CFZ Why do people keep saying Dak has to play great 4 straight games in the playoffs?

[visionary]

Fine, so I was half right at worst. Bradshaw was before my time so I won't argue that one.

Sounds like I do know "some football."

not really
Eli is the only one you can point to in the last 30-35 years of NFL as an above average QB who went to or won more than 1 DB and even he played way way over his head . If he had played his usual level the Giants lose
That’s the point, great and consistent QB play is by far the best predictor of getting a chance at SBs so the question posted by Ronnie who is the second most idiotic Dak apologist on this board is totally moronic
Can we win a SB with Dak? Yes, it’s possible but he will have to play great football for 4 consecutive games

 

[blueblood70]

We're looking for Dak to play at least one great playoff game.
Once he's done that, then other expectations can be considered.
It's really that simple, isn't it!!

IMO rookie year we lost over AR12 and bad defense.. Dak and our offense showed up like they did ALL that season. that was great game came back like 3 times in that game..defense let them down AS USUAL, OL penalty's, defense suspect pay calls i mean get over iot its Team Game. Hard to play great when your OL has 11 penalty's, no holes to run through, pressured 50% of the drop backs , defense giving up 4 straight scores and debo eating them up that first drive owning TOP

i mean do you watch games?

rams 18 game similar damn issues! 250 yard rushing game .. right Dak should've stepped up through that mine field and won with no help.

 

[Cowboys1966]

How many QBs have had 4 straight perfect games in the playoffs. People need to accept that playoff defenses are typically badasses. Qbs almost never got to town in every game in the playoffs. Some completely poop the bed but get bailed out by other aspects of their team. Anybody remember Ruthlessraper's 27 passer rating in his first Super Bowl win? How about Brady's INTs on three consecutive possessions in the NFC Championship two years ago? Or better yet is 71 passer rating performance against the Rams in 2018? Or how about his classic 150 yard "masterpiece" in his first Super Bowl agaisnt the Rams? Or maybe Mahomes 78 passer rating with 2 INT performance against the 49ers while WINNING the Super Bowl?

I really wish people would move off this whole "This QB can carry his team" kick. It's just not true and I'm really getting tired of hearing it. Nobody is carrying 47 other guys. I really get sick of the media constantly foisting this brain dead narrative upon us. Yes the QB is the most important player on the team.. I get that.. but he aint winnin jack without some help. It's disrespectful to those 47 other guys to keep acting like they play no part in their teams' fortunes.

At the end of the day the Cowboys TEAM will need to play 4 straight great games to win it all. Dak is part of that team.. however he alone will not win or lose any game. Why is that such a hard reality for some to accept?

I don’t think he has to play great for some arbitrary number of games in a row. But how about not make stupid decisions for more than a couple games in a row.

Dumb football players make dumb plays… Dumb plays cost you games.

 

[Rockport]

LOL. I knew it. I knew you wouldn't read what I said. I'll challenge you with this (even though I know you wont because it's too easy {and lazy} for you to just throw out the term "hater" when there is no hating going on.): Go back and see where I was hating. Post it here. Where was I acting like the trolls/haters here. You really wont find much because I don't hate Dak. Does he need to improve? Yes. Is he good enough to win it all as he is right now? You bet he is. Would a hater say that? No. But its just too easy for you to call someone a hater versus bringing up actual football talking points to further your position. Like I said earlier, on other parts of this team you actually make good points but with Dak, there is no reasoning with you. You are a hater @Rockport. You're blind hatred of the haters has clouded your thinking. Just own it.

I admit I hate the haters.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I enjoy trolling the trolls from time to time.. Sue me..

Nah....its all good. We're all here just passing time and having fun. Well.....most of us havin fun anyway.

 

[RonnieT24]

Nah....its all good. We're all here just passing time and having fun. Well.....most of us havin fun anyway.

Yeah in a twisted way even the ones who just come here to crap on the team are having fun.. I guess..

