Why do many on this board want Kellen Moore fired?

[FTWayne]

Because every play he calls isn't a touchdown. We don't care how the execution of the play was carried out. whatever.

 

[Cebrin]

Your words ring hollow. I can say anything with zero info to support it.

Here... It is Quinns pathetic play calling that is killing our defense.

It's not hollow. Weeks 9-17 show an obvious uptick in passing vs running. This happens when we play good run defenses. Which is fine, but he still calls these drawn out designs that make Dak have to go thru 4 or 5 progressions before throwing the ball. He is really bad at adjusting to what the defense is doing, and once we're on our heels it's even worse. Instead of 2 TE sets, play-action etc we just go 5 wide and make it obvious. I'm not saying he's an awful coordinator, I just think this offense could be better with a more experienced coach. Take that for whatever.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Kellens offense stats :

#20 in pass yards

#3 in interceptions

#22 in passes over 40+ yards

#23 in passes over 20+ yards

#14 in YPC per run

#12 in 1st down %


why cherry pick stats that Kellen is doing good at ?

the bottom line is WATCH THE GAMES, stats are easy to mis interpret.

If you WATCH THE GAMES, you will understand why Kellen has no offers by other teams, and has no offers by college teams.

Yet these fans see us score 40 points and think we're doing well, get real!! Great post sir

 

[Coogiguy03]

He doesn't need replacing, he needs advisement, coaching up. I have no idea how you got to replacing him. Why do you think he needs replacing?

Is he allowed to be advised that's the question

 

[Kingofholland]

Makes so sense to me. The team is averaging 36 points per game since Dak got back and he was rusty against Detroit. The team is averaging 28.1 points overall with Dak and Rush combined. I don't get it. Is he perfect. No. But you show me one OC that is. He is an excellent OC in my opinion.

Think about this. The Cowboys just dropped 40 points on a top 2 defense. Let that sink in.

He's just been very inconsistent, not always understanding the run game, rb screens, and WR route/ play design can be head scratching.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Like our SHOULD BE!
We leave a lot of drives with 3s instead of 6s.

I call it field goal fest

 

[RonnieT24]

Dallas is 2nd in all NFL in Red Zone Scoring percentage. Might not be what you think works--but it does.


If you think this team has top 3 offensive weapons....your opinion is living on a deserted island.

I think as a collective a top 5-10 QB, a top 5-10 WR, a top 3 RB tandem and a top 5 Oline gives you no worse than top 5 talent overall. That talent will boat race crappy defenses and struggle against good ones. Thing is, most everybody struggles against good defenses.. That's why they call 'em good defenses. What you can't do is go from 45 points against a chump defense to struggling to put up 17 against good defenses. The swings cannot be that drastic. That's why what Dak and Co. pulled off against Philly was so encouraging. That's a good defense.. and maybe the best pass defense in the league fronted but either the best or second best pass rush in the league. To hang 40 on that bunch was impressive. Yes scores came off short fields from turnovers.. but the rest had to be earned. If they show the capability to do that to another top shelf defense.. say Washington, then I will feel a lot better about their chances in the playoffs.. and a lot better about Kellen Moore.

 

[RonnieT24]

Yes, yes they really are.




Shanahan is not for hire. For grins the comparison:

2022: Moore's offense > Shanahan's offense in yards and points
2021: Moore's offense > Shanahan's offense in yards and points

(Don't get my wrong, I'd love Kyle Shanahan as HC in Dallas)

If you truly believe that then will never see eye to eye on how football is meant to be played and there's nothing further for us to discuss.

 

[Bullflop]

Why do so many people here want Kellen fired? Let's put it this way -- if it weren't for him, it would just be someone else!

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Yet these fans see us score 40 points and think we're doing well, get real!! Great post sir

thanks ,

Just look at his results :

#20 in pass yards

#3 in interceptions

#22 in passes over 40+ yards

#23 in passes over 20+ yards

#14 in YPC per run

#12 in 1st down %


we are so far behind in passes over 20+ and 40+ in the league table, it just adds to "Kellen is a terrible playcaller ."

 

[G2]

This forum is a Collection Pond for knee jerk reactions.

 

[Cowboys0988]

Good stuff.

I'm not nearly as versed w/ the Xs and Os as you are, but the stuff I see is maddening. Forcing 30-40 yard passes for no reason. Running out of the shotgun way too much. Throwing long passes on 2nd/3rd and short.

