Why i think going defense with the 1st pick is a bad idea

[Teague31]

I don't have a problem with going defense. I have a problem with taking a guy they see as a corner that has 3 career picks in college. We have enough non playmakers in the secondary as it is

 

[ROUSH8692]

Hear me out.

Its no secret Romo is one big hit away of being done for the year and maybe longer.

McFadden and Morris are iffy at best to carry us after this year. Mc Fadden's contract is over after this year and Morris is signed for two years. This being said if we go defense with the first pick we could possibly have TWO large holes in the offense at the end of the year.

We have invested heavily in our offensive line which made Demarco all pro caliber and made Mc Fadden look great. So why not take Elliott with the first pick and have him run being this great line for 5 years. How great would that be? It would take pressure off Romo and open up the passing game because teams will have to load the box just like when Murray was here. It will slow the pass rush which in turn preserves Romos playing time. Just imagine what this offense could be with an outstanding running game.

I understand we are hurting on Defense. But if we have an unstoppable offense it protects the defense just like when Murray was here. If we go Defense and Romo gets hurt I seriously doubt Mc Fadden and Morris will scare anyone.

I'm not willing to go into the 2017 season with a broken Romo and needing a running back. Preserve Romo and Run the ball down their throats. Lets get back to the 90's team that Garrett really built this offense to emulate and maybe then we can count on Romo lasting a few more years.

Isn't any QB one hit away?

 

[erod]

I want to be able to say in three years, I'm sure glad we took that guy because he's awesome.

I want good players. Whoever they are and whatever they play. Quarterback would be a bonus, but you'd better dadgum be right about who you pick.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Hear me out.

Its no secret Romo is one big hit away of being done for the year and maybe longer.

McFadden and Morris are iffy at best to carry us after this year. Mc Fadden's contract is over after this year and Morris is signed for two years. This being said if we go defense with the first pick we could possibly have TWO large holes in the offense at the end of the year.

We have invested heavily in our offensive line which made Demarco all pro caliber and made Mc Fadden look great. So why not take Elliott with the first pick and have him run being this great line for 5 years. How great would that be? It would take pressure off Romo and open up the passing game because teams will have to load the box just like when Murray was here. It will slow the pass rush which in turn preserves Romos playing time. Just imagine what this offense could be with an outstanding running game.

I understand we are hurting on Defense. But if we have an unstoppable offense it protects the defense just like when Murray was here. If we go Defense and Romo gets hurt I seriously doubt Mc Fadden and Morris will scare anyone.

I'm not willing to go into the 2017 season with a broken Romo and needing a running back. Preserve Romo and Run the ball down their throats. Lets get back to the 90's team that Garrett really built this offense to emulate and maybe then we can count on Romo lasting a few more years.

There are a lot of RBs in the draft who could be major improvements. I would love to see Alex Collins behind our line - it feels like a perfect match to me.

I like Elliot and think he should be one of our top targets if we trade down to 7+. We have way too many holes to go RB at 4. If we want him, we should trade down and get an extra pick.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Not wasting the 4th pick overall on thee most interchangeable position in football, especially in today's NFL on a running back

 

[The Quest for Six]

I really can't believe there are people that wouldn't be giddy to have Ramsey on this team. The guy is the best or 2nd best player in this draft and if he's at number 4 we should be jumping up and down with pure joy like a little boy does when he gets his first bike.

If Ramsey makes it to Dallas at 4, I think there would be a sprint to see how fast to get the card turned in.....

 

[Craig]

I find it hilarious that you ask why not spend the first pick on a running back, but in the preceding sentence you answered your question.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hear me out.

Its no secret Romo is one big hit away of being done for the year and maybe longer.

McFadden and Morris are iffy at best to carry us after this year. Mc Fadden's contract is over after this year and Morris is signed for two years. This being said if we go defense with the first pick we could possibly have TWO large holes in the offense at the end of the year.