 

[Nav22]

not really
Eli is the only one you can point to in the last 30-35 years of NFL as an above average QB who went to or won more than 1 DB and even he played way way over his head . If he had played his usual level the Giants lose
That’s the point, great and consistent QB play is by far the best predictor of getting a chance at SBs so the question posted by Ronnie who is the second most idiotic Dak apologist on this board is totally moronic
Can we win a SB with Dak? Yes, it’s possible but he will have to play great football for 4 consecutive games

Did Peyton Manning play "great" during his 2 Super Bowl runs?

No? Oh. Then you're still wrong.

Peyton's numbers were average during his 2 Super Bowl runs, and it was actually his defense that played elite football.

That's what it REALLY takes: elite defense.

Maybe YOU were impressed by the mighty 17 points Eli Manning led the 2007 Giants to... against maybe the best offense in NFL history.

Those of us who know football know that the Giants defense holding Tom Brady, Randy Moss and the 18-0 Patriots to a measly 14 points was the biggest reason they won.

 

[RonnieT24]

Did Peyton Manning play "great" during his 2 Super Bowl runs?

No? Oh. Then you're still wrong.

Peyton's numbers were average during his 2 Super Bowl runs, and it was actually his defense that played elite football.

That's what it REALLY takes: elite defense.

Maybe YOU were impressed by the mighty 17 points Eli Manning led the 2007 Giants to... against maybe the best offense in NFL history.

Those of us who know football know that the Giants defense holding Tom Brady, Randy Moss and the 18-0 Patriots to a measly 14 points was the biggest reason they won.

Nope it was Eli's close your eyes and heave it down the middle of the field so Tyree could pin the ball on his helmet that won the game.. None of that other stuff even mattered..

 

[offlimits]

How many QBs have had 4 straight perfect games in the playoffs. People need to accept that playoff defenses are typically badasses. Qbs almost never got to town in every game in the playoffs. Some completely poop the bed but get bailed out by other aspects of their team. Anybody remember Ruthlessraper's 27 passer rating in his first Super Bowl win? How about Brady's INTs on three consecutive possessions in the NFC Championship two years ago? Or better yet is 71 passer rating performance against the Rams in 2018? Or how about his classic 150 yard "masterpiece" in his first Super Bowl agaisnt the Rams? Or maybe Mahomes 78 passer rating with 2 INT performance against the 49ers while WINNING the Super Bowl?

I really wish people would move off this whole "This QB can carry his team" kick. It's just not true and I'm really getting tired of hearing it. Nobody is carrying 47 other guys. I really get sick of the media constantly foisting this brain dead narrative upon us. Yes the QB is the most important player on the team.. I get that.. but he aint winnin jack without some help. It's disrespectful to those 47 other guys to keep acting like they play no part in their teams' fortunes.

At the end of the day the Cowboys TEAM will need to play 4 straight great games to win it all. Dak is part of that team.. however he alone will not win or lose any game. Why is that such a hard reality for some to accept?

Not sure who you are referring to but Dak doesen't have to be "perfect" but he MUST minimize his mistakes and protect the ball. You are correct. It takes the entire squad to make a long run in the playoffs.

 

[Nav22]

Yeah in a twisted way even the ones who just come here to crap on the team are having fun.. I guess..

More like trying to cope with their own miserable lives by trying to drag everyone else down with them.

That's why Dak's salary has them SO MAD... even though it's actually right in line with the market and his performance.

 

[visionary]

Did Peyton Manning play "great" during his 2 Super Bowl runs?

No? Oh. Then you're still wrong.

Peyton's numbers were average during his 2 Super Bowl runs, and it was actually his defense that played elite football.

That's what it REALLY takes: elite defense.

Maybe YOU were impressed by the mighty 17 points Eli Manning led the 2007 Giants to... against maybe the best offense in NFL history.

Those of us who know football know that the Giants defense holding Tom Brady, Randy Moss and the 18-0 Patriots to a measly 14 points was the biggest reason they won.

