Why do we have the same concerns year in and year out????

[dallasfan]

Seems like every year we have the same concerns in our secondary. I'm not talking specifically about Newman's injury but that does expose a problem we have. Every year we keep looking to the secondary as our problem. Either Roy has to play out of his strengths or we have no depth at the Db position because of injury or we just have guys who get exposed.

Why doesn't this team address this in either the Draft or FA? For example, this year we have 13 mill. available under the cap. We really didn't address it. We totally ignored it in the draft and we have done so for the last few years.

Just wondering if it's just me or is there a reason we have gone down this road. Seems like if we get caught with our pants down on this again, we only have ourselves to blame.

I can only assume that because of the money invested in the secondary, the team is reluctant to spend more. As of now we spent a #5 pick on a CB (Good investment so far, but he does have a new contract coming up soon), a #8 pick on a safety (a decent investment, has made several big time plays for us, but has given up just as many over the years), and a big contract, at the time atleast, for Henry (only a so-so investment it seems, has struggled with injuries, but when healthy has played well).

If I was the GM, I probably wouldn't have gotten into a bidding war ove Nate Clement or whoever else was available b/c that would make Henry the most expensive 3rd corner in NFL History, and imo the problem with him has been health. What should've been dome imo, and ofcourse hindsight is 20/20, is drafted Antonio Croamartie/Jonathan Joseph last year instead of Carpenter or maybe Richard Marshal instead of Anthony Fasano.

But what's done is done, hopefully the team will address the CB position early in next year's draft. Maybe not with the top pick, but with the 2nd #1, cause good CBs can be found later.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

And you also thank Jerry for drafting Troy Aikman over Jimmy's objection, right?

I think you've bought into the Jethro P.R. spin club on that rumor! You're talkin' about the guy who drafted Quincy and said he was gonna be the next McNabb!

 

[zrinkill]

I'd trade talent with 4, and I'd trade GM's with just about all.

Which 4 ? and what has their record been in comparison to the boys?

And only one of those GM's have gotten their Team more than 1 Superbowl.

You are letting your hatred of Jerry make you say stupid things.

 

[iceberg]

Because we have the same wack job for a GM year in and year out!

and this is nominated as THE MOST USELESS WHINE online.

it's not gonna change yet people keep talking like it could.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Maybe it's because your thread is one of many that have been posted since the news came out about Newman's injury.

And like Alexander said, prior to Newman's injury and Glenn's sudden inability to cover, no one was questioning the cornerback depth...

Honestly, it has been something that I have questioned for a while. We just seem to look for stop gap measures that don't work out. There really is no foundation to the method we are using. I understand that Henry got hurt a year ago and that you can't predict injuries, (Unless your talking about McNabb) but it just seems that we haven't done anything to build the depth, and the proof is the situation we have now. Of course it is magnified by injury, but this has been something that I just don't think we addressed.

I mean we have guys on the roster that play those positions but are they any good?(which was the WHOLE point of the thread. Not the starters and their injuries) I guess we will wait and see. We are going to find out in a few days.

 

[Alexander]

If TNew was not injured, would this even be a topic? I am really, if newman was 100% would anyone have any issues with cutting A Glenn? I doubt it. The concern right now is the ? of newmans foot.

I know I wouldn't care as much.

As far as not addressing the problems in the secondary.. what about Hamlin? We had a weakness at FS and they went out and got one they hope can fix it. I would have liked it if we had drafted a CB in the 1st, but we got a OLB with tremendous upside and a high #1 next year.. so I can live with that.

Taking Newman out of the equation makes us also take away what was supposed to be another benefit this year: that being Williams out of deep coverage and closer to the line. With a player like Reeves, who will need as much help as Glenn simply due to inexperience, I cannot see us crashing the line of scrimmage with Williams like we had planned.

I think this secondary will be better than anyone seems to be giving them credit for right now. Its not A Glenn was a dominate cb, not even close. And he didn't seperate himself from the younger cb's on this team. And in this game, if its a tie, you go with youth.

You go with youth if you are looking to the future. You go with experience if you are interested in the edge that helps you win championships when you feel you are close. That is a formula that has helped New England win several titles in this age of the salary cap.

 

[theogt]

I think you've bought into the Jethro P.R. spin club on that rumor! You're talkin' about the guy who drafted Quincy and said he was gonna be the next McNabb!

Sure thing, SuperCows2Xs.

