Why have the Cards not been successful?

juck

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With Fitz and Boldin they have probably the best WR duo in football(RW11 and TO havent played yet of course),they have still sucked over the years generally.Bringing in RW11 is good but isnt going to necissarily take this team anywhere.Or will it?It did however work for the Colts having two number 1s.Im curious.
 

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Gee, I don't know. Other than the rest of their freakin team has sucked over the years MAY have something to do with it.
 

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jackrussell;2348554 said:
Gee, I don't know. Other than the rest of their freakin team has sucked over the years MAY have something to do with it.

yes but even the offense has not done much.And they do have a decent line and had Edge James.I guess u could say the same about the Lions too thought.lol.I was just curious and thinking of other teams who had two number 1 WRs.
 

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jackrussell;2348554 said:
Gee, I don't know. Other than the rest of their freakin team has sucked over the years MAY have something to do with it.

:laugh2: that is my 1st guess.....
 

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i may be from not making the right desicion at the right time,..wrong call offensively/defensevly.lots of things.
 

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Their defense has sucked tremendously in the past.
 

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It all comes down to quarterback play, mostly. Wide receiver is a position dependent on other players being good in order to get the ball -- quarterbacks being able to throw, the line giving the play time to develop, a running game taking a little pressure off the passing game. It's why you hear the phrase "build inside out" as opposed to starting with the wide receiver position and building outside in.

Prior to this season, the Cardinals have had horrid quarterback play from Leinart and Warner was only OK. It's pretty remarkable Fitzgerald and Boldin have been as effective as they have, and is only a testament to their abilities. Finally, they have a quarterback playing well, and other parts of the team have also improved, and you're seeing them beat teams.

The Lions philosophy might have worked of drafting all those receivers, but it all went to hell in a hand basket once it was proven Harrington couldn't play. They were trying to give their quarterback tons of weapons, but it turned out the QB couldn't utilize them. The fact several other picks were flat busts -- Kevin Jones, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams -- didn't help. But the key was Harrington. Had he been a Pro Bowl QB, the outlook of that team would have changed.
 

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A winning atmosphere isn't just players on the field. The Cardinals have never really been about winning. Bill Bidwell cares about money. He's not trying to win. He's trying to make money.

When a team feels that, how hard do you expect them to play?

There is a cloud over the Cardinals and it starts right with the family that owns them and has resisted putting a football man in charge of operations and have done lousy jobs in scouting, marketing, etc.

There are 4 major sports leagues and all 4 have a team in Phoenix. By far the NFL is the most popular sports league yet the Cardinals are the least loved local sports team in the state of Arizona.

Bidwell was stupid to keep the Cardinals mascot and colors. No one here associates with that. Look at the Phoenix Coyotes. They came here from being the Winnipeg Jets. Arizona is not a hockey state yet they have a great following here because they marketed themselves to Arizonans.

The Cardinals just ooze the word failure.
 

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Are you talking about this year or in recent years, because I would bet a lot of money on the Cards winning the NFC West this year.

As far as their history, Hos nailed it. Speaking more recently, Fitz and Boldin have been the only players on that team worth a damn, and that's not enough to win.
 

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OL, QB, RB, TE have all ben sub-par players over that time.


Why did the lions sucks with Roy and Calvin?


Why do the Bengals suck now?


Why do the Patriots get beat the way they have lately?


Its pretty simple to see why the Cards were bad. They only had WRs. Kurt Warner is playing way better than he did last year and he was AWFUL his first few seasons there.
 

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sk0aL;2348750 said:
Are you talking about this year or in recent years, because I would bet a lot of money on the Cards winning the NFC West this year.

As far as their history, Hos nailed it. Speaking more recently, Fitz and Boldin have been the only players on that team worth a damn, and that's not enough to win.

The cardinals have as many wins as the rest of the division combined. NFC West is the complete antithesis of the NFC East.
 

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Because "two #1 WRs" by themselves don't win you jack.

QB, pass rush, and overall defense are what win.
 

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juckie;2348542 said:
With Fitz and Boldin they have probably the best WR duo in football(RW11 and TO havent played yet of course),they have still sucked over the years generally.Bringing in RW11 is good but isnt going to necissarily take this team anywhere.Or will it?It did however work for the Colts having two number 1s.Im curious.


If Roy and TO were ALL this team had, then yeah you'd have a comparison. The fact that Fitz and Boldin are pretty much all that the Cards have, and have had, for years is the reason they've sucked.
 

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because every team they play are who they thought they were, and they let em off the dam hook.





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Warner looked sharp against us, but in reality, Warner has not even sniffed the high level of play he achieved in his prime at St. Louis.

Throw in the fact that Leinhart wasn't very good as a starter, and right their you have a pretty good answer to start with......QB

Edgerrin James looks like he's lost a step // more focus to stop him than at Indy. He might be gone from there next year, especially with that kid from Virgina lookin so good.

Honestly though, I'd attribute most of it to QB play.

They will win the NFC West this year...SF, St. Louis, and Seattle all suck. And they are pretty good.
 

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Hostile;2348745 said:
A winning atmosphere isn't just players on the field. The Cardinals have never really been about winning. Bill Bidwell cares about money. He's not trying to win. He's trying to make money.

When a team feels that, how hard do you expect them to play?

There is a cloud over the Cardinals and it starts right with the family that owns them and has resisted putting a football man in charge of operations and have done lousy jobs in scouting, marketing, etc.

There are 4 major sports leagues and all 4 have a team in Phoenix. By far the NFL is the most popular sports league yet the Cardinals are the least loved local sports team in the state of Arizona.

Bidwell was stupid to keep the Cardinals mascot and colors. No one here associates with that. Look at the Phoenix Coyotes. They came here from being the Winnipeg Jets. Arizona is not a hockey state yet they have a great following here because they marketed themselves to Arizonans.

The Cardinals just ooze the word failure.

By my calculations the Cardinals are one of the least successful teams in the league (3rd from the bottom since 1933 and 2nd to last since 1966). They started as one of the original teams in 1920 and have only had a handful of winning seasons in their nearly 90s years of operation and only a single Championship Game win and that was in 1947! (They were awarded the title in 1925 when all you had to do was have the best record, no game was played so I don't count those).

As Hos said, it is due to their ownership being inept, greedy, and stingy. They have always been that way.
 
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