why didn't we pick Steven Jackson or Chris Johnson?

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Stautner;3644407 said:
Oh good, another guy who has it all figured out with the benefit of hindsight.


you should see me with the lottery picks on the next day. I call em all. I like to use the "I was going to pick those numbers" defense. But they dont let me do it.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3644208 said:
Jackson is for sure. I'll guarentee that right now. CJ is off to a VERYY good start.

Its certainly not laughable to consider either of them future HoF'ers. Just shows some people think their knowledge of the game is far superior to others here when clearly it is not. ha

Based on his stats today? Are you kidding?

He's not one of the alltime best, not by a long shot. Hall of Fame is supposed to mean "all time great" not "he's pretty good"
 

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why did we drafted Jim Jeffcoat instead of Dan Marino ?

Why did we drafted Doug Cosbie instead of Joe Montana ?

Why did we drafted Greg Ellis instead of Randy Moss ?

Why did we traded down and passed on Derrick Brooks ?

and here's another question:

Did you know that in 1981, the SF 49ers could have drafted Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary AND Howie Long with their first 3 picks ?

Why didn't they get all 3 instead of just Lott ?
 

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STSINAZ;3644045 said:
Didnt we pick Steven Jackson when we could have? what a beast he is...

Didn't we pick Chris Johnson when we could have?

Two future hall of famers that we let slip right through our hands!

Do you realize how good we would be with either of these guys right now!


did you say two future HOF? Both are a long way from that. :laugh2:
 
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bounce;3644347 said:
And Parcells made it clear that if they'd only had one first rounder in 2005, that Spears was his guy. So, we'd still have Spears, we would've just way overdrafted him.

And Jerry Jones is still the GM and still would've gotten Ware. We needed a pass rusher badly at that point, and Ware would've been the guy. I know Parcells wanted Spears at 11, but he wasn't the decision maker. All this hindsight stuff is pointless anyway.
 

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Joshmvii;3644443 said:
And Jerry Jones is still the GM and still would've gotten Ware. We needed a pass rusher badly at that point, and Ware would've been the guy. I know Parcells wanted Spears at 11, but he wasn't the decision maker. All this hindsight stuff is pointless anyway.

I doubt Parcells would have relented and drafted Ware had we had only the one pick. The war room story is Jones/Jones and co only swayed Parcells to pick Ware first by telling him they'd immediately start trading up to secure Spears, something that was verified live on draft day, that the Cowboys were indeed trying to trade up from 20. Luckily nobody accepted any of our trade up offers, and we got Spears at 20 anyway.

Parcells also wanted Dwayne Robertson over T Newman in 2003, but fortunately the Jets took him before we had a chance. So its not far fetched to think he'd pass on the dynamic player for the DL again.
 

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Randy White;3644432 said:
why did we drafted Jim Jeffcoat instead of Dan Marino ?

Why did we drafted Doug Cosbie instead of Joe Montana ?

Why did we drafted Greg Ellis instead of Randy Moss ?

Why did we traded down and passed on Derrick Brooks ?

and here's another question:

Did you know that in 1981, the SF 49ers could have drafted Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary AND Howie Long with their first 3 picks ?

Why didn't they get all 3 instead of just Lott ?

Other questions:

Why did 26 teams pass on dan Marino?

Why did 23 teams pass on Chris Johnson?

ANSWER TO ALL: It's not an exact science.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3644142 said:
Eh... Totally disagree. Every good back has vision and some ability to make people miss. Otherwise you're Tyson Thompson. And Felix has used those qualities to break many huge runs that have won games for us.

It's very strange to me that to so many people, these five games have nullified every good thing about this team and even the players.

I agree. It's like people have no memory or just don't really watch the games. It's almost comical. Why didn't we sign this guy or fix this or hire this guy. Here's the Better question! If all you Monday morning QB's are so freaking football intelligent then why don't you have a job in the NFL? Here's the answer. It's because most have no actual idea what they are talking about. Most wouldn't last a couple hours working for a highschool football team much less a NFL team. Just like the guy in this thread talking about it's all about sped and hitting the hole. I guess thaw why Adrian Peterson coaches, mainly Eric Bienemy, wanted him to focus on slowing down his year and allowing his blockers to get to the point of attack before he hits the hole. Geez people this stuff is getting absurd!!!!!
 

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Stautner;3644457 said:
Other questions:

Why did 26 teams pass on dan Marino?

Why did 23 teams pass on Chris Johnson?

ANSWER TO ALL: It's not an exact science.

None of those others matter, didnt you know? Only Dallas is stupid.

When other teams miss on those guys, its because their great front offices saw other areas of need.
 

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dbair1967;3644464 said:
None of those others matter, didnt you know? Only Dallas is stupid.

When other teams miss on those guys, its because their great front offices saw other areas of need.

Yeah, I've noticed that. Of course, we could go back and see who those other great front offices chose to fill those areas of need. Hall of Famers all, I'm sure.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3644150 said:
Funny that was the reason we gave for taking Felix and now when people talk about the two you hear that Johnson has more than superior speed, he has wiggle, which Felix has shown to have little of by the fact that he's having trouble making anyone miss a tackle against him.

