Why did you guys give up over 100 yards rushing the last two games?

[sacase]

Broke

I have given you many stats, you dodge them all and pick out one or two very minor things. Its a fact you have a softer schedule. Your vaunted offense is nowhere as good as you claim and everone who watches football knows that the AFC defenses are very soft. When you can stop giving me conjecture and start facing the facts then we can have a discussion, but you over eager homer inflated point of view is not needed and only makes you look like a complete idiot. You know, what so what we have given up 271 rushing in the past two weeks. You have given up 140 more total yards than us in the past two weeks, so go thump your chest about that. Are you actually goign to claim the colts have the best Defense in the NFL? Are you that much of an idiot? Just because a has lost don't mean they don't have a great defense. 4 teams have scored more than 20 points on us, that's it. Teams have consistantly scored less than their average when playing us this year, expect it to continue. Our Defense is consistant. Why are you showing the fedex player of the week thing. Even a blind squiel eventually finds a nut. Troy Hamrick ran for 180 on Washington 2 years ago you want to call him agreat back? Just please be quiet, your making yourself out to be much more of an idiot. Here is a quote you should live by

It is better to stay quiet and let people think you are and idiot, than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[AdamJT13]

Defensive 3rd down %: 34.9% rank - 7th

What's interesting about that is that the Chiefs' opponents have faced third down only 146 times out of 729 plays. Their opponents usually move the ball well enough -- 5.5 yards per play overall, fifth-highest in the NFL, and a whopping 5.95 yards per play on first down, the third-highest in the NFL -- that they pick up a first down or touchdown before they even need to convert on third down. That's why the Chiefs' opponents have had to punt only 48 times, the fourth-fewest in the NFL.

Defensive penalties: 65 rank - 1st

Def. penalty yards: 582 rank - 5th

Those aren't the Chiefs' stats. They're the Chiefs' opponents' penalties. For some reason, NFL.com lists the opponents' penalties under the defensive stats. All that means is that the Chiefs' opponents are penalized the least in the league -- just as Dallas is the least-penalized team going into this game.

 

[brokeback]

Adam,
I find it interesting that Dallas is one of the worst teams in the NFL at stopping the run averaging 4.2 ypc against. Enter Larry Johnson who averages 5 ypc and leads the league in rushing yards in games he starts.
As far as not forcing many punts, you almost make a good point. However, you left out the fact that the Chiefs are 5th in the league in forcing turnovers (25).

 

[brokeback]

Broke

I have given you many stats, you dodge them all and pick out one or two very minor things. Its a fact you have a softer schedule. Your vaunted offense is nowhere as good as you claim and everone who watches football knows that the AFC defenses are very soft.
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We've averaged scoring 30 PPG against the NFC this year. Evidently NFC defenses aren't so good at stopping our O.

When you can stop giving me conjecture and start facing the facts then we can have a discussion, but you over eager homer inflated point of view is not needed and only makes you look like a complete idiot. You know, what so what we have given up 271 rushing in the past two weeks. You have given up 140 more total yards than us in the past two weeks, so go thump your chest about that.
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I'll stick to thumping my chest over the fact that, during that stretch of games, the Chiefs are 2-0 while the Cowboys are 0-2.
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Are you actually goign to claim the colts have the best Defense in the NFL? Are you that much of an idiot?
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Never said that. Never would. Nice try.
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Just because a has lost don't mean they don't have a great defense.
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True. You don't have a great defense because your defense isn't great. Losing 5 of 12 games is simple evidence of this fact. Having one of the highest YPC against is more evidence of this. Giving up 271 yards the last 2 weeks is more evidence of this. Giving up 31 to the 49ers is more evidence of this. Any one of these things taken by themselves does not mean a defense isn't great. In conjunction, they do. I have said repeatedly that you have a good or even very good defense. It's just not great. It's not in the top 5 in points allowed or total defense. It's around the 20th %ile in both. That's good. It's not greatness, though.
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4 teams have scored more than 20 points on us, that's it. Teams have consistantly scored less than their average when playing us this year, expect it to continue.
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That's an example of your defense is good.
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Our Defense is consistant.
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That's another
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Why are you showing the fedex player of the week thing. Even a blind squiel eventually finds a nut. Troy Hamrick ran for 180 on Washington 2 years ago you want to call him agreat back?
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Larry Johnson is a blind squirrel who happened to find a nut? Interesting that he found it against the #1 rushing team in the NFL. Last year we played the #1 rushing team in the NFL and set the NFL record for rushing TDs in a game (8) and ran for over 200 yards. LJ leads the NFL in rushing since he has become the starter. Dallas doesn't have a single offensive player who is in LJ's class. In fact, at any given time, the Chiefs can put 8 players on the field who have been in the ProBowl in the last 2 years. (RB, FB, QB, RG, LG, LT, TE, WR)
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Just please be quiet, your making yourself out to be much more of an idiot. Here is a quote you should live by

It is better to stay quiet and let people think you are and idiot, than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Obviously football knowledge is a foreign concept to you. I'm glad that most of the posters on CZ are brighter bulbs than yourself.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam,
I find it interesting that Dallas is one of the worst teams in the NFL at stopping the run averaging 4.2 ypc against. Enter Larry Johnson who averages 5 ypc and leads the league in rushing yards in games he starts.