 

[iceberg]

I think you've bought into the Jethro P.R. spin club on that rumor! You're talkin' about the guy who drafted Quincy and said he was gonna be the next McNabb!

i think you're "blinded by the hate" and now just spouting lies you've chosen to believe.

johnson didn't want aikman. why else draft walsh and make him compete with troy? yes troy won, but johnson didn't make it easy.

what in the name of unholy norse Gods do people hope to get out of jones whining about his being GM?

he's not gonna change as long as he's alive.

and all the whining cause you hate him is the most boring / useless threads online today.

 

[TunaFan33]

You go with youth if you are looking to the future. You go with experience if you are interested in the edge that helps you win championships when you feel you are close. That is a formula that has helped New England win several titles in this age of the salary cap.

Really? NE used 2 rookie corners(when Law and Poole got injured) through much of the season onto the Super Bowl.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Which 4 ? and what has their record been in comparison to the boys?

NE, Pitt, Indy, Balt.
Superior except Pitt last year, but they had the SB let down!

And only one of those GM's have gotten their Team more than 1 Superbowl.

And Jethro: hasn't GM'ed us to a playoff win in over a decade.

You are letting your hatred of Jerry make you say stupid things.

Not at all, I don't hate anyone, just lookin' at over a decade of inept by the 'boys.

 

[Alexander]

Really? NE used 2 rookie corners(when Law and Poole got injured) through much of the season onto the Super Bowl.

They used youth to plug holes on the fly, which is different from what we are doing now, which is depending on it.

They have taken the opportunity to bring established veterans who know how to win more often than not. You missed my point entirely, but that doesn't shock me.

 

[zrinkill]

NE, Pitt, Indy, Balt.

Pitt and Balt?



Well hey buddy ....... i guess those are the 4 teams you have to chose from ..... Jerry is not GM of any of them .... have fun.

 

[iceberg]

Honestly, it has been something that I have questioned for a while. We just seem to look for stop gap measures that don't work out. There really is no foundation to the method we are using. I understand that Henry got hurt a year ago and that you can't predict injuries, (Unless your talking about McNabb) but it just seems that we haven't done anything to build the depth, and the proof is the situation we have now. Of course it is magnified by injury, but this has been something that I just don't think we addressed.

I mean we have guys on the roster that play those positions but are they any good? I guess we will wait and see. We are going to find out in a few days.

we do the bold in almost every position these days, ccowboy. it's called the advent of FA and you simply can't groom your own players cause they outgrew the team to a point or the team doesn't wanna pay.

or you do wanna pay for an owens.

and - owens/glenn - stop gap measures? hardly long term answers, right?
hutch and henson? ex baseball players? not exactly long term in as much as bargain hunting.

our OL has been the poster child for stop gap players in rivera and other FA's coming and going.

we're not really doing it at RB/TE much, are we? we're trying to build up there.

but if we needed a RB *right now* you go get a FA and it's called "stop gap".

when you've got a shut down corner and your goodriches, larrimores and so forth didn't pan out (you tried, but it didn't pan out) you go to FA to get your players. stop gap. but it's not from lack of effort, it's from lack of success *in* that effort.

so i totally disagree that CB was a position of neglect or otherwise and suddenly 1 injury to newman makes our entire secondary suck. that's just not true.

if newman is out for awhile, yes we need a good CB. but just beause we draft one in the 1st up to 3 rounds doens't mean (cough goodrich) it will (cough larrimore) work out.

eduncan must be wetting himself w/joy now. suddenly his prize peanut is the hot topic of conversation.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

we do the bold in almost every position these days, ccowboy. it's called the advent of FA and you simply can't groom your own players cause they outgrew the team to a point or the team doesn't wanna pay.

or you do wanna pay for an owens.

and - owens/glenn - stop gap measures? hardly long term answers, right?
hutch and henson? ex baseball players? not exactly long term in as much as bargain hunting.

our OL has been the poster child for stop gap players in rivera and other FA's coming and going.

we're not really doing it at RB/TE much, are we? we're trying to build up there.

but if we needed a RB *right now* you go get a FA and it's called "stop gap".

when you've got a shut down corner and your goodriches, larrimores and so forth didn't pan out (you tried, but it didn't pan out) you go to FA to get your players. stop gap. but it's not from lack of effort, it's from lack of success *in* that effort.

so i totally disagree that CB was a position of neglect or otherwise and suddenly 1 injury to newman makes our entire secondary suck. that's just not true.

if newman is out for awhile, yes we need a good CB. but just beause we draft one in the 1st up to 3 rounds doens't mean (cough goodrich) it will (cough larrimore) work out.

eduncan must be wetting himself w/joy now. suddenly his prize peanut is the hot topic of conversation.

