Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

[T-RO]

"Yards are yards?" Uh no.. they really aren't.

Yes, yes they really are.

I bet if we had Kyle Shanahan coachin our offense we would be even better.

Shanahan is not for hire. For grins the comparison:

2022: Moore's offense > Shanahan's offense in yards and points
2021: Moore's offense > Shanahan's offense in yards and points

(Don't get my wrong, I'd love Kyle Shanahan as HC in Dallas)

 

[john van brocklin]

Let's summarize so far the haters nonsense:

--Moore runs the ball both too much AND not enough
--Moore is too cute with "bizarre plays" AND yet also lacks creativity.
--Moore's offense is scoring, but it's "too fast" (Chiefs and Bills say hello)



Dak would be in the hall of fame if only he had a better OC. Dak the hero can rise above his tormentor and limiter, the villain Moore.



Nobody runs Power I anymore. Maybe it could work, but none of the smart guys in the league are using it.

Gotta be some alternative to Garrett 2.0

 

[Pentagruel]

we are still waiting for Kellen to get an offer to coach another team .

Not a single offer ?! .. Everyone in the NFL is dumb, i suppose .

Just because Moore is not necessarily ready for a head coaching job doesn’t mean he isn’t doing an excellent job as an OC. Being the man in charge requires many other skills and attributes then designing an offense; man management, leadership, more organizational skills, charisma, overall vision for the franchise… I expect many franchises feel he falls short in those areas or at least lacks the coaching experience to be fully trusted as a head coach. I suspect it won’t be long however until someone takes a shot and we will find out. Though there is room for criticism on the job Kellen Moore has done during his tenure, this is absolutely no cogent argument that you can make which supports he has done a terrible job.

 

[T-RO]

Gotta be some alternative to Garrett 2.0

Garrett and Moore have very, very little in common in their systems and philosophies. Closer to opposites.

 

[john van brocklin]

Garrett and Moore have very, very little in common in their systems and philosophies. Closer to opposites.

That's great, they look similar to my amateur eyes.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Kellen's brilliance hasn't gotten us a post season win ...

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Look at this amazing Kellens offense stats :

#20 in pass yards
#3 in interceptions
#22 in passes over 40+ yards
#23 in passes over 20+ yards
#14 in YPC per run
#12 in 1st down %

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

... he has done a terrible job.

there , i edited your post .

your welcome.

 

[T-RO]

That's great, they look similar to my amateur eyes.

Moore vs. Garrett (my opinion)
-Garrett was hopelessly risk-averse. Moore is aggressive.
-Garrett rarely used misdirection. Moore uses it generously.
-Garrett didn't place premium value on WR/TE blocking. Moore gets it.
-Garrett loved quick lateral passes to WRs. Moore almost never runs them (thank God)
-Would Garrett have used McGovern as a fullback and tight end? Of course not.
-Remember those 2-yards passes to Witten? Moore's offense pushes ball down field.

As for results? Garrett isn't close
Without a top five QB Moore's offenses NFL scoring rankings:
2022: 3rd (1st since Dak's return)
2021: 1st

 

[Pantone282C]

Dak fans want Kellen Moore fired everytime Dak struggles.
They don't want to admit Dak struggles so they call for Moore to be fired.
They want Cooper Rush to be traded and delegated to a practice squad for a team that will cut him and have him never be heard from again.
They will cut Ezekiel Elliot's and Tony Pollard's throats if it has to be done to give Dak credit.
And they will blame the entire offensive line if Dak struggles.
That's why.

??????!

 

[Bullflop]

Some like him, while others don't. It happens!

The same always holds true for Dak Prescott.

Fans here at Cowboys Zone are far from shy!

 

[75boyz]

Agendas run deep in the attempt to protect an agenda.
In the mind of an immature supporter, any number of scapegoats will be rationalized to the extreme in order to justify one's actions.

Basic psych 101 and the foundation which so many stand on.
In the name of protecting(insert Kellen's, Dak's, McCheese's or Jerry's name here) and it's a basic back and forth ping pong match of one extreme against the other on full display regardless of person or thing being supported or criticized here.

 

[mmohican29]

In totality- Moore's Offense is good. Very good.

But his situational play calling is horrific.

 

[ConstantReboot]

People may not like Moore but the results speak for itself. Sure he isn't perfect. But I like the way the offense is runned and I don't mind the pass heavy attack when we need to rely on the pass.