Johnson is clearly a better overall RB, contrary to what some of you want to say. Its not a matter of situation. Saying Felix would likely be a Pro Bowl back for the Titans and CJ would be splitting carries here is just ridiculous. He's done nothing close to what CJ has done yet, and the reason Felix is splitting carries here is because he hasn't done anything to make anyone in the organization believe he's that much better than the other backs. You all in that "fantasy felix" group are assuming wayyy too much to make your claims justified. That doesn't quite do it for me.

Are you really that dense?

You think, given what you've seen from this coaching staff, that if CJ were here that magically this coaching staff would change the way they go about putting backs in? Are you seriously trying to float that idea here?

The situation has a HUGE thing to do with it. If CJ were here for the first 2+ years he'd have been getting 8-12 touches a game. Period. Just like Felix. Doesn't matter what they show. Felix has broken off big plays, on several occassions (Especially down the stretch last year) and it wasn't until 2 weeks ago that the staff started giving him the bulk of the carries.

And it's hilarious that you end your post with something about fantasy to justify your stance. You're living a fantasy if you think that the staff here would change how they do things that that position, or that they'd suddenly become a run first team, if they had CJ instead.

If we had CJ and they had Felix the real likely hood is that we'd all be sitting here wondering why CJ wasn't given more of a chance and people would be saying "Man why'd be pass on Felix", while the Titans were running their entire offense through him.

Totally different places, different staffs, and different approaches and they all make a HUGE difference.

That said CJ is the better back but if he were here no one would actually know it.

Cause this staff wouldn't be using him the way that the Titans are.



RoyTheHammer;3644181 said:
Honestly? Its that outrageous to you? You really can't see CJ being a future hall of famer? Or Jackson? Really..

If they stay healthy, and play a long time, no. It's not.

HOwever this is the NFL and they're both one carry away from a destroyed knee and being done for good.

So, yeah, way to early.


RoyTheHammer;3644250 said:
He's been one of the best running backs in the league every year for a team with ZERO other offense. He does it against 8 and 9 man fronts CONSTANTLY because everyone knows he's the only threat on that team.

He's already passed Dickerson as their all time leading rusher and shows no signs of slowing down, and should get more open field to work with as they get better as a team now.


And he could go out and blow his knee to pieces on his first carry Sunday and never play again, or play piss poor the rest of his career.

You assume too much.
 

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Stautner;3644457 said:
Other questions:

Why did 26 teams pass on dan Marino?

Why did 23 teams pass on Chris Johnson?

ANSWER TO ALL: It's not an exact science.

Maybe that is why Montana was not drafted until the 3rd rd. :laugh2:
 

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Stautner;3644457 said:
Other questions:

Why did 26 teams pass on dan Marino?

Why did 23 teams pass on Chris Johnson?

ANSWER TO ALL: It's not an exact science.

:hammer:
 

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Steven Jackson has little chance to make it to the HOF. Getting 12,000 yards is no longer a sure ticket. Even if he does make it.

He has never had any great seasons. He has had some very good ones but never great. CJ has a much better chance simply because he did what only three other RBs have ever done which is go over 2000 in a season.
 

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I love how people say we should have drafted Chris Johnson and all would be well, as if they know Chris Johnson would be equally productive in Dallas or getting a lion's share of the carries.

It only brings out the equally dumb counterargument that Johnson would be buried on the bench, not getting carries, Felix would be the one going off, etc.

The fact is this: NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA of what would have actually happened if we drafted Johnson and Jones was in Tenn. Pretending that you have some keen insight into how history would actually play out is laughable.

We don't know. And we'll never know.

We have Jones; they have Johnson.

That's the end of it.
 

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Vintage;3644498 said:
I love how people say we should have drafted Chris Johnson and all would be well, as if they know Chris Johnson would be equally productive in Dallas or getting a lion's share of the carries.

It only brings out the equally dumb counterargument that Johnson would be buried on the bench, not getting carries, Felix would be the one going off, etc.

The fact is this: NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA of what would have actually happened if we drafted Johnson and Jones was in Tenn. Pretending that you have some keen insight into how history would actually play out is laughable.

We don't know. And we'll never know.

We have Jones; they have Johnson.

That's the end of it.

Dont be trying to infuse logic here, too many CZ-ers dont grasp logical concepts.
 

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casmith07;3644138 said:
Parcells was an idiot.
:laugh2: And Payton Manning is overrated and Tom Brady is a choker. Oh, and Ray Lewis is a pansy.
 

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burmafrd;3644490 said:
Steven Jackson has little chance to make it to the HOF. Getting 12,000 yards is no longer a sure ticket. Even if he does make it.

He has never had any great seasons. He has had some very good ones but never great. CJ has a much better chance simply because he did what only three other RBs have ever done which is go over 2000 in a season.

I don't know that it's fair to say Jackson has little chance, although I agree that he doesn't have a great chance either. He has enough of a start that he has a chance, but his problem is that he hasn't proven to be able to stay healthy. He's only managed to start 16 games once in his career. Being on a bad team hurts too.

I agree about the great season helping CJ's chances, but it's still way too early to start calling him anything close to a lock.
 

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I wonder if the OP thinks Edgerrin James is HOF material? How about Corey Dillon? Jackson is years away from their numbers...And they are considered borderline...
 
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