Frankly, I could care less about those stats. Rushing average has one of the lowest correlations to winning of any statistic in the NFL. About 80 percent of games are won or lost through the air, not on the ground. If Johnson rushes for 120 yards on 5.0 yards per carry but we shut down your passing game better than you shut down our passing game, we're almost guaranteed to win.

As far as not forcing many punts, you almost make a good point. However, you left out the fact that the Chiefs are 5th in the league in forcing turnovers (25).

Yep, that's really the only thing the Chiefs' defense has going for it. And it's mostly because they recover fumbles. They're among the worst defenses in the NFL at stopping teams from moving the ball, among the worst at stopping teams from scoring, among the worst at forcing teams to punt and even below-average in getting interceptions. But they can recover fumbles, so that's something you can hang your hat on. Not that I would, but if that's all you have to feel good about with your defense, you might as well.

 

[sacase]

Its rather obvious that you blind yourself to facts. Dallas could be number won in every catagory and as long as they have 5 losses you will claim that they are jsut a good defense. Yes you have probed yourself to be an idiot. I mean the way you talk you would think we were playing the colts instead of a team that has one more win than us. Yeah you tried to make it seem that because we lost 5 games or defense was not a great defense, your words not mine. Nice try Homer. your still 1-1 in the NFC the team that beat your we beat twice. Oh but here comes the excuse that you were hurt when you played them.

 

[brokeback]

Frankly, I could care less about those stats. Rushing average has one of the lowest correlations to winning of any statistic in the NFL. About 80 percent of games are won or lost through the air, not on the ground. If Johnson rushes for 120 yards on 5.0 yards per carry but we shut down your passing game better than you shut down our passing game, we're almost guaranteed to win.
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That's the dumbest analysis I've ever heard. Among the 11 worst passing defenses in the NFL , 8 have winning records and they lead 5 of the 6 divisions in the NFL.
New England
Kansas City
Denver
San Diego
NY Giants
Minnesota
Seattle
Pittsburgh

Pass defense is a faulty stat because teams tend to throw when they are down.

Of the top 12 Rushing defenses in the NFL, 11 of them have winning records.
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Yep, that's really the only thing the Chiefs' defense has going for it. And it's mostly because they recover fumbles. They're among the worst defenses in the NFL at stopping teams from moving the ball, among the worst at stopping teams from scoring, among the worst at forcing teams to punt and even below-average in getting interceptions. But they can recover fumbles, so that's something you can hang your hat on. Not that I would, but if that's all you have to feel good about with your defense, you might as well.

I thought we picked Brady off a record 4 times in a single game. I must be mistaken. I thought we forced more turnovers than the Cowboys who are right in the middle of the pack in =/- whereas the Chiefs were one of the best.

 

[brokeback]

Its rather obvious that you blind yourself to facts. Dallas could be number won in every catagory and as long as they have 5 losses you will claim that they are jsut a good defense.
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If Dallas was number "won" in every category, they would not have 5 losses.
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Yes you have probed yourself to be an idiot.
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I very rarely probe myself. When I do, it's not in public.
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I mean the way you talk you would think we were playing the colts instead of a team that has one more win than us. Yeah you tried to make it seem that because we lost 5 games or defense was not a great defense, your words not mine.
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7-5 would be an impressive record if you weren't coming off consecutive losses.
8-4 might not be as impressive a record if we weren't coming off 3 straight wins.
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Nice try Homer. your still 1-1 in the NFC the team that beat your we beat twice. Oh but here comes the excuse that you were hurt when you played them.

I'm not going to make an excuse for losing that game. I'm just pointing out that we've scored almost at will versus NFC teams this year and you've struggled against AFC teams this year.

 

[superpunk]

[/b] What's interesting about that is that the Chiefs' opponents have faced third down only 146 times out of 729 plays. Their opponents usually move the ball well enough -- 5.5 yards per play overall, fifth-highest in the NFL, and a whopping 5.95 yards per play on first down, the third-highest in the NFL -- that they pick up a first down or touchdown before they even need to convert on third down. That's why the Chiefs' opponents have had to punt only 48 times, the fourth-fewest in the NFL.



Those aren't the Chiefs' stats. They're the Chiefs' opponents' penalties. For some reason, NFL.com lists the opponents' penalties under the defensive stats. All that means is that the Chiefs' opponents are penalized the least in the league -- just as Dallas is the least-penalized team going into this game.

Very interesting stats. Predictably dodged. LOL

 

[AdamJT13]

That's the dumbest analysis I've ever heard.

