Why Has Marinelli Not Been Fired Yet?

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The offensive scheme is outdated as well. Also, how many times, after a loss, did you hear someone on the other team say they knew what the next play call was?
Like the OP said 400 yards and 30+ points. It might be outdated but it works. Unlike the Defense that is outdated and doesn’t work.
 

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You're talking to one of the few people who wanted Linehan gone after the Green Bay playoff game last year. When he stopped doing what got the team in the playoffs in the first place.

I was rooting for a Norv Turner reunion. At least that guy isn't physically hurt or bored by running the football.

I don't think anything less than a full coaching overhaul will fix this.

But I'm not optimistic that the Jones family agrees with me.

Ten years into "the process" and I'm still having "knee jerk reactions" apparently...

I don't think it will fix it either. No way they make any changes, JG was just coach of the year, and Jerry and SJ will chalk this up as growing pains and a young football team. The fans know better however....
 

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Because he's out there with rookies and second year players.


They chose this.

It looks like another year of the same thing.

The DL looks really good and we still can't stop anyone because our linebackers aren't perfect and our secondary is not perfect.

Im tired of having to be perfect everywhere at every position. Our coaches need to step up or get out.
 

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I don't think it will fix it either. No way they make any changes, JG was just coach of the year, and Jerry and SJ will chalk this up as growing pains and a young football team. The fans know better however....

Only 10 years in. Wouldn't want to make any "rash decisions" now, would we?
 

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In my opinion the problem is the linebacker position. Most of them are suited to be special teamers rather than starters. Durant was available for a reason, and he is getting a lot of snaps on defense. Hitchens is good, but will never be great. Lee is great, but often injured. Wilson flashes once a game but isn't consistent. Jaylon Smith, with all his athletic ability needs to sit. He is such a liability out there that it is like playing 10 against 11. I know they are thinking that he needs to play to get better, and he may be better by the end of the season, but he is clearly not ready to play and it is hurting the team. Next draft needs to be at least 3 linebackers. And, somebody needs to figure out this epidemic hamstring issue.
 

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They chose this.

It looks like another year of the same thing.

The DL looks really good and we still can't stop anyone because our linebackers aren't perfect and our secondary is not perfect.

Im tired of having to be perfect everywhere at every position. Our coaches need to step up or get out.

I'm not a fan of Maranelli.....not defending him by no means. I honestly believe he likes working with less or with rookies so he can use it a a excuse when his D isn't doing well or so he can get a pass for his unit is underperforming.

But the defense was going to suck this year. It always was. It's too much youth. You don't decimate your secondary and get better. I said it this offseason be careful what you wish for and fans just said "well...they can't do any worse".....

That being said, they made the right move. I like our secondary now...but it's going to get ugly does it gets better. Welcome to the NFL.
 

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On Marinelli, I don't know how much is his coaching and how much is players failing. Before the game he said the key to stopping the Packers was containing Rodgers. He was/is right. Most of Rodgers big plays come after he moves out of the pocket. My question for him would be, "if you knew you had to do that, what was the plan to keep him in the pocket?"

I think there are several flaws with his defensive mind-set. I think it is extremely vulnerable to a mobile quarterback. If your "rushmen" just rush up the field to get to the QB, it leaves gaps the QB can exploit to get out on the edge where he can see the field clearly and run or pass, whichever gives the best result. It seems like the DL guys are just free-lancing to get sacks instead of working as a unit. Sacks are important, but so is gap responsibility and this is the ultimate team sport.

I also, as I have said before, do not like the frequency of DL substitutions. I know the concept is to keep them fresh, but I don't think freshness is not as important as rhythm and cohesion. Notice that OL do not substitute frequently to "keep them fresh."
 

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I'm not a fan of Maranelli.....not defending him by no means. I honestly believe he likes working with less or with rookies so he can use it a a excuse when his D isn't doing well or so he can get a pass for his unit is underperforming.

But the defense was going to suck this year. It always was. It's too much youth. You don't decimate your secondary and get better. I said it this offseason be careful what you wish for and fans just said "well...they can't do any worse".....

That being said, they made the right move. I like our secondary now...but it's going to get ugly does it gets better. Welcome to the NFL.


It's not even that.

They have experienced players out there.

Lewis is the only guy that plays a lot.

The rest are guys that have been here for a long time.

We can't stop the run and that is the #1 reason we stink right now. We've always been good at stopping the run and now we can't even do that.

Our Dline is pretty good right now and we still can't do anything.
 