Problem is that you Dak jock sniffers are so busy making preemptive excuses threads for the fact that you think he will bomb that you can’t see the facts

let’s boil it down to simple stuff

give me 3 QBs who have been to (not won, I’ll give you that much) more than one SB in the FA era (that’s 30 years) that was not elite

I’ll give you Eli
Give me 2 more

THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA FIR POST SEASON SUCCESS IS GREAT QB PLAY

the fact is that with a QB like Dak who is inconsistent between his interceptions and fumbles, you can catch lightning in a bottle if you get really lucky one year (like Ravens) but you won’t ever get there again

he can be 3/1 ratio one night and have 2 turnovers and 1 TD the next and against teams like 49ers or Philly or Bills or Chiefs it will get you knocked out

it is the reality even though you want to bury your head in sand

 

[Nav22]

Problem is that you Dak jock sniffers are so busy making preemptive excuses threads for the fact that you think he will bomb that you can’t see the facts

let’s boil it down to simple stuff

give me 3 QBs who have been to (not won, I’ll give you that much) more than one SB in the FA era (that’s 30 years) that was not elite

I’ll give you Eli
Give me 2 more

THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA FIR POST SEASON SUCCESS IS GREAT QB PLAY

the fact is that with a QB like Dak who is inconsistent between his interceptions and fumbles, you can catch lightning in a bottle if you get really lucky one year (like Ravens) but you won’t ever get there again

he can be 3/1 ratio one night and have 2 turnovers and 1 TD the next and against teams like 49ers or Philly or Bills or Chiefs it will get you knocked out

it is the reality even though you want to bury your head in sand

So not a peep about the fact that Peyton Manning didn't play "great for 4 games" for either of his 2 Super Bowl wins?

Who cares that Peyton was an elite QB if he didn't play elite football during his Super Bowl runs???? He played average football and the Colts/Broncos defense played great... defense wins championships.

You're just trying to justify your weird stance that Dak's somehow not good enough to do what MANY QBs worse than him have done.

Which is why you're using "2 or more Super Bowls" as opposed to 1, because you know damn well that NFL history is littered with average QBs who have been to a Super Bowl or won it all.

Oh, and Dak has never "bombed" in the playoffs. He played fine vs the 49ers, but the Cowboys got DESTROYED in the trenches (guess who our leading rusher was?) and the Cowboys committed 14 penalties.

Maybe one day you'll learn about factors other than the QB position that leads to wins and losses in the playoffs. Unless you actually think Jimmy Garoppolo and Matt Stafford were better QBs than Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott last season.

NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs ranked Dak as a top 10 QB this past offseason... SURELY you know more than ALL of them though, right????

 

[visionary]

So not a peep about the fact that Peyton Manning didn't play "great for 4 games" for either of his 2 Super Bowl wins?

Who cares that Peyton was an elite QB if he didn't play elite football during his Super Bowl runs???? He played average football and the Colts/Broncos defense played great... defense wins championships.

You're just trying to justify your weird stance that Dak's somehow not good enough to do what MANY QBs worse than him have done.

Which is why you're using "2 or more Super Bowls" as opposed to 1, because you know damn well that NFL history is littered with average QBs who have been to a Super Bowl or won it all.

Oh, and Dak has never "bombed" in the playoffs. He played fine vs the 49ers, but the Cowboys got DESTROYED in the trenches (guess who our leading rusher was?) and the Cowboys committed 14 penalties.

Maybe one day you'll learn about factors other than the QB position that leads to wins and losses in the playoffs. Unless you actually think Jimmy Garoppolo and Matt Stafford were better QBs than Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott last season.

NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs ranked Dak as a top 10 QB this past offseason... SURELY you know more than ALL of them though, right????

so, nothing?
I thought so

 

[Nav22]

so, nothing?
I thought so

Exactly, you have NOTHING.

Top 10 QB according to players, coaches, scouts and execs.

Cope.

 

[Wangchung83]

So not a peep about the fact that Peyton Manning didn't play "great for 4 games" for either of his 2 Super Bowl wins?

Who cares that Peyton was an elite QB if he didn't play elite football during his Super Bowl runs???? He played average football and the Colts/Broncos defense played great... defense wins championships.

You're just trying to justify your weird stance that Dak's somehow not good enough to do what MANY QBs worse than him have done.

Which is why you're using "2 or more Super Bowls" as opposed to 1, because you know damn well that NFL history is littered with average QBs who have been to a Super Bowl or won it all.

