Why i think going defense with the 1st pick is a bad idea

[Sydla]

I don't understand why people like Zeke at say 7 but not at 4. Yes, we have holes on D but this group is a ton better when we dictate the game on offense.

Well for one, if you trade down from 4 to 7 you are probably picking up another quality pick or two, which can be used to fill another need. So right there, wouldn't Elliott at 7 with another 2nd rounder in your pocket be better than Elliott at 4?

Secondly, it's also about what the Cowboys want. It's clear they have no desire to pay a TB top dollars. Elliott at 4 would be guaranteed $24MM. Elliott at 7 would be guaranteed around $16MM. Likely, that would still be too high for the front office but certainly better than paying a TB $24MM guaranteed.

 

[Craig]

I don't understand why people like Zeke at say 7 but not at 4. Yes, we have holes on D but this group is a ton better when we dictate the game on offense.

Because the assumption is that if you get him at 4 youre picking up a 2nd or 3rd in the draft and not entirely wasting a pick in this draft on a not premiere position. Id rather they avoid him altogether in the first though.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not going to go as far as being all in for Zeke, but I do look back to last years draft. We had just lost Murray and if I remember correctly, a lot of this board was really hoping that Gurley or Gordon would fall to us. Didn't happen. Now we have a chance to draft the top RB and not have to wish and hope he falls. We get to make the call. Just saying.

Comparing picking at 4 with the hopes when picking in the 20s is a completely different situation.

 

[Craig]

I'm not going to go as far as being all in for Zeke, but I do look back to last years draft. We had just lost Murray and if I remember correctly, a lot of this board was really hoping that Gurley or Gordon would fall to us. Didn't happen. Now we have a chance to draft the top RB and not have to wish and hope he falls. We get to make the call. Just saying.

The same people that wanted gordon and gurley to fall want them to draft elliott. The rest dont want to spend a first on a rb.

 

[conner01]

Call it what you want. If we take Bosa or Ramsey or anyone else and Romo goes down, then it wont matter how good they are because just like last year we wont be able to score. I'm just doubting Romo can take many more hits. Its time we build behind all the money we invested in the Oline. Are you willing to risk going into 2017 needing a RB and QB?

there will be rb's in every round and RB is one of the few spots plugging in a rookie doesn't matter much so

 

[Verdict]

I'm not going to go as far as being all in for Zeke, but I do look back to last years draft. We had just lost Murray and if I remember correctly, a lot of this board was really hoping that Gurley or Gordon would fall to us. Didn't happen. Now we have a chance to draft the top RB and not have to wish and hope he falls. We get to make the call. Just saying.

Maybe the Rams are encouraged enough with Gurley's performance that they don't want his window to close by injury that they accelerated the process of getting a franchise QB.

 

[ChooChoo73]

Im shocked the presidential debates haven't turned into a shooting match over Zeke. Then again, there's still time.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There are really good options later in the draft at RB in my opinion. I see no reason to spend a premium pick on a RB at this point. I like Zeke and if we take him, that's fine but honestly, I would rather draft a player that helps a weaker position group.

I really like Dixon. I think Prosise could turn out to be a David Johnson type player. Kenyan Drake is really interesting. Howard is a Murray clone. Daruis Jackson is a really interesting guy. I love this guy as a late pick that you could bring in and maybe find a starting RB. He catches the ball, he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him, he blocks well, he played some Safety so the kid knows how to tackle. This kid has some skills and purely from just a combine performance perspective, he's five pounds liter then Zeke and just as tall. His quickness, speed and explosion numbers are just as good and in most areas, better then Zeke's and he went to Eastern Michigan, which is not a power house. You figure that Zeke has trained at one of the top 3 to 5 facilities programs in the Country and this kid, he has yet to receive that type of training. His upside, to me, is way higher.

I just think it's smart to look lower in the draft for a possible future starter at RB and rely on our OL and some good vets to produce. As many have said, there are a lot of Backs coming out next year that could be better then Zeke so to me, it's just smart football.

 

[Cas2800]

Personally, I would rather take a Ramsey and a Henry. Zeke is a sure thing, but very hard to burn the #4 pick on a back when we rarely get up here.