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In my opinion the problem is the linebacker position. Most of them are suited to be special teamers rather than starters. Durant was available for a reason, and he is getting a lot of snaps on defense. Hitchens is good, but will never be great. Lee is great, but often injured. Wilson flashes once a game but isn't consistent. Jaylon Smith, with all his athletic ability needs to sit. He is such a liability out there that it is like playing 10 against 11. I know they are thinking that he needs to play to get better, and he may be better by the end of the season, but he is clearly not ready to play and it is hurting the team. Next draft needs to be at least 3 linebackers. And, somebody needs to figure out this epidemic hamstring issue.

It's the LB position and the secondary mainly. The D-line isn't great, but it is improving. Marinelli may not be the best defensive coach in the world, but neither is he the worst. It's the personnel. So yes, I suppose JJ could fire the guy for his own shortcomings. It wouldn't be the first time.
 

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On Marinelli, I don't know how much is his coaching and how much is players failing. Before the game he said the key to stopping the Packers was containing Rodgers. He was/is right. Most of Rodgers big plays come after he moves out of the pocket. My question for him would be, "if you knew you had to do that, what was the plan to keep him in the pocket?"

I think there are several flaws with his defensive mind-set. I think it is extremely vulnerable to a mobile quarterback. If your "rushmen" just rush up the field to get to the QB, it leaves gaps the QB can exploit to get out on the edge where he can see the field clearly and run or pass, whichever gives the best result. It seems like the DL guys are just free-lancing to get sacks instead of working as a unit. Sacks are important, but so is gap responsibility and this is the ultimate team sport.

I also, as I have said before, do not like the frequency of DL substitutions. I know the concept is to keep them fresh, but I don't think freshness is not as important as rhythm and cohesion. Notice that OL do not substitute frequently to "keep them fresh."


Instead of containing Rodgers and giving him all day to throw i'd like to press his WR's at the line and blitz the crap out of him. Take our chances against that instead of watching him methodically score time after time after time.
 

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Instead of containing Rodgers and giving him all day to throw i'd like to press his WR's at the line and blitz the crap out of him. Take our chances against that instead of watching him methodically score time after time after time.

How about actually rushing four guys instead of somehow thinking that 3-man crap would work?

It's one thing to get stopped. It's another to stop yourself.
 

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How about actually rushing four guys instead of somehow thinking that 3-man crap would work?

It's one thing to get stopped. It's another to stop yourself.

Yeah it was frustrating.

It worked for them at GB and now since it worked one time they will keep doing it even though Rodgers has already adjusted.

We do not play dynamic defense. We do a few things and just do them over and over and it's just too easy for Elite QB's with elite coaches who can oh by the way run the football on top of all of that.
 

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How about actually rushing four guys instead of somehow thinking that 3-man crap would work?

It's one thing to get stopped. It's another to stop yourself.

When facing a QB like Rodgers, it is not as simple as you make it sound. It's a damned if you, damned if you don't scenario... with this personnel anyway. Rodgers would just drool more heavily with one defender less in coverage.
 

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Because NFL organizations aren't run by oversized jersey-wearing Madden geniuses.

Wait, are you implying NFL organizations are run by smart men? They are run by druggies like Jim Irsay and drunks like Jerry. And it's a good ol boys club and they keep recycling the same retread coaches who have no success to scratch each other's backs.
 

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Wait, are you implying NFL organizations are run by smart men? They are run by druggies like Jim Irsay and drunks like Jerry. And it's a good ol boys club and they keep recycling the same retread coaches who have no success to scratch each other's backs.

Some organizations are like this, yes. It is naive to believe otherwise. But not all are.
 

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I think RM has not been fired because there isn't a replacement that would be better.

My guess is the DC's that are availiable are not an upgrade.
 

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The offensive scheme is outdated as well. Also, how many times, after a loss, did you hear someone on the other team say they knew what the next play call was?

Exactly. Our offense is predicated on our guys winning their one on one matchups. If they don't, we won't win. And our staff has no idea what a scheme is or an adjustment. Like the rookie Denver coach said, this offense is predictable and simple. Wade knew exactly what this crappy offensive gameplan was seeing he was around Garrett for a few years and nothing has changed since Garrett took over OC in 2007. It's the same offense for a decade.

This staff as a whole is only propped up by the offensive talent we have put together. It masks how pathetic they are. This goes for all of them. Garrett, Linehan and Marinelli. Linehan and Marinelli are retreads from those terrible Detroit teams.
 
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