CFZ Why do people keep saying Dak has to play great 4 straight games in the playoffs?

[foofighters]

You can’t be serious.

I am serious. Outside of the garbage network show and the hardcore trolls here, who is saying it? You and others like you get all bent out of shape when anyone tries to speak about x's and o's. I could talk about Dak's pick six and how that throw was the same as the one he missed with Pollard at the end of the game. If he puts a little touch on either ball, there is not pick six and we get a decent gain from that one. Pollard might have scored on the other. I do think we scored on the drive with Pollard miss but it was the same throw. Then there's the Dak non-slide at the end of the game where he went out of bounce. He had a few mental lapses in otherwise pretty darn good performance otherwise by him. However, all you're going to concentrate on is the fact that I suggested that Dak clean a few things up and you'll take that as hating when it's not. You're very sensitive, RP and that's too bad because you do make some pretty good statements when you aren't engaging with the haters or trying to start something with them.

 

[RonnieT24]

You're getting your years mixed up. That's ok, a lot of time has gone by, and I'm a little hazy on the 1986 season as well. The fumble at the GL came in the following year. The year you're referring to was when Elway took the team on a 5 minute 98 yard drive to tie the game. Converting some pretty critical 3rd downs along the way. It's a legendary moment in NFL history. Despite his raw numbers, he's had other heroic moments in the playoffs.

As far as the Orange Crush goes, I thought that was back in the 70s. Which super bowl team was the Orange crush in the 80s? The one that lost 39-20, 42-10, or 55-10?

The fact that their defense got run over by the best of the NFC was no shame. That was pretty common back then as the NFC was far and away the superior conference throughout most of the 80's and the first half of the 90's. But I know Elway had some defining moments.. but putting together one big drive isn't "dragging" his team anywhere. The defense getting stops is what gave him the opportunity to do that.

 

[Rockport]

I am serious. Outside of the garbage network show and the hardcore trolls here, who is saying it? You and others like you get all bent out of shape when anyone tries to speak about x's and o's. I could talk about Dak's pick six and how that throw was the same as the one he missed with Pollard at the end of the game. If he puts a little touch on either ball, there is not pick six and we get a decent gain from that one. Pollard might have scored on the other. I do think we scored on the drive with Pollard miss but it was the same throw. Then there's the Dak non-slide at the end of the game where he went out of bounce. He had a few mental lapses in otherwise pretty darn good performance otherwise by him. However, all you're going to concentrate on is the fact that I suggested that Dak clean a few things up and you'll take that as hating when it's not. You're very sensitive, RP and that's too bad because you do make some pretty good statements when you aren't engaging with the haters or trying to start something with them.

Dude what are you talking about? I was replying to this.

Who’s saying this? I surely hope you are not wasting your time watching those day shows where guys who have never touched a football or a too concussed ex lineman talk about the QB position.

There’s tons of haters like you who do NOTHING but crap on the QB and you have the gall to say “Who’s saying this?”

 

[erod]

Sorry but that's a revision. The narrative all along has been "he has to play great 4 straight games.." And "when they NEED him" is beginning opening kickoff until the final gun.

That's impossible.

They need him to play great at the key moments and not make big mistakes at key moments.

 

[Playmaker3128]

I don’t think Dak has to be perfect. But he needs to do what he has to do to win us some games.

against SF last year he flat out didn’t do that. Especially when they lost their two best defenders mid game.

I think he’s a different qb right now for the better but still. Sometimes you don’t play a perfect game…. But if your have the opportunity to make the winning plays and don’t. That’s what he’ll be judged on

 

[GuitarBytes]

How many QBs have had 4 straight perfect games in the playoffs. People need to accept that playoff defenses are typically badasses. Qbs almost never got to town in every game in the playoffs. Some completely poop the bed but get bailed out by other aspects of their team. Anybody remember Ruthlessraper's 27 passer rating in his first Super Bowl win? How about Brady's INTs on three consecutive possessions in the NFC Championship two years ago? Or better yet is 71 passer rating performance against the Rams in 2018? Or how about his classic 150 yard "masterpiece" in his first Super Bowl agaisnt the Rams? Or maybe Mahomes 78 passer rating with 2 INT performance against the 49ers while WINNING the Super Bowl?