We have invested heavily in our offensive line which made Demarco all pro caliber and made Mc Fadden look great. So why not take Elliott with the first pick and have him run being this great line for 5 years. How great would that be? It would take pressure off Romo and open up the passing game because teams will have to load the box just like when Murray was here. It will slow the pass rush which in turn preserves Romos playing time. Just imagine what this offense could be with an outstanding running game.

I understand we are hurting on Defense. But if we have an unstoppable offense it protects the defense just like when Murray was here. If we go Defense and Romo gets hurt I seriously doubt Mc Fadden and Morris will scare anyone.

I'm not willing to go into the 2017 season with a broken Romo and needing a running back. Preserve Romo and Run the ball down their throats. Lets get back to the 90's team that Garrett really built this offense to emulate and maybe then we can count on Romo lasting a few more years.

Personally, I would rather take a Ramsey and a Henry. Zeke is a sure thing, but very hard to burn the #4 pick on a back when we rarely get up here.

We still need DE, CB, QB and great ones. Got to get one of those at #4 in my opinion.

 

[Sydla]

So let me in on the plan since your in the know. Sure they might not want to sign a high priced FA running back for big dollars. I can agree the front office is not on board with with that. But it doesn't cost nearly as much to pay a top RB that you draft. If you cant sign him to a second contract in 5 years then so be it. Run him hard for the 5 years.

Seems to me they realized what they lost when Murray left. that's why rumor has it they tried to get him back. It not only took pressure off Romo but it made the Defense a top defense. Last year with most of the same players the defense looked sorry. They were on the field too long because the offense couldn't move the ball or score. We lost way to many games where we scored under 17 points.

Actually it does. For example, Lamar Miller got around $14MM guaranteed. Taking Elliott at 4 would mean giving him a contract with around $24MM guaranteed.

They never said they weren't looking to improve the running back situation. They'll probably take one in the mid rounds of this draft, maybe even the 2nd if they really like one. You bring up that they inquired about Murray (which was before they signed Morris, I believe) but note they didn't bring him back. Why? Because he was still too costly in terms of money for their liking.

So I think it's fairly clear that there is little chance Elliott is a target at #4 given how they've been pretty clear and steadfast with regards to the assets they will place in the RB position.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Call it what you want. If we take Bosa or Ramsey or anyone else and Romo goes down, then it wont matter how good they are because just like last year we wont be able to score. I'm just doubting Romo can take many more hits. Its time we build behind all the money we invested in the Oline. Are you willing to risk going into 2017 needing a RB and QB?

Based on your 2017 scenario...........wouldnt you rather grab the QB here instead of the RB? WE could have zeke all we want, but if we dont have the QB it means little. 8-8 all over again for the next 5 years.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually it does. For example, Lamar Miller got around $14MM guaranteed. Taking Elliott at 4 would mean giving him a contract with around $24MM guaranteed.

They never said they weren't looking to improve the running back situation. They'll probably take one in the mid rounds of this draft, maybe even the 2nd if they really like one. You bring up that they inquired about Murray (which was before they signed Morris, I believe) but note they didn't bring him back. Why? Because he was still too costly in terms of money for their liking.

So I think it's fairly clear that there is little chance Elliott is a target at #4 given how they've been pretty clear and steadfast with regards to the assets they will place in the RB position.

I have to agree with this. They clearly dont value the RB position anymore here in Dallas. Elliott is a pipe dream.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Never wait until the following year to get a player you think is better.
That's like passing on...oh say...let's pass on Marino because Payton Manning is coming out next year. though we have no idea where we will picking at.

Except that there are multiple RBs coming out next year that are good. Heck, there is plently this year.

The talent drop off from #1 RD to #2,3,4 RD RB is slight (especially with our line) compared to the talent drop-off of 1 RD defensive players & QBs.

 

[Verdict]

Quite honestly, I think forcing a pick on defense is quite stupid. If the grade is there and it lines up with need, sure, go defense. But the player at #4 should be a true blue chip impact player, and if not, it is a horrible pissing off of the 4th pick.

