Why are the Watkins Fans So Afraid of Bringing in Competition?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh, for the love of GOD!!.....don't ask him that!!

Pull up yer waders fellers...............

i hadnt put you on ignore yesterday because i dont like to jump to conclusions. Seeing yet another post that brings nothing to the discussion i realize that usually the first idea is the right idea.

 

[Seven]

I didn't think you were mad, just posts were flying a mile a minute and everyone seemed agitated, and it seemed to turn from a "Why would you oppose an upgrade at FS" topic to "Watkins sucks, has sucked, and always will suck - Uh-huh or Nuh-uh". Obviously if Landry falls, we don't think twice. Nelson I dunno.

IMO, if we can make that rush better, WHO is at FS becomes less and less relevant. It only matters that someone is there.

I thought "WHO" was at SS and "I don't know" was MLB?

 

[Seven]

i hadnt put you on ignore yesterday because i dont like to jump to conclusions. Seeing yet another post that brings nothing to the discussion i realize that usually the first idea is the right idea.

But, but.....you just did that like 20 times? Ya can't ignore yourself, fella.

 

[superpunk]

Seems like a bit of sarcasm to me, but whatever.

Only a bit? I must be slipping.

If you havent played for a coach who is similar in some of the ways as Parcells, you wouldnt know what I mean. But if you arent the right type of person for the style, it only diminishes your confidence and hurts your performance. You're always worried about making mistakes instead of just playing the game. I expect to see a better centerfield FS next year. Roy will wreck havoc as well.

Maybe you're right. I would love that. History says that the "Parcells holds players back" notion is total horse-****, at least when it has come to his tenure here. If they can't play for him, they can't play elsewhere. The player you speak of has a weak mind and a weak will and low confidence in the first place, which is generally why they find themselves rapidly out of the NFL, and rarely tapping that "potential".

But...here's to hope. :cheers:

 

[Clove]

Ahh the maturity card my favorite. im so glad that this country is a meritocracy.

Statistics are pretty lousey when it comes to evaluating DBs. Look no farther than Newman to show this. Given that all your babbling about pick rates is pointless.

I dont like Watkins because I think his deep coverage ability stinks not because of his tackle numbers or ints.

It really doesn't matter if you like Watkins or not, we shall see what the big boys think of him (Front Office/Coaches)

If they see it your way, then you are smarter than we've given you credit for. But it's pointless arguing with someone who's obviously not going to see it another way, so the last word belongs to you.

 

[Seven]

Only a bit? I must be slipping.


Maybe you're right. I would love that. History says that the "Parcells holds players back" notion is total horse-****, at least when it has come to his tenure here. If they can't play for him, they can't play elsewhere. The player you speak of has a weak mind and a weak will and low confidence in the first place, which is generally why they find themselves rapidly out of the NFL, and rarely tapping that "potential".

But...here's to hope. :cheers:

I don't think he or other posters are quite sold on the "holding back" aspect either. Its more of along the lines of thinking too much and not playing their game. I could see this especially with the rookies. Who knows tho. There were times when I thought the defense looked robotic.

 

[superpunk]

I don't think he or other posters are quite sold on the "holding back" aspect either. Its more of along the lines of thinking too much and not playing their game. I could see this especially with the rookies. Who knows tho. There were times when I thought the defense looked robotic.

Zimmer's defense did kind of lend itself to robotic play, since it was more about responsibility than making plays. Which completely works, so long as you don't screw up your responsibility. Which Watkins had a knack for.

I dunno. 5th round players get drafted in the 5th round for a reason - for the most part. I hope Watkins bucks that trend, and shows all those anti-tall people that those of us who are nearly 6 and a half feet tall can be valuable contributors to society.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Didn't notice Watkins all that much down the stretch save for a couple of int's....which means he was probably doing his job very well.

Not opposed to Landry or Nelson....in fact if either fell I think the Boys would have little choice but to draft them, however Watkins starting next year doesn't bother me one bit.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I don't think he or other posters are quite sold on the "holding back" aspect either. Its more of along the lines of thinking too much and not playing their game. I could see this especially with the rookies. Who knows tho. There were times when I thought the defense looked robotic.

Exactly. I remember in the first Eagles game after Watkins was benched he was over on the bench with his head held low, looking pitiful. You could just tell that Parcells had been tearing into him, trying to lite a fire. Well some people dont respond well to that type of motivation. It only tears their confidence apart. With Phillips coaching style, and scheme, I really honestly expect Watkins to rebound from last year.

And about his draft status, if you all remember correctly he was projected as a 2-3 round pick, but fell because of his lanky frame.