We still need DE, CB, QB and great ones. Got to get one of those at #4 in my opinion.

I'm not sold on Bosa. What corner would you take at #4? Ramsey is predicted to be a better safety then corner and both QB's will probably be gone by #4.

 

[Cas2800]

Based on your 2017 scenario...........wouldnt you rather grab the QB here instead of the RB? WE could have zeke all we want, but if we dont have the QB it means little. 8-8 all over again for the next 5 years.

Yes I would grab a QB first. But by the looks of things both top QB's might already be gone. If not then that sure is an option.

 

[JoeKing]

Hear me out.

Its no secret Romo is one big hit away of being done for the year and maybe longer.

McFadden and Morris are iffy at best to carry us after this year. Mc Fadden's contract is over after this year and Morris is signed for two years. This being said if we go defense with the first pick we could possibly have TWO large holes in the offense at the end of the year.

We have invested heavily in our offensive line which made Demarco all pro caliber and made Mc Fadden look great. So why not take Elliott with the first pick and have him run being this great line for 5 years. How great would that be? It would take pressure off Romo and open up the passing game because teams will have to load the box just like when Murray was here. It will slow the pass rush which in turn preserves Romos playing time. Just imagine what this offense could be with an outstanding running game.

I understand we are hurting on Defense. But if we have an unstoppable offense it protects the defense just like when Murray was here. If we go Defense and Romo gets hurt I seriously doubt Mc Fadden and Morris will scare anyone.

I'm not willing to go into the 2017 season with a broken Romo and needing a running back. Preserve Romo and Run the ball down their throats. Lets get back to the 90's team that Garrett really built this offense to emulate and maybe then we can count on Romo lasting a few more years.

If you want folks to "hear me out", them lead with your most compelling case first, not with a weak opinion like "McFadden and Morris are iffy at best... after next year". I read that and stopped reading. How many "iffy" positions do we have on this team? Some of them are on defense but you think that can be ignored to fill "iffy" offence? No, you need balance.

 

[Swanny]

What if the wheels on the bike are defective? Just can't tell from the advertisement of it on the video.

Then that Bike would be known as Morris Claiborne

 

[jazzcat22]

Then that Bike would be known as Morris Claiborne

Nice post.

 

[dcjules]

I really can't believe there are people that wouldn't be giddy to have Ramsey on this team. The guy is the best or 2nd best player in this draft and if he's at number 4 we should be jumping up and down with pure joy like a little boy does when he gets his first bike.

Ramsey is the only guy I want above Elliott...

 

[boysfanindc]

I was thinking maybe I should start a Zeke thread. What do you guys think?

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Fear not peeps there will be a gurley/ elliot come out next year and the next and the next

 

[Cas2800]

Fear not peeps there will be a gurley/ elliot come out next year and the next and the next

That doesn't mean we will have a top 5 pick to pick him next year.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Anytime someone starts a thread named "going defense with the first pick is a bad idea" should reconsider and start a different one.

 

[conner01]

I really can't believe there are people that wouldn't be giddy to have Ramsey on this team. The guy is the best or 2nd best player in this draft and if he's at number 4 we should be jumping up and down with pure joy like a little boy does when he gets his first bike.

I don't think I would be giddy but I think with the qb's gone, no Dware type pass rushers in this draft it's the best option. I would be just as excited if tunsil fell and we could trade down. I like Ramsey but there are other safeties I like too. If I thought he could be a star CB I'd be much more excited. I think he can be a decent CB but I think safety is his best position.

 

[DeaconMoss]

When you evaluate what you want as a fan, first realize where the plan is already going. Murray, McFadden and Morris all point to a decision within the organization that Fans shouldn't disregard.

Plus Elliot has off the field concerns - which are really adding up with the likes Gregory, McClain who are close to finished with one more positive test, and supposedly the Kraken was partying Hardy last year as well.

That's the thing. If zeke was so awesome he wouldn't be a rave addict and is not worthy of 4 pick. Take ramsey or tunsil. Or trade someone for the rights to ramsey or tunsil. That's the cards we have as of now IMO