I never said the secondary was going to suck. AS a matter of fact, I has simply said that that we have ignored the depth in the secondary so when something like this does happen we have competent players to take over. And this really has less to do with the starters than it does with the depth. I don't expect them to draft a shut down Cb (which I don't really think exist anyway) in the first round.

I do however think that in the later rounds they do need to look at depth and developmental guys. I think we have enough OL projects.

As for the letting go of Glenn, I realy don't know. I know I would feel a bit more confident with him back there but Wade Phillips is the guy making the call on this and I'll wait and see how it turns out.

I hope I'm wrong on the young guys. I hope they turn out to be just fine.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

i think you're "blinded by the hate" and now just spouting lies you've chosen to believe.

I guess you believe in the PR spin also.

johnson didn't want aikman. why else draft walsh and make him compete with troy? yes troy won, but johnson didn't make it easy.

If Jimmy didn't want Aikman then Aikman would've never been a Cowboy. That's right, all he was doing is NOT making it easy for Aikman, testing him, mind games, whatever you want to call it.

he's not gonna change as long as he's alive.

You're probably right but I can always dream can't I.

and all the whining cause you hate him is the most boring / useless threads online today.

I don't hate Jethro: . If the complaints about him are boring then why read and respond? Just pass on by!

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Pitt and Balt?



Well hey buddy ....... i guess those are the 4 teams you have to chose from ..... Jerry is not GM of any of them .... have fun.

And they all will likely have better seasons than the Cowboys, I'll remind you in Jan. If I'm wrong then you can say you were right, whoooopiiiiieeeee!

 

[iceberg]

I guess you believe in the PR spin also.
If Jimmy didn't want Aikman then Aikman would've never been a Cowboy. That's right, all he was doing is NOT making it easy for Aikman, testing him, mind games, whatever you want to call it.

You're probably right but I can always dream can't I.

I don't hate Jethro: . If the complaints about him are boring then why read and respond? Just pass on by!

do i seem to be the "company man" type? do you soon forget my OL tirade? your "auto-reply" everytime someone says this is stupid to wish for is just as wasted as wishing for it.

it ain't gonna happen and *you know it* - so what do you hope to get out of whining about jones the gm?

they spin off to heated discussions 9 times out fo 10, is that what you want?

and jimmy didn't want aikman but he was already here and signed, going NOWHERE. but hey, lie to yourself. you're the only one foolish enough to believe your anti-jones crap.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

do i seem to be the "company man" type? do you soon forget my OL tirade? your "auto-reply" everytime someone says this is stupid to wish for is just as wasted as wishing for it.

it ain't gonna happen and *you know it* - so what do you hope to get out of whining about jones the gm?

they spin off to heated discussions 9 times out fo 10, is that what you want?

and jimmy didn't want aikman but he was already here and signed, going NOWHERE. but hey, lie to yourself. you're the only one foolish enough to believe your anti-jones crap.

Just venting I guess!

That and trying to run up my post count....Just kiddin'!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Seems like every year we have the same concerns in our secondary. I'm not talking specifically about Newman's injury but that does expose a problem we have. Every year we keep looking to the secondary as our problem. Either Roy has to play out of his strengths or we have no depth at the Db position because of injury or we just have guys who get exposed.

Why doesn't this team address this in either the Draft or FA? For example, this year we have 13 mill. available under the cap. We really didn't address it. We totally ignored it in the draft and we have done so for the last few years.

Just wondering if it's just me or is there a reason we have gone down this road. Seems like if we get caught with our pants down on this again, we only have ourselves to blame.

I share your view that it seems a yearly occurrence: questions in the secondary, especially the corners.
It might be two things or a combination: CBs (good ones) are hard to come by. Also, the Cowboys (for whatever reason) neglect the position in the draft, Newman being the exception.

But, historically, there have been other positions that come up every year: DE, LBs and RBs after the Emmitt Smith era.

I don't think it is neglect as much as Jerra et. al having to put out fires everywhere.

All in all, Jerra and his coaches have done a good job, I think, with the exception of the O line and now that position seems to have stabilized and even gotten raves from some beat reporters.

So there you have it, straight from the braintrust at the 50,000-watt nerve center of all things good and Cowboys.

 

[iceberg]

Just venting I guess!

heh, it happens. but some will go on and on as if they can change it if they whine enough. we all have our pet peeves that come with shorter fuses - this is just one of mine which has nothing to do with "company line pr" vs. just ain't gonna happen so wish for something else.