Why Has Marinelli Not Been Fired Yet?

[Blackspider214]

Some organizations are like this, yes. It is naive to believe otherwise. But not all are.

We fired Rob Ryan for the same terrible defenses after 2 seasons. So his snarky Madden answer doesn't fly. Why does Marinelli get a pass? He's a fraud and far from a genius. His defense could be exploited by your average high school OC.

 

[Stash]

Yeah it was frustrating.

It worked for them at GB and now since it worked one time they will keep doing it even though Rodgers has already adjusted.

We do not play dynamic defense. We do a few things and just do them over and over and it's just too easy for Elite QB's with elite coaches who can oh by the way run the football on top of all of that.

Another amazing part of that loss. Green Bay ran all over this defense with a third-string rookie and a bunch of spares on the offensive line. Not good.

 

[DCowboyz]

The whole coaching staff has to be fired. I don't know why Jerry Jones gives his coaches so many chances.

 

[Stash]

When facing a QB like Rodgers, it is not as simple as you make it sound. It's a damned if you, damned if you don't scenario... with this personnel anyway. Rodgers would just drool more heavily with one defender less in coverage.

3 vs 5 gives you no chance. The math isn't that hard. Even for these coaches.

The results clearly show tha what Marinelli chose to do didn't work. You can give hypotheticals all day otherwise but his choice is a known failure.

 

[CATCH17]

Another amazing part of that loss. Green Bay ran all over this defense with a third-string rookie and a bunch of spares on the offensive line. Not good.

Yep... Denver and LA ran all over us too.. It's a common trend in our losses.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's not even that.

They have experienced players out there.

Lewis is the only guy that plays a lot.

The rest are guys that have been here for a long time.

We can't stop the run and that is the #1 reason we stink right now. We've always been good at stopping the run and now we can't even do that.

Our Dline is pretty good right now and we still can't do anything.

I disagree. Outside of Scandrick most of these guys are 2 or 3 year pros or first year starters.

 

[Stash]

Yep... Denver and LA ran all over us too.. It's a common trend in our losses.

That's what's so discouraging. We're not simply getting "out-talented", we're getting outcoached left and right. Fundamental stuff.

And two times we've been outcoached has been by rookie head coaching staffs.

Doesn't bode well at all.

 

[Stash]

I disagree. Outside of Scandrick most of these guys are 2 or 3 year pros or first year starters.

How many years exactly does it take to be "experienced"?

 

[CATCH17]

I disagree. Outside of Scandrick most of these guys are 2 or 3 year pros or first year starters.

2 or 3 year pro's is normal. They need to play well.

Our vets last year didn't play well and they are doing good on their new teams.

Experience will help but it's not the problem.

 

[mcmvp]

We fired Rob Ryan for the same terrible defenses after 2 seasons. So his snarky Madden answer doesn't fly. Why does Marinelli get a pass? He's a fraud and far from a genius. His defense could be exploited by your average high school OC.

I'm not saying Marinelli is the answer. He is accountable like any coach. I just feel the main issue on D is lack of good talent.

 

[mcmvp]

3 vs 5 gives you no chance. The math isn't that hard. Even for these coaches.

The results clearly show tha what Marinelli chose to do didn't work. You can give hypotheticals all day otherwise but his choice is a known failure.

The chances are not good either way vs Rodgers. I think the boys could do better than Marenelli too but, in this particular case, it's hard to blame him for giving the best part of his defense the lowest odds of success...the d-line. It's the same logic as leaving a shut-down corner without safety help.

And saying the best part of the defense is the d-line is not saying much.

 

[ternewt24]

Marinelli is actually a good D coach. He has had a lot of injury and suspension players he has had to deal with. And the fact that we have probably the worst secondary in the NFL. we haven't replaced anything. Hes working with a bunch of young guys and trying to make it work. I don't really blame him at all. I blame our inability to bring anyone in on the defensive side to help out. And Jason Garret is a tool to.

 

[Chuck 54]

I really think he'll be gone this offseason if there's a better option out there, but he knows this defense better than anyone, so you can't fire him in season because you can't change your defensive scheme and philosophy in season.

 

[Stash]

The chances are not good either way vs Rodgers. I think the boys could do better than Marenelli too but, in this particular case, it's hard to blame him for giving the best part of his defense the lowest odds of success...the d-line. It's the same logic as leaving a shut-down corner without safety help.

And saying the best part of the defense is the d-line is not saying much.

So he plays away from his strength rather than to it? Put them at a noticeable disadvantage? Make it harder for them to succeed?

Look, I know it worked several times against Arizona. But it's a spot tactic, not the recipe for a defense.

 

[mcmvp]

So he plays away from his strength rather than to it? Put them at a noticeable disadvantage? Make it harder for them to succeed?

Look, I know it worked several times against Arizona. But it's a spot tactic, not the recipe for a defense.

The point is there is no recipe for chicken salad when you are working with chicken s***. Marenelli may be part of that chicken s*** too at this point, but he at least has proven more than the current players have.

 

[Stash]

The point is there is no recipe for chicken salad when you are working with chicken s***. Marenelli may be part of that chicken s*** too at this point, but he at least has proven more than the current players have.

Again, not an either/or issue here. It's both.

Jeff Heath is getting roasted - and much of it earned. But go take a look at the defensive play call and alignment for that last scoring play for Green Bay and then tell me the coordinator isn't doing a poor job of coaching and putting his players in position to succeed.

It's both.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Need to move on from Heath as the starter in this bye week

 

[mcmvp]

Again, not an either/or issue here. It's both.

Jeff Heath is getting roasted - and much of it earned. But go take a look at the defensive play call and alignment for that last scoring play for Green Bay and then tell me the coordinator isn't doing a poor job of coaching and putting his players in position to succeed.

It's both.

It usually is both. Coaches make mistakes too. They are, however, working with far more info than us fans have. That is part my point. They have a reason for doing what may seem strange to us. That doesn't mean they always make the correct decisions. They don't. My goal isn't to say Marinelli is blameless. I guess I just blame the players more than some do. They just are not that good.

 

[Jake]

The offensive scheme is outdated as well. Also, how many times, after a loss, did you hear someone on the other team say they knew what the next play call was?

Jerry and Jason love the stuff the Cowboys did in the 90s. The problems are two fold: one, the rules have changed since then and we really don't take advantage of them. Two, we don't have 10 future hall of famers - in their primes - on this roster.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Thanks for your well thought out contributions to this discussion.

I know sometimes you struggle to keep up but you did a good job today.