I really wish people would move off this whole "This QB can carry his team" kick. It's just not true and I'm really getting tired of hearing it. Nobody is carrying 47 other guys. I really get sick of the media constantly foisting this brain dead narrative upon us. Yes the QB is the most important player on the team.. I get that.. but he aint winnin jack without some help. It's disrespectful to those 47 other guys to keep acting like they play no part in their teams' fortunes.

At the end of the day the Cowboys TEAM will need to play 4 straight great games to win it all. Dak is part of that team.. however he alone will not win or lose any game. Why is that such a hard reality for some to accept?

Being a QB is a great responsibility in a team, since he executes the plays, a QB mistake can cost losing a game, just as a good execution can cost winning the game; That is why more is going to be demanded of a QB, there is no room for justifications, whoever wants to earn more must be demanded more. It is very difficult to win a lot of games if you don't have a good QB, the responsibility is not entirely on the QB, but he has a good percentage of responsibility. The problem with Dak is his inconsistency, until now we haven't seen a single full season with good performance, he's always inconsistent, one day he comes out playing well and everyone praises him and kisses his feet, and another day, he plays lousy and everyone spit in him face, that's the reality, they have to show consistency in the playoffs because until now they haven't done it,

 

[5Stars]

How many QBs have had 4 straight perfect games in the playoffs. People need to accept that playoff defenses are typically badasses. Qbs almost never got to town in every game in the playoffs. Some completely poop the bed but get bailed out by other aspects of their team. Anybody remember Ruthlessraper's 27 passer rating in his first Super Bowl win? How about Brady's INTs on three consecutive possessions in the NFC Championship two years ago? Or better yet is 71 passer rating performance against the Rams in 2018? Or how about his classic 150 yard "masterpiece" in his first Super Bowl agaisnt the Rams? Or maybe Mahomes 78 passer rating with 2 INT performance against the 49ers while WINNING the Super Bowl?

I really wish people would move off this whole "This QB can carry his team" kick. It's just not true and I'm really getting tired of hearing it. Nobody is carrying 47 other guys. I really get sick of the media constantly foisting this brain dead narrative upon us. Yes the QB is the most important player on the team.. I get that.. but he aint winnin jack without some help. It's disrespectful to those 47 other guys to keep acting like they play no part in their teams' fortunes.

At the end of the day the Cowboys TEAM will need to play 4 straight great games to win it all. Dak is part of that team.. however he alone will not win or lose any game. Why is that such a hard reality for some to accept?

All I got out of this is that you want the team to carry Dak because he cannot play good in four straight games? And this "he alone will not win or lose any game" is false because any QB can lose a game on their own with an INT or some such the same way a kicker can lose a game, but then in your view that would be the fault of the receiver, huh? Your post is just trying to set up a paper tiger that you will try and tear down.

Yes, it is a team game, and Dak is the supposed leader of the team. Now, tear that tiger down, bro.

 

[Flamma]

The fact that their defense got run over by the best of the NFC was no shame. That was pretty common back then as the NFC was far and away the superior conference throughout most of the 80's and the first half of the 90's. But I know Elway had some defining moments.. but putting together one big drive isn't "dragging" his team anywhere. The defense getting stops is what gave him the opportunity to do that.

Like I said, my '86 memory is hazy. But going forward I don't remember their run game being that good. I don't even remember their D being that good. Back then, really good defenses didn't often give up that many points. I know they were statistically good on D, but the AFC as a whole wasn't that good. But you're probably remembering it better than me because the outcomes in the SB would better support your case as far as getting there. Long term memory is a weird thing. I'm probably putting too much weight on those defining moments.

 

[jwooten15]

Dak just has to try and not mess things up for 4 straight games. He has trouble doing that quite often.

That is why very few have faith that he can lead, or even be a part of, a Super Bowl run.

 

[Blackrain]

Dak just has to try and not mess things up for 4 straight games. He has trouble doing that quite often.

That is why very few have faith that he can lead, or even be a part of, a Super Bowl run.

Dak has had some bad games like all quarterbacks do but I believe it's others screwing up and him not being able to overcome all of it that causes most of the problem.

I can look back and there have been a hell of a lot of drop balls ,tipped balls and penalties that he has been expected to overcome.

It's amazing when we only have three penalties and our receivers aren't tipping the ball to defenders All of a sudden DAk lights things up and looks unstoppable.

A lot of it comes down to everybody else doing their job and not expecting one guy to make up for everybody else's mistakes.