If they have grade on Zeke that warrants the pick, at #4 I have no trouble with it. I do not believe ANY running back can run behind this line. But I think the top 3 or 4 backs in this draft could probably all make some significant noise behind this line.

 

[DFWJC]

Actually it does. For example, Lamar Miller got around $14MM guaranteed. Taking Elliott at 4 would mean giving him a contract with around $24MM guaranteed.

They never said they weren't looking to improve the running back situation. They'll probably take one in the mid rounds of this draft, maybe even the 2nd if they really like one. You bring up that they inquired about Murray (which was before they signed Morris, I believe) but note they didn't bring him back. Why? Because he was still too costly in terms of money for their liking.

So I think it's fairly clear that there is little chance Elliott is a target at #4 given how they've been pretty clear and steadfast with regards to the assets they will place in the RB position.

I agree.

Right or wrong....the only way Elliott becomes a Cowboy is if they trade down and he drops to them. And then it's a big IF

 

[Sydla]

Quite honestly, I think forcing a pick on defense is quite stupid. If the grade is there and it lines up with need, sure, go defense. But the player at #4 should be a true blue chip impact player, and if not, it is a horrible pissing off of the 4th pick.

If they have grade on Zeke that warrants the pick, at #4 I have no trouble with it. I do not believe ANY running back can run behind this line. But I think the top 3 or 4 backs in this draft could probably all make some significant noise behind this line.

Kind of proved it last year. They took a retread in McFadden and made him look competent and did so without having any real passing threat when both Romo and Bryant were down for the count.

That doesn't mean I think you can take some bum bagging groceries and make him a stud. McFadden, despite his struggles, still has some talent. But I also think that you don't need an elite level TB to have a very successful running game behind this OL.

This is one of the benefits of building such a dominant OL. You don't have to have Adrian Peterson on your team to be an excellent run game and the Cowboys know this.

They'll go with McFadden, with Morris as insurance, then take a kid in the 3rd round or so in this draft and frankly, that should be more than successful (granted as long as Romo is healthy).

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Hear me out.

Its no secret Romo is one big hit away of being done for the year and maybe longer.

McFadden and Morris are iffy at best to carry us after this year. Mc Fadden's contract is over after this year and Morris is signed for two years. This being said if we go defense with the first pick we could possibly have TWO large holes in the offense at the end of the year.

We have invested heavily in our offensive line which made Demarco all pro caliber and made Mc Fadden look great. So why not take Elliott with the first pick and have him run being this great line for 5 years. How great would that be? It would take pressure off Romo and open up the passing game because teams will have to load the box just like when Murray was here. It will slow the pass rush which in turn preserves Romos playing time. Just imagine what this offense could be with an outstanding running game.

I understand we are hurting on Defense. But if we have an unstoppable offense it protects the defense just like when Murray was here. If we go Defense and Romo gets hurt I seriously doubt Mc Fadden and Morris will scare anyone.

I'm not willing to go into the 2017 season with a broken Romo and needing a running back. Preserve Romo and Run the ball down their throats. Lets get back to the 90's team that Garrett really built this offense to emulate and maybe then we can count on Romo lasting a few more years.

So you're resting your hope on Kellen Moore and Zeke scaring defenses?

 

[AbeBeta]

the team should draft a RB but it won't be Elliott at 4

I don't understand why people like Zeke at say 7 but not at 4. Yes, we have holes on D but this group is a ton better when we dictate the game on offense.

 

[seamus18]

I'm not going to go as far as being all in for Zeke, but I do look back to last years draft. We had just lost Murray and if I remember correctly, a lot of this board was really hoping that Gurley or Gordon would fall to us. Didn't happen. Now we have a chance to draft the top RB and not have to wish and hope he falls. We get to make the call. Just saying.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ZEKE THREAD!!!

Again.

 

[td4mvp2k]

I don't understand why people like Zeke at say 7 but not at 4. Yes, we have holes on D but this group is a ton better when we dictate the game on offense.

tbh I don't want a RB in the 1st rd and with Morris signed I think they dont feel the need to use their top pick on a RB