 

[AsthmaField]

I just think we should all calm downa second, and think about what we're really saying.

Watkins 5 game stretch to start the season was terrible. Even if he was "in position", that doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you don't have the head to locate the ball and stop the play. He got beat - alot, and was one of the biggest reasons we started so poorly, along with Bledsoe's alarmingly dreadful play.

So he got benched. For Keith Davis andd the drunk. Who were almost NO better.

So he got to come back out. Proved himself in practice, and for all intents and purposes, performed decently to close the year. Was this because people just picked on our LBs? Maybe. Was this because they could just pick on an injured Roy Williams and a befuddled Terrence Newman while our group of senior citizens opted not to rush the passer to close the year? Maybe.

But I certainly think he warrants being in the mix next year. Bring in some form of competition - the best we can reasonably manage - and let them have it out. The best player will play, and that's good for the Cowboys, and all of us.

So... common sense, huh? And what makes you think any of us want to hear any of that? :

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The only positions that as of right now our first rounder will start at are S and LB. You keep saying this but never respond to the fact that probably anyone that we drafted in the first round with the exception of safety or OG would be a backup.

So lets just trade down to the third so we can not have to worry about expectations of a first rounder.

Well, what can I tell you. You have offered nothing to convince. No player drafted is a sure thing to start. This is the point exactly. Doesn't matter how high you pick them, as a rookie, it's tough. You tell me that I ignore this fact yet how is it that you can't acknowledge that Watkins was a rookie last year and as such, makes mistakes? It's OK if we spend a first round pick on a rookie and it's OK that they don't start right away because there rookies but it's not OK for Watkins right? Weak.

It's not as if FS is the only position we need to address. LB is a need, a good young NT is a need, a young impact WR is a need and a good young LT is a need. We could probably use another CB as well. Any of these are good picks IMO. But yeah, lets take a FS and write Watkins off because you say so. Good plan.

 

[Hiero]

exactly as many said before. Competition and drafting a guy in the first rd is not the same thing. That said Nelson might be worth the pick depending on who else is available.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If Fuzzy wasn't filled with hate and anger before... Getting schooled isn't going to help.

Nice to see Inman get in a cheesy jab or two also and skedaddle.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Fuzzy wasn't filled with hate and anger before... Getting schooled isn't going to help.

Nice to see Inman get in a cheesy jab or two also and skedaddle.

Morning Mike. How's everything?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Morning Mike. How's everything?

Morning ABQ!

Just trying to get some early morning shots in! All in good fun ya-know?

About 18" of snow on the ground... not as bad as what Sarge and Burmashave have gotten.

36 degrees and sprinkles today.

I'm hoping Spring is around the corner.

How about you?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Morning ABQ!

Just trying to get some early morning shots in! All in good fun ya-know?

About 18" of snow on the ground... not as bad as what Sarge and Burmashave have gotten.

36 degrees and sprinkles today.

I'm hoping Spring is around the corner.

How about you?

I'm actually in DC today. Actually, been nice here the last few days. Understand there is a storm moving in but I hope to be out of here before that. Wish me luck!

:laugh2:

 

[baj1dallas]

don't knock Proctor just because you don't know anything about him. He could come in next year and start and surprise everybody (outside of the organization) for all we know.

I definitely want competition for Watkins, but not a high draft pick. As mentioned, that wouldn't be competition either. Either bring in a moderately priced vet on a short term contract (don't know of any available) or move Henry. Problem with moving Henry is that there WILL be a learning curve for a rookie CB whether you like it or not.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

don't knock Proctor just because you don't know anything about him. He could come in next year and start and surprise everybody (outside of the organization) for all we know.

I definitely want competition for Watkins, but not a high draft pick. As mentioned, that wouldn't be competition either. Either bring in a moderately priced vet on a short term contract (don't know of any available) or move Henry. Problem with moving Henry is that there WILL be a learning curve for a rookie CB whether you like it or not.

Good post.

I agree with what you've said both on Proctor and Watkins. While I do expect a guard to be brought in via FA or the draft I do not want to dismiss Proctor out of hand. Parcells seen something in the kid and that has some merit.

To me the weak link in the FS chain is Davis. Either Watkins starts and we have a quality back-up or a new guy comes in and starts and Watkins becomes the back-up. But no way should Davis remain the back-up FS on this team.

I don't think we're going to see Henry move to FS. Jerry has backed off of that one. That doesn't mean we don't need some quality corner depth because we do. I'd like to see a corner drafted sometime during the first day.