I still think the run plays are too basic and predictable. I especially don't like that he leaves the backside open on these plays which allows the defense to shot through the gaps. But all in all, he isn't that bad.

 

[nobody]

Dak fans want Kellen Moore fired everytime Dak struggles.
They don't want to admit Dak struggles so they call for Moore to be fired.
They want Cooper Rush to be traded and delegated to a practice squad for a team that will cut him and have him never be heard from again.
They will cut Ezekiel Elliot's and Tony Pollard's throats if it has to be done to give Dak credit.
And they will blame the entire offensive line if Dak struggles.
That's why.

I call out Dak when he struggles and messes up. Some of Dak's struggles are a direct result of Moore's play designs and play calling. Some of it isn't. Both have their flaws and strengths. But designing your plays where all of the receiver routes develop at the same time is amateurishly stupid. It makes it unnecessarily hard on a QB to go through processions fast enough, so it looks like he's staring down receivers or ignoring open ones. He sort of has to because he just doesn't have the time. Moore's situational awareness and Garrett-like tendency to sometimes move away from what's working is frustrating.

Would Moore's system work with a QB with different strengths? Likely. Would Dak excel in a different system? Likely. Come the playoffs, we'll probably see more of the same failures and for the same reasons. Which is it harder to find, a competent OC or a good QB? In my opinion it's QB. Moore was simply promoted way too early by Jones (we saw this dance with Garrett and how that turned out). Dak's under a contract that makes us keep him a couple more seasons and has a no trade clause. Moore does not.

Rush did very well for a backup, but a franchise QB he is not. I was worried about him being the backup when the season started. He amazed though... I'm fine keeping him as a backup now. Zeke and Pollard are a great tandem and I really hope we can keep both next season. Some of the O-line's struggles are because Dak holds the ball too long. Some is because the O-line sometimes struggles. Some is because Moore's receiver routes take too long to develop and they all develop at the same time, forcing Dak to hold the ball as the receivers fight to get open. That happens when your playbook is ultra predictable. Why do certain plays always start from an empty backfield? Why are there no attempts to disguise things? That's on play-calling and play design...period.

 

[T-RO]

In totality- Moore's Offense is good. Very good.

But his situational play calling is horrific.

In other words...Moore's results are utterly elite...but some plays fail. What a revelation: some plays fail. Who could have guessed?

Superior production yet no perfection, putting critics in....

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Who's next? Step right up. Your turn to give us a laugh.

 

[Nexx]

Easy. Dakazoids use all sorts of excuses when Dak plays poorly but their number one crutch is Moore. If the offense plays well it’s because of Dak and not because anything Moore did.

 

[MRV52]

Because Moore is the clappers son.

 

[T-RO]

If you live in the NFL Garden-of-Eden-of-offensive-production...as Dallas currently does...yet choose rebellion...seek to overthrow, burn-it-down...because you know better...tell s-s-s-slippery stories

Who/What are you?

Agent-Of-A-Fall-Cast-Down

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm sorry facts got in the way, but 30 other NFL teams are worse at scoring TDs in the red zone. Try another argument.

First, we're not talking about other teams. We're talking about the Cowboys.
Second, we convert one field goal into a touchdown, we're not going into overtime with the Jags. This has happened on other occasions too.

 

[75boyz]

Dak fans want Kellen Moore fired everytime Dak struggles.
They don't want to admit Dak struggles so they call for Moore to be fired.
They want Cooper Rush to be traded and delegated to a practice squad for a team that will cut him and have him never be heard from again.
They will cut Ezekiel Elliot's and Tony Pollard's throats if it has to be done to give Dak credit.
And they will blame the entire offensive line if Dak struggles.
That's why.

Yep. Really this simple.
Today's scapegoat Moore is yesterday's oline. Or defense. Or injuries. Or Zeke.

The hot potato blame game has stopped on Moore this year and many long time SleepNumber crew are dug in their personal foxhole.

The contradiction of the play call and the person in charge of executing that play call is more important.
As a matter of fact it's the most important decision being made by the QB in real time.
REGARDLESS of the play call, this is the unfortunate truth that the film keeps showing of errant throws, not running when opening is there, or even running out of bounds to stop the clock so the opponent keeps a time out.

Ya know, just basic football situational awareness and decision making errors. Kellen can't control that. But THAT is the problem.

Additionally, pretty much everything Direwolf63 has posted thus far on this OP as well.