I honestly don't think KMo understands what long drives does to the opposing team, and the negative effects quick scoring can have on your team. ATL found out in the super bowl vs NE. I don't think their D could've stopped a HS team in the 4th. That was actually a good D, and they were completely gassed.

Like you said, a feel for the game/situation/personnel appears to be just lacking in his mind.

2nd and short is when you should go for a big play... If not then, when?

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Don't forget calling shotgun plays with long slow developing routes on A 3RD AND 1 !!!!!!!


jeez !!

 

[Coogiguy03]

thanks ,

Just look at his results :

#20 in pass yards

#3 in interceptions

#22 in passes over 40+ yards

#23 in passes over 20+ yards

#14 in YPC per run

#12 in 1st down %


we are so far behind in passes over 20+ and 40+ in the league table, it just adds to "Kellen is a terrible playcaller ."

Couldn't have said it better

 

[blueblood70]

It's not hollow. Weeks 9-17 show an obvious uptick in passing vs running. This happens when we play good run defenses. Which is fine, but he still calls these drawn out designs that make Dak have to go thru 4 or 5 progressions before throwing the ball. He is really bad at adjusting to what the defense is doing, and once we're on our heels it's even worse. Instead of 2 TE sets, play-action etc we just go 5 wide and make it obvious. I'm not saying he's an awful coordinator, I just think this offense could be better with a more experienced coach. Take that for whatever.

however, for the season nearly even in run vs pass balance and well having 2 RBs close to 1k shuts that debate down..ie doesn't run enough,, hmm they have to call plays in situational football not shut good run ds, its being down 10 twice against the eagles, other games behind the chains with high penalty games, 3rd and long well you get it.

 

[blueblood70]

thanks ,

Just look at his results :

#20 in pass yards

#3 in interceptions

#22 in passes over 40+ yards

#23 in passes over 20+ yards

#14 in YPC per run

#12 in 1st down %


we are so far behind in passes over 20+ and 40+ in the league table, it just adds to "Kellen is a terrible playcaller ."

stats dont matter, remember? =we had Rush in at QB for 5 games accounts for a lot of those missing yards,. we have 2 RBs close to 1k each.. over 36 PPG since daks return. Nothing more needs to address.

why do we need to be MORE pass happy? LMAO?? i dont know of any offense that is built for just running deep balls all game.. if you dont need it as one of the top offenses in the league and can score , not many situations where you want to throw a high risk low comp% type plays.. make zero sense..

you want a circus type offense, where most want a heavy run or balanced , PA pass type offense. we score dude , we are beating teams, 11-4 a with 2 OT loses with big leads that were blown ... not any reason to just huck up deep balls to satisfy fans?? lmao..right ok
that would only make KM more criticized to just go 4 Wides and huck up bombs all game .

 

[blueblood70]

I think as a collective a top 5-10 QB, a top 5-10 WR, a top 3 RB tandem and a top 5 Oline gives you no worse than top 5 talent overall. That talent will boat race crappy defenses and struggle against good ones. Thing is, most everybody struggles against good defenses.. That's why they call 'em good defenses. What you can't do is go from 45 points against a chump defense to struggling to put up 17 against good defenses. The swings cannot be that drastic. That's why what Dak and Co. pulled off against Philly was so encouraging. That's a good defense.. and maybe the best pass defense in the league fronted but either the best or second best pass rush in the league. To hang 40 on that bunch was impressive. Yes scores came off short fields from turnovers.. but the rest had to be earned. If they show the capability to do that to another top shelf defense.. say Washington, then I will feel a lot better about their chances in the playoffs.. and a lot better about Kellen Moore.

correct, Happens to all teams...

 

[terra]

Because every play he calls isn't a touchdown. We don't care how the execution of the play was carried out. whatever.

so its all the players fault?
wow talk about none so blind they will not see

 

[McKDaddy]

I like a lot of what he does, but he desperately needs a voice in his ear teaching him some very basic very important stuff.

About as simple as it could be stated. There needs to be some "moderation" to how he views the game.

 

[terra]

Don't forget calling shotgun plays with long slow developing routes on A 3RD AND 1 !!!!!!!


jeez !!

Slow developing ANYTHING is a bad idea. The more time you give the D the worse it is.