Why couldn't dallas stop the run?

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Because not every team in the league has a RB that gets tackled easily by 1 man on every play like ours.

We basically have a $15 million dollar FB..............just plows ahead and falls down at first contact.

I think Helman on The Break said it best, "For the highest paid RB in the league, I expected more"
 

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I think we are a fast team and that hurts us this year just like last year. What did the rams do to us and our fast defense? Owned us. We do not do enough to stop the run and we overpursue so much that it kills it. Teams notice.
 

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Why couldn't dallas stop the run? They got beat by a HB and a TE! ***?
not good scheme. we give up way too many runs to the outside, not sure why. its been the same story and our tackling is horrendous...that's a basic fundamental of the game. forget the scheme...you have the player, then freaking tackle him

plus I have seen on many occasions they play individual football, not team football. they don't trust each other.
 

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Why couldn't dallas stop the run? They got beat by a HB and a TE! ***?

Why CAN'T Dallas stop the run is a better question.

Although the answer is simple. We have rotational DTs starting. I guess a good team can get away with Maliek Collins starting at DT, but Woods and Covington should really be the 4th or 5th DTs at best as opposed to a starter and first off the bench.
 

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Over pursuing. Cannot tackle. Getting pushed around entirely too much. The list goes on.
 

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The LBers - all of them - played maybe the worst game I have ever seen from that position group. Run fits were late every time, and the tackling was brutal.

Having said that, the run d was mostly fine except for one drive.
 

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Cook had 97 yards on 26 carries for a 3.7 average as the leagues leading rusher. You take out the one 23 yard carry and he was 74 for 25 or a 2.9 average. The few times he got in space defenders bounced off him. They didn't run over, over match or take advantage of an imaginary 1tech deficiency. They were just persistent in running the ball and our offense did nothing to force them out of that game plan!

Downplaying and sugar coating the obvious the way you’re doing right now, instead of seriously addressing it n the way we really need to do is one of the worst things this organization is
continuing to do – the lack of brute strength and physicality is killing this team.

Vikes as a unit had 153 total yards rushing between Cook and Alexander Madison ( who subbed in and had 6.5 yrd avg.) and Cook still had his near 100 yrd (much with obvious run loss yrd)
and you can’t “ take away “ a 23 yrd run that his big play his ability was able to make on us. That’s like taking away Aaron Jones 4 TD runs vs us.

At least the usually overly- optimistic Jerry even admitted that they simply got “out-physical” us. It’s not the first time that has happened to us ..and its not going to be the last.
Its only a matter of time before we get our azzes handed to us on a plate again – and should we make the playoffs, it’s gonna like happen there.
 

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Because Marinelli thinks that big, gap clogging DTs are the ugliest things on the planet. If you don't have a quick first step, high motor, then you can't be a 1-gap shooter for his "rush men".

"We stop the run on the way to the quarterback". - Hot Rod Marinelli
Because we Keep abandoning the 1 Tech Spot for almost a decade counting.

Just like Safety the Cowboys dont value run stuffing 1 Techs. They want the "Twitch" Guys with "Position Flex" that never do anything well.

When was the last time the Cowboys had a dominant Run Plugging Big *** in the Front 7?

Can u remember? I cant.

Because we also have suspects DBs every year we cant stack the box and trust them to make a Play 1v1. That leads to what we see all the time.
Because our interior, our DTs, are JAGs. We have the ends, but our middle is soft. That, and our scheme blows!

Cook dominated running to the outside and as a pass receiver.

Cook rarely ran plays inside where a big immovable DT would have helped.

On the few short yardage plays where the Vikings did run inside, the Cowboys had backup DTs in the game...:(
 

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Downplaying and sugar coating the obvious the way you’re doing right now, instead of seriously addressing it n the way we really need to do is one of the worst things this organization is
continuing to do – the lack of brute strength and physicality is killing this team.

Vikes as a unit had 153 total yards rushing between Cook and Alexander Madison ( who subbed in and had 6.5 yrd avg.) and Cook still had his near 100 yrd (much with obvious run loss yrd)
and you can’t “ take away “ a 23 yrd run that his big play his ability was able to make on us. That’s like taking away Aaron Jones 4 TD runs vs us.

At least the usually overly- optimistic Jerry even admitted that they simply got “out-physical” us. It’s not the first time that has happened to us ..and its not going to be the last.
Its only a matter of time before we get our azzes handed to us on a plate again – and should we make the playoffs, it’s gonna like happen there.
@exciter makes a good point about the fans focus on the 1-tech DT position.

The 1-tech position was not a significant issue in this game.