Except that it's true. Every statistical analysis done shows that passing and stopping the pass have the highest correlation to winning games, while running and stopping the run have one of the lowest correlations.

Your mistake is assuming that total yardage is the key stat. But that's not the case, since teams pads their running yardage when they're ahead and pad their passing yardage when they're behind. (That's why many winning teams have gained lots of rushing yards and have allowed lots of passing yards, no matter how good or bad they are at either one.) The key stats to look at are efficiency and effectiveness. You brought up Dallas' YPC allowed and Larry Johnson's YPC. Well, in the NFL, rushing YPC has only a 31-percent correlation to winning, and rushing YPC allowed has only a 24-percent correlation. But passing yards per attempt has a 60-percent correlation to winning and passing YPA allowed has a 54-percent correlation. Taken as a net statistic, passing YPA has a 79-percent correlation to winning, while rushing YPC has a mere 33-percent correlation. And when you factor in other efficiency measures, net passing has an 84-percent correlation to winning.

As I said, in the NFL, passing and stopping the pass better than your opponent is almost always what wins games. Running effectively rarely does. If you think it's the opposite, you're simply mistaking cause and effect.

I thought we picked Brady off a record 4 times in a single game.

That makes the Chiefs' lack of interceptions in the other 11 games even more striking.

I must be mistaken. I thought we forced more turnovers than the Cowboys

Like I've said several times now, the Chiefs' defense is good at recovering fumbles. But they're among the worst at stopping teams from moving the ball and scoring.

 

[brokeback]

Very interesting stats. Predictably dodged. LOL

I didn't dodge it at all smart guy. I responded directly to that post. We're among the best in the NFL on 3rd down. We're the best at forcing fumbles. We're among the best at forcing turnovers. We've also given up a lot of scores. There's only been 1 game this year that the defense blew the game, though. We're also really starting to play well as of late.

 

[AdamJT13]

We're also really starting to play well as of late.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. If Dallas' defense had just given up 27 points and 388 yards, Cowboys fans would consider that a very poor performance. But in Kansas City, apparently, it's considered a step in the right direction. "Hey, our defense isn't terrible anymore!"

 

[brokeback]

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. If Dallas' defense had just given up 27 points and 388 yards, Cowboys fans would consider that a very poor performance. But in Kansas City, apparently, it's considered a step in the right direction. "Hey, our defense isn't terrible anymore!"

Apparently you're happier with losing. We've beat 2 division leaders in the last two weeks, and you're dogging us. How've the Cowboys fared during that span again? I'm assuming you won both games. 1 at the absolute minimum.

 

[TunaFan33]

Apparently you're happier with losing. We've beat 2 division leaders in the last two weeks, and you're dogging us. How've the Cowboys fared during that span again? I'm assuming you won both games. 1 at the absolute minimum.

Too bad your team isn't in the NFC. KC would be running away with Home Field by now.

Frankly-our conference STINKS. Sadly, San Diego, another darn good team in the NFL, may not even make the playoffs due to their brutal AFC schedule.

 

[brokeback]

I'd almost rather play Indy than San Diego. We match up as well as anyone against the Colts. The Chargers give us fits because we have no answer for Gates.
With the Colts, we can try to trade punches with them and hope for a couple turnovers. We blew them out last year even though they were the better team.

 

[AdamJT13]

Apparently you're happier with losing. We've beat 2 division leaders in the last two weeks, and you're dogging us. How've the Cowboys fared during that span again? I'm assuming you won both games. 1 at the absolute minimum.

Nobody's happy with losing. But we're talking about defenses, and ours unquestionably has been playing very well for the past nine games. Yours gets bailed out by your offense against Denver, and you proclaim it to be "really playing well" even though the Broncos piled up 27 points and 388 yards.

Your offense is better than ours, but our defense is better than yours. We'll see which one wins the game tomorrow.

 

[big dog cowboy]

With the Colts, we can try to trade punches with them and hope for a couple turnovers. We blew them out last year even though they were the better team.

Only because the year before they kicked your arse at home in January. Revenge game for the Chefs.

 

[Sarcastro]

Only because the year before they kicked your arse at home in January. Revenge game for the Chefs.

They didn't really kick our butts. The score at the end of the game was I think 38-31 Colts. The difference was Priest fumbling after he had a 50+ yard run.

 

[brokeback]

They didn't really kick our butts. The score at the end of the game was I think 38-31 Colts. The difference was Priest fumbling after he had a 50+ yard run.

And Johnny Morton dropping that wide open pass on 4th down...and Tony Gonzalez getting robbed on a TD that was called back for OPI. It wasn't an *** kicking. It was one of the greatest games in NFL history. Too bad it didn't turn out the way we hoped.

 

[superpunk]

Nobody's happy with losing. But we're talking about defenses, and ours unquestionably has been playing very well for the past nine games.

Exactly. They've been playing "great."