 

[xwalker]

How many QBs have had 4 straight perfect games in the playoffs. People need to accept that playoff defenses are typically badasses. Qbs almost never got to town in every game in the playoffs. Some completely poop the bed but get bailed out by other aspects of their team. Anybody remember Ruthlessraper's 27 passer rating in his first Super Bowl win? How about Brady's INTs on three consecutive possessions in the NFC Championship two years ago? Or better yet is 71 passer rating performance against the Rams in 2018? Or how about his classic 150 yard "masterpiece" in his first Super Bowl agaisnt the Rams? Or maybe Mahomes 78 passer rating with 2 INT performance against the 49ers while WINNING the Super Bowl?

I really wish people would move off this whole "This QB can carry his team" kick. It's just not true and I'm really getting tired of hearing it. Nobody is carrying 47 other guys. I really get sick of the media constantly foisting this brain dead narrative upon us. Yes the QB is the most important player on the team.. I get that.. but he aint winnin jack without some help. It's disrespectful to those 47 other guys to keep acting like they play no part in their teams' fortunes.

At the end of the day the Cowboys TEAM will need to play 4 straight great games to win it all. Dak is part of that team.. however he alone will not win or lose any game. Why is that such a hard reality for some to accept?

Garoppolo has 6 completions in a playoff win back when the 49ers last made it to the Super Bowl (2019 season).

A QB does not always have to be great but INTs must be avoided...

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Aaah, that's correct. Thanks for reminding us brother. No way that strip sack from behind can be Dak's fault. That's clearly on the Oline.

Absolutely

 

[RonnieT24]

All I got out of this is that you want the team to carry Dak because he cannot play good in four straight games? And this "he alone will not win or lose any game" is false because any QB can lose a game on their own with an INT or some such the same way a kicker can lose a game, but then in your view that would be the fault of the receiver, huh? Your post is just trying to set up a paper tiger that you will try and tear down.

Yes, it is a team game, and Dak is the supposed leader of the team. Now, tear that tiger down, bro.

So you saw what you wanted to see.. Huge surprise there..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Who’s saying this? I surely hope you are not wasting your time watching those day shows where guys who have never touched a football or a too concussed ex lineman talk about the QB position.

I was about to ask the same thing. People make up these fights...when it's not an actual issue.

 

[plasticman]

When the Bucs won the Super Bowl in 2020 nobody remembered that Brady threw three consecutive 4th quarter INT's in the NFC championship game and was bailed out big time by their defense.

 

[RonnieT24]

I was about to ask the same thing. People make up these fights...when it's not an actual issue.

Just because some of you might have these idjits on ignore or whatever doesn't mean they don't exist. I see them and their "Do you trust Dak to play well 4 straight games" and "Dak can't put together 3 straight games against playoff competition to get to the Super Bowl" posts every day. If you manage to miss them good for you. Some of us don't.. and like to call them out from time to time.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Just because some of you might have these idjits on ignore or whatever doesn't mean they don't exist. I see them and their "Do you trust Dak to play well 4 straight games" and "Dak can't put together 3 straight games against playoff competition to get to the Super Bowl" posts every day. If you manage to miss them good for you. Some of us don't.. and like to call them out from time to time.

To what end? You'll really show them!

I don't have anyone on auto ignore.

Why don't you just post in those threads....you claim are so pervasive and burdening? Should be ample opportunity to change their minds.
Make fools of them . Or whatever it is you are trying to accomplish.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

When the Bucs won the Super Bowl in 2020 nobody remembered that Brady threw three consecutive 4th quarter INT's in the NFC championship game and was bailed out big time by their defense.

And everyone remembers Dan Marino never won a super bowl.

Who else was on that team?

Exactly.

 

[Nav22]

I'm with you on Eli but Bradshaw played in a different time and place. No way you can compare the numbers from that period to modern guys because the rules have been constantly changing to make it easier to pass the ball for 40 plus years. I don't think Bradshaw belongs on anybody's GOAT list but he legitimately belongs among the all time greats.

That's before my time and I've never compared his numbers to others from that era, so I'll take your word for it. He's obviously revered.

 

[Nav22]

LOL learn some football
Bradshaw was a great QB
Eli, I’ll give was good not great but he’s the only one you can point to in NFL history. Also during the playoffs he played above himself. That is why Dak will have to do the same

Fine, so I was half right at worst. Bradshaw was before my time so I won't argue that one.

Sounds like I do know "some football."