Cook's success was running outside and as a pass receiver.
 

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Did their run game kill us? They had some ok runs we failed to tackle but overall they averaged 3.7 a carry, that's not great. They made some big plays in the air and scored. That was the difference.

even their 2nd string back Alexander Madison came in off the benched and averaged a whopping 6.5 avg.
their RB unit running for 153 total rushing yards and a TD , at one point they were able to rally off 8-10 carries in a row because they know they were wearing us down.. yeh that did kill us.
 

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What I keep hating is this defense is built for downhill play- it’s long been that way and we don’t have the personnel to resist otherwise, it’s not built to go head to head physical vs physical, and there’s more teams that can take advantage and our way leads to less resistance.
Green Bay isn’t a run oriented team, and even they can run amok on us with the likes of Aaron Jones, that;s not just a down game, it’s revealing a long term problem.

- The 1 tech is indeed an issue,… it's just not the only issue, as you have guys like Maliek and Covington who also are continuing to have their issues vs run as well)
and then you go back to the Woods who is just average and the more the game goes on, the more he gets gassed like the others and you see him stuck, rode out lanes,
over pursuing, and getting pancaked to the ground,

- The LBs do have their own issues too, and they have really been up and down this year - but there have been instances shown around the league, to where you have top notch
DTs built in your interior to brutally beat the opposition, those top notch run stuffers can still run quite an interfere in traffic and clog lanes enough to hide LB flaws to a certain extent and degree.
And that allows those LBs can better roam and flow the field. The Problem here, under Marinelli, we NEVER invest in those top run stuffers,

- You see Vikes drafting Lindvall Joseph in the 2nd round , and he’s a pro bowler that makes a difference in their run defense (even without him we still couldn’t run well )
Those are the ones that alter and change how you have to block and run against them, they force two blockers to occupy them, they may not move much – but they simply don’t get moved. They clog lanes, they force you to run wider or differently, they gained penetration , they get into the backfield for tackle- losses, they are difference makers in what they do best.

- And those elite 1 tech guys generally get locked up in long term contracts for years, they so rarely ever hit the FA market.

- Based upon Marinelli’s recommendations, scheme fit and position value, the McClay group going to keep giving him these collection of cheap, bargain based street FA vet JAGs, etc. that have been a revolving door and ever exposed year in year out.
When you don’t invest or value it,, it’s gonna show.
 

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Same scheme and basically the same players who couldn't stop it in LA, and the Vikings are one of the best rushing teams in the League.
 

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@exciter makes a good point about the fans focus on the 1-tech DT position.

The 1-tech position was not a significant issue in this game.

Cook's success was running outside and as a pass receiver.


- Alexander Madison wouldn’t get his whopping 6.5, on the outside,.. nor Cooks his head start TD run if we had stout interiors who can get penetrations and push movement to slow and re-direct backs from going outside.

- And I’m for investing and securing an premiere immovable run stuffer for a long haul… and not just one lone game.
 

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Same scheme and basically the same players who couldn't stop it in LA, and the Vikings are one of the best rushing teams in the League.

ditto for the Colts game .. and several other road games in '18.

Enter additional JAGs Trysten Hill and Chris Convington
 

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Basically our guys always on the ground and their guys always upright and standing strong
 

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Why couldn't dallas stop the run? They got beat by a HB and a TE! ***?
Because Minnesota put on a clinic of how to run the football when facing teams determined to stop it.
It's called "scheme" and is successful because of proper "philosophy".
Garrett wouldn't understand that.
 

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Rod is quite proud of this “we just play the run on the way to the QB” scheme. Every good team in the league is exploring this and letting our line get upfield and the running In those lanes. It’s mind boggling they can’t understand or fix what teams are doing
 

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I have never had any faith in marinelli. Last year I was glad to see Richard taking over the difference. Now that opinion is quickly fading.
there is a reason that Pete Carroll a defensive coach fired Richard. Don't think the defense improves much when he takes over next year after Rod is made the scapegoat this year.
 

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there is a reason that Pete Carroll a defensive coach fired Richard. Don't think the defense improves much when he takes over next year after Rod is made the scapegoat this year.

they had philosophical differences when it came to blitz packages, and firing even happens to the best coaches and coordinators, even Wade Philips was fired even after campaigning
another successful defensive year in Denver. .even Pete Carroll himself as gotten the axe at the NFL level

and it's not Richard didn't have his success as a DC a year in Seattle before, when his unit was among the top three defenses.
And he was still the engineer coach most responsible for the development and success of the Legion of Boom, ..
 
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