as long as the fans put up with it he will continue to do so.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

It is all about the bottom line. The owners made out like bandits in this last CBA. The longer this stays in the press, the more attention it gets, the more it sheds a light on their collusion and the more people realize that what the owners were selling during the negotiations was....well....far fetched to say the least.

This new CBA is putting millions, if not billions, of dollars in the pockets of Jerry and Danny. It is in their best financial interest to just sweep it under the rug and let it go away. $10 million in cap space is chump change compared to what they made on the new CBA.

I also wonder if Jones and Snyder weren't at least somewhat responsible for their own mess behind closed doors. It is fairly obvious that almost every owner feels that they had a, *wink* *wink*, agreement under the table about not overspending in the, *wink* *wink*, uncapped year.

I have been growing ever more suspicious over the last year that Jones and Snyder winked with everyone else, then went about trying to slide around their gentleman's agreement thinking that the other owners would never air that type of dirty laundry in public.

If that is the case, then I would understand why Mara and others would be upset.

 

[burmafrd]

I also wonder if Jones and Snyder weren't at least somewhat responsible for their own mess behind closed doors. It is fairly obvious that almost every owner feels that they had a, *wink* *wink*, agreement under the table about not overspending in the, *wink* *wink*, uncapped year.

I have been growing ever more suspicious over the last year that Jones and Snyder winked with everyone else, then went about trying to slide around their gentleman's agreement thinking that the other owners would never air that type of dirty laundry in public.

If that is the case, then I would understand why Mara and others would be upset.

there were other teams that did EXACTLY what the Boys and Skins did. and did not get penalized. You might want to think about that

 

[Risen Star]

Guess it would be 5M less they had to restructure. So that's a plus.

Right. All that penalty did was make a bad situation worse. It wasn't the cause of this issue.

But hey, it makes for a good spin job.

 

[visionary]

Because the very same person that has led the team down this path is the one who ultimately decided not to challenge the ruling.

So if I bring up the draft I am whining, but if I don't bring up the fine, I am somehow not covering all the bases and getting called out.

Try investing some real emotions in the team instead of dreaming about trophies for a change.

My thoughts exactly

the OP has created a very disingenuous thread that if someone on the other side of the aisle had created would have been considered a 'bait thread'

so if the enabler-in-chief, the tie-breaker is not putting the interests of his team (cap room) ahead of trying to make a few extra dollars for himself (trying to get another SB) by not challenging an unfair ruling, somehow it is our problem?

laughable but unfortunately par for the course for the OP

 

[SkinsFan28]

We've belabored 'I'm depressed about this team,' 'I am tired of the pessimism,' 'This is the worst offseason ever' and the like for a month. The threads change but not the topic.

I am just curious in the 1000's of posts that have been dedicated to that has none of that ire been focused elsewhere.

For example if we had $10m more in cap space would you be as depressed or thinking this was the worst? Not saying that you yourself are but I think you get my point.

I haven't read the whole thread, but as a Skins fan the lack of outrage in the media has been appalling. I thought Bruce Allen gave a good straight forward press conference on the eve of FA opening and you heard nothing about it on ESPN, Sirius, or if you did it was a quick in passing reference.

On the one hand, although this year has been awful for us in FA signings (what are they?), I am hopeful that Snyder learned from the pain of having to watch the big names go off the board, that you pay a price for AH type contracts. Ultimately as a team we kept our starting offense intact (depending on what happens with TE Davis), and our DLine/OLB corps too the only areas where the cap hit really affected us was our back 7, and to be honest we couldn't get much worse back there if we had my son's HS team's secondary starting (exaggeration, but only a slight one).

Mara and Lurie both pushed this through, but Mara was more loud mouthed about his role and his thoughts.

 

[cowboysooner]

The double dose of bad was the dead money was forgiven from cuts in the uncapped year and we made 23 million of our cuts in the capped year. We pretty much ended up in the same boat as the skins.

 

[SkinsFan28]

I also wonder if Jones and Snyder weren't at least somewhat responsible for their own mess behind closed doors. It is fairly obvious that almost every owner feels that they had a, *wink* *wink*, agreement under the table about not overspending in the, *wink* *wink*, uncapped year.

I have been growing ever more suspicious over the last year that Jones and Snyder winked with everyone else, then went about trying to slide around their gentleman's agreement thinking that the other owners would never air that type of dirty laundry in public.

If that is the case, then I would understand why Mara and others would be upset.

Take it for what it's worth, but Bruce Allen in his press conference put it pretty bluntly that the Commanders in no way accepted the premise that they were warned about penalties 2 years after the fact for contracts that the League themselves approved. His press conference should have been on sports networks highlights several times over and sparked a discussion, but the whole thing has been swept under more effectively than anything I can remember.