Oh, and Dak has never "bombed" in the playoffs. He played fine vs the 49ers, but the Cowboys got DESTROYED in the trenches (guess who our leading rusher was?) and the Cowboys committed 14 penalties.

Maybe one day you'll learn about factors other than the QB position that leads to wins and losses in the playoffs. Unless you actually think Jimmy Garoppolo and Matt Stafford were better QBs than Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott last season.

NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs ranked Dak as a top 10 QB this past offseason... SURELY you know more than ALL of them though, right????

who in that average list of QBs took up greater than 10% of cap space and has an offense taking up 70% of cap space? I’ll wait bc I guarantee there aren’t many bc the defense would need to pick up slack and no team would expect the defense to carry it offense a/o investing in it.

 

[Nav22]

who in that average list of QBs took up greater than 10% of cap space and has an offense taking up 70% of cap space? I’ll wait bc I guarantee there aren’t many bc the defense would need to pick up slack and no team would expect the defense to carry it offense a/o investing in it.

I don't know because I'm not a salary cap historian.

What you described is a front office problem, not a QB problem.

Nobody downgrades at QB just to save money. If you have a top 10 QB you pay him, and thank your lucky stars that you have him. And if you can build a great defense to pair with that great QB, you've got a legit contender.

 

[BoysForLife]

Maybe YOU were impressed by the mighty 17 points Eli Manning led the 2007 Giants to... against maybe the best offense in NFL history.

Those of us who know football know that the Giants defense holding Tom Brady, Randy Moss and the 18-0 Patriots to a measly 14 points was the biggest reason they won.

I agree with you on the Giants defense. They were the difference especially in 07.
That said--disregarding Eli is something you have gone bonkers for Dak's detractors doing.
in the two Giants Super Bowl Runs (both 4 game runs, as they were WC teams both years) Eli threw for 250 or over in 6 of those 8 games and all told for the 8 games threw 15 TD passes to only 2 picks in their 2 Super Bowl runs.

if Dak did that and somebody basically called him window dressing, you would go out of your mind calling them a "hater".
Yet Eli does it and you dismiss him as a jag who got lucky.

Not going to call you any names, just going to toss that out there for your consideration. You are doing the same thing that you disparage others for. Just found that kind of interesting.

 

[KJJ]

With the defense the Cowboys currently have Dak is going to have to play close to perfect in the playoffs to overcome it.

 

[visionary]

I agree with you on the Giants defense. They were the difference especially in 07.
That said--disregarding Eli is something you have gone bonkers for Dak's detractors doing.
in the two Giants Super Bowl Runs (both 4 game runs, as they were WC teams both years) Eli threw for 250 or over in 6 of those 8 games and all told for the 8 games threw 15 TD passes to only 2 picks in their 2 Super Bowl runs.

if Dak did that and somebody basically called him window dressing, you would go out of your mind calling them a "hater".
Yet Eli does it and you dismiss him as a jag who got lucky.

Not going to call you any names, just going to toss that out there for your consideration. You are doing the same thing that you disparage others for. Just found that kind of interesting.

Ouch! That will leave a mark but don’t expect an intelligent response

 

[Nav22]

I agree with you on the Giants defense. They were the difference especially in 07.
That said--disregarding Eli is something you have gone bonkers for Dak's detractors doing.
in the two Giants Super Bowl Runs (both 4 game runs, as they were WC teams both years) Eli threw for 250 or over in 6 of those 8 games and all told for the 8 games threw 15 TD passes to only 2 picks in their 2 Super Bowl runs.

if Dak did that and somebody basically called him window dressing, you would go out of your mind calling them a "hater".
Yet Eli does it and you dismiss him as a jag who got lucky.

Not going to call you any names, just going to toss that out there for your consideration. You are doing the same thing that you disparage others for. Just found that kind of interesting.

That's fair. I don't think Eli played particularly well in that first Super Bowl, but he did play well overall in the games leading up to it.

The main issue with Eli is that he spent the VAST majority of his career as an average QB. But he's a 2x champ and 2x SB MVP. Resume is what matters.

He did do his part during those 8 playoff games/2 Super Bowl runs.