Why is Carpenter playing inside?

[Hostile]

Which brings us full circle.

We never in our wildest dreams thought Ellis could do it. That's why Carpenter is playing inside now.

Yeah, as one of Ellis' main detractors as he started his whine fest my silence is deafening now.

 

[AbeBeta]

Which brings us full circle.

We never in our wildest dreams thought Ellis could do it. That's why Carpenter is playing inside now.

Full circle, yes. For the discussion.

Ellis' move though is nowhere near completion. Let's see how he plays in coverage against the Seahawks TEs. When teams start to scheme him into coverage it could get worrisome.

 

[Alexander]

As long as we don't have offenses setting up their offensive gameplan by killing us with the power sweep (like KC did and a few others at the end of the year) I don't care where they play!

That said, if Ellis does well and Carp plays inside then Ayodele was a bit of an unnecessary expense IMO.

That interesting you said that because one of the things Ellis is doing very well from the spot is stringing out runs for minimal gains.

 

[Doomsday101]

Full circle, yes. For the discussion.

Ellis' move though is nowhere near completion. Let's see how he plays in coverage against the Seahawks TEs. When teams start to scheme him into coverage it could get worrisome.

It could then again Ellis may very well be able to handle it. Evidently he has shown enough to the coaching staff for them the feel he can do it.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't know why people assume that a Top 20 pick in the draft is just expected to start from Day 1. Looking at the game logs of the 18th picks in the draft over the last 7 years, they only started a combined 53 out of 112 games their rookie seasons. Only 2 of the 7 started the first game of the season. Most of the ones that did eventually make it into the starting lineup did so around Week 7 or 8, including the last two: Erasmus James and Will Smith.

 

[Alexander]

Full circle, yes. For the discussion.

Ellis' move though is nowhere near completion. Let's see how he plays in coverage against the Seahawks TEs. When teams start to scheme him into coverage it could get worrisome.

And when they do that, I am sure we will adjust.

I don't see Ellis as a fulltime starter outside. I think eventually his role will be reduced more and more if he shows he cannot handle the responsibilities. Then he might whine again.

Right now, we are going to see what happens. If we had no other options, I would worry about it. But the great thing is, we have options.

There are bigger things to worry about on this team than what we do about any one of the linebacker spots. There are more terrifying things we can all gnaw on our fingernails over.

 

[aikemirv]

That interesting you said that because one of the things Ellis is doing very well from the spot is stringing out runs for minimal gains.

Yeah, I was excited to see that too, but the problem seemed more on Ware's side, so it did not give me a lot of comfort. Hopefully Ware will make a big improvement in that area.

 

[junk]

I don't know why people assume that a Top 20 pick in the draft is just expected to start from Day 1. Looking at the game logs of the 18th picks in the draft over the last 7 years, they only started a combined 53 out of 112 games their rookie seasons. Only 2 of the 7 started the first game of the season. Most of the ones that did eventually make it into the starting lineup did so around Week 7 or 8, including the last two: Erasmus James and Will Smith.

Slow day at work?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I read it was because Carp is versatale and smart.

 

[wileedog]

Inside Linebackers are not going to be the pass rushing forces that OLB's are...And that's what I think Carpenter would be good at...Pass rushing and better than Ellis...Plus I don't think Ellis will be as good in pass coverage.

Parcells makes mistakes...he's not God.

Carpenter wasn't drafted just because he was a good pass rusher. He was picked because it was thought he was the most complete LBer in the draft - rush, coverage, run-stopping.

His skill set will still be utilized inside.

Furthermore, there is no doubt Ellis is still a decent if not awe-inspiring pass rusher. Since you certainly can't move Ellis inside, then by default you have to have either Bobby or Ellis on the field, not both.

Seems to me you are maximizing your potential this way. And its not like you are going to be seeing Gregg Ellis chasing Tony Gonzeles 30 yards down field.

 

[Concord]

Carpenter wasn't drafted just because he was a good pass rusher. He was picked because it was thought he was the most complete LBer in the draft - rush, coverage, run-stopping.

His skill set will still be utilized inside.

Furthermore, there is no doubt Ellis is still a decent if not awe-inspiring pass rusher. Since you certainly can't move Ellis inside, then by default you have to have either Bobby or Ellis on the field, not both.

Seems to me you are maximizing your potential this way. And its not like you are going to be seeing Gregg Ellis chasing Tony Gonzeles 30 yards down field.

Just had my Heart set on Carpenter and Ware coming from both sides.

I'm sure it will still happen.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Slow day at work?

Yes, but it never ceases to surprise how many widely held rules of thumb typed out over and over and over again in long winded post after long winded post for 7+ threads can be completely discarded with 2 minutes of fact checking on NFL.com.

As far Carps pass rush skills, looking at his highlight videos it was rare that he got a sack by using a traditional rip-swim move on an offensive tackle to turn the corner and make the sack ala Ware or Ellis. Generally all of his sacks came on a blitz through an inside gap where he caught the defense by surprise and wasn't picked up in time. His pass rushing skills are better suited to inside blitzes. He's more of a Bruschi type.

 

[Concord]

And who is jumping up and down about him being inside? I don't think he is a bad fit there and I certainly liked what I saw of him outside with the Buckeyes as I am certain you did.

But at least we are reacting and getting him some playing time. This is a positive, not a negative. I don't see how anyone can see it otherwise. Would it be better just to have him as a third string than a second and playing often in the nickel?

I think we will see him rotate heavily with Ayodele in the base defense and then play in the nickel. That's not a bad thing, just not what we all expected.

Not jumping up and down...Just want him and Ware coming from the outside...I think they'll make a Great Duo.

 

[Alexander]

Not jumping up and down...Just want him and Ware coming from the outside...I think they'll make a Great Duo.

Be patient. Ellis won't be around forever.

 

[zrinkill]

Why is everyone so upset about our 2 best pass rushers from last year playing with the great pass rusher we drafted this year ...... all on the field at the same time????

am I missing something?

 

[wileedog]

Just had my Heart set on Carpenter and Ware coming from both sides.

I'm sure Ayodele did too. Nobody likes having a #1 draft pick sitting behind him on the depth chart...

 

[Concord]

Be patient. Ellis won't be around forever.

I don't know but I really am going to have to see Ellis play OLB...I just have a hard time envisioning him being able to move like you need to to be a OLB.

 

[Alexander]

Why is everyone so upset about our 2 best pass rushers from last year playing with the great pass rusher we drafted this year ...... all on the field at the same time????

am I missing something?

It is a very very bad thing.

Why?

Because it was not expected and also because first round draft choices are supposed to start from day one.

 

[Alexander]

I don't know but I really am going to have to see Ellis play OLB...I just have a hard time envisioning him being able to move like you need to to be a OLB.

Parcells thinks he can be as effective as McGinest, which is why he even thought of it. Ellis sells himself short and I even think his biggest supporters follow suit. He has surprised himself two years running. It sounds to me he really doesn't know his own talent as much as the head coach does.

 

[Concord]

I'm sure Ayodele did too. Nobody likes having a #1 draft pick sitting behind him on the depth chart...

Well someones going to be Unhappy...Either Ellis or Ayodele...And since Ellis is already unhappy anyways...: