Why is Dak refusing to give the cowboys a discount? Mahomes did!

[kskboys]

I do not have the ability to paint a white board pic for ya. Sorry.

STOP acting the fool. You know damn well what is conveyed.

Didn't your mama teach you not to answer a question with a question?

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[kskboys]

Cause you don't know the specifics of business.

Just spouting off conjecture, opinion and personal emotion.

Personal narratives never work........you'll lose track of the reality. Good luck!!

And another nonsensical post. Ur a strange cookie. I'm trying to feel insulted by your blabber, but I"m not succeeding.

 

[Jake]

Discount?

Mahomes got a huge contract AND knows he can win titles in KC. There's nothing to suggest to Dak that titles are realistically possible in Dallas.

If I'm Dak I want a premium to hitch myself to Jerry's wagon long-term. Otherwise he can watch me leave, be it this year or next.

 

[kskboys]

Discount?

Mahomes got a huge contract AND knows he can win titles in KC. There's nothing to suggest to Dak that titles are realistically possible in Dallas.

If I'm Dak I want a premium to hitch myself to Jerry's wagon long-term. Otherwise he can watch me leave, be it this year or next.

Pretty much.

Taking out the fact that I'm a Cowboys fan, this is not the org I'd want to be w/ as a player. Especially in my 20's when I was beyond competitive.

 

[ondaedg]

I don't understand the hangup with the length of his contract. 4 years is the standard so give him 4 years. And this idea that a 4yr contract will permanently destroy the Cowboys franchise is just boggling to me. Just mystified at the comments.

 

[kskboys]

I don't understand the hangup with the length of his contract. 4 years is the standard so give him 4 years. And this idea that a 4yr contract will permanently destroy the Cowboys franchise is just boggling to me. Just mystified at the comments.

I disagree that it's the standard. Mahomes just signed a 10 year deal.

Permanently? I haven't seen anyone say that, where did you get that idea from?

OK, let me try to explain. We are not a super bowl contender at present. To get there, we need to fill some gaps. To fill those gaps, we need every resource available, including salary cap room. Signing Dak to a 4 year top dollar deal assures us that we will not be able to build the team. Make sense now?

Take Mahomes, for example. He signed a long term deal, which allowed them to sign Chris Jones. How? By having a lower salary cap hit the first 4-5 years.

Do you get it now?

 

[RonnieT24]

I disagree that it's the standard. Mahomes just signed a 10 year deal.

Permanently? I haven't seen anyone say that, where did you get that idea from?

OK, let me try to explain. We are not a super bowl contender at present. To get there, we need to fill some gaps. To fill those gaps, we need every resource available, including salary cap room. Signing Dak to a 4 year top dollar deal assures us that we will not be able to build the team. Make sense now?

Take Mahomes, for example. He signed a long term deal, which allowed them to sign Chris Jones. How? By having a lower salary cap hit the first 4-5 years.

Do you get it now?

Yeah the longer the deal the bigger the signing bonus can be. Surely Dak will understand the value of having $100 million dropped into his bank account the day he signs vs say $70 million and hope all goes well the next few years after I have kneecapped the organization against the cap for the next 3-4 years. Given how painful this process has been for all involved I don't blame the Cowboys for not wanting to be back here in three years.. Do you? Besides if Dak takes the team on a couple of deep playoff runs Jerry will gladly hand him the name your price tool for the next contract.

 

[Vtwin]

I don't understand the hangup with the length of his contract. 4 years is the standard so give him 4 years. And this idea that a 4yr contract will permanently destroy the Cowboys franchise is just boggling to me. Just mystified at the comments.

Can you give some examples of four years being the standard?

I don't believe you will find even one example of a QB being under contract for only four years after signing a new contract.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I disagree that it's the standard. Mahomes just signed a 10 year deal.

Permanently? I haven't seen anyone say that, where did you get that idea from?

OK, let me try to explain. We are not a super bowl contender at present. To get there, we need to fill some gaps. To fill those gaps, we need every resource available, including salary cap room. Signing Dak to a 4 year top dollar deal assures us that we will not be able to build the team. Make sense now?

Take Mahomes, for example. He signed a long term deal, which allowed them to sign Chris Jones. How? By having a lower salary cap hit the first 4-5 years.

Do you get it now?

false false false....

based on your post, you are suggesting that we need to build a team, and I am assuming a defense through FA. that has never worked. you fill in a gap here or there but can't BUILD through FA.

and your statement would be true, if we had defensive players close to FA that we want to sign and need money. right now not only we don't have any defensive players we may want to resign, I would like to get rid of a couple or three.

and as you said, KC had Jones......is there a "jones" on this team you would like to sign? lets get there first before counting our chickens....

 

[kskboys]

Yeah the longer the deal the bigger the signing bonus can be. Surely Dak will understand the value of having $100 million dropped into his bank account the day he signs vs say $70 million and hope all goes well the next few years after I have kneecapped the organization against the cap for the next 3-4 years. Given how painful this process has been for all involved I don't blame the Cowboys for not wanting to be back here in three years.. Do you? Besides if Dak takes the team on a couple of deep playoff runs Jerry will gladly hand him the name your price tool for the next contract.

I actually cannot comprehend Dak's stance in this. That's why the only conclusion I can logically see is that he doesn't want to be here. Surely he's not so greedy and shallow that he can't see that a short term maxed out deal hamstrings the team?

 

[kskboys]

false false false....

based on your post, you are suggesting that we need to build a team, and I am assuming a defense through FA. that has never worked. you fill in a gap here or there but can't BUILD through FA.

and your statement would be true, if we had defensive players close to FA that we want to sign and need money. right now not only we don't have any defensive players we may want to resign, I would like to get rid of a couple or three.

and as you said, KC had Jones......is there a "jones" on this team you would like to sign? lets get there first before counting our chickens....

Not false at all. I'm not seeing how your refuted what I said. Not even a little.

Are you claiming that overpaying players doesn't affect the team as a whole?

 

[Flamma]

This thread is 27 pages long. Very few people pointed out that Mahomes did not give any discounts. Once 2022 hits his cap hits are astronomical. They're not winning anything.

 

[kskboys]

This thread is 27 pages long. Very few people pointed out that Mahomes did not give any discounts. Once 2022 hits his cap hits are astronomical. They're not winning anything.

He did. 27 mil for the first 4-5 years. And the contract is long, so it can be kicked down the road if more help is needed in the future.

 

[Aviano90]

He did. 27 mil for the first 4-5 years. And the contract is long, so it can be kicked down the road if more help is needed in the future.

Don’t we hate kicking the can down the road?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not false at all. I'm not seeing how your refuted what I said. Not even a little.

Are you claiming that overpaying players doesn't affect the team as a whole?

your quote:

"To fill those gaps, we need every resource available, including salary cap room. Signing Dak to a 4 year top dollar deal assures us that we will not be able to build the team. ".

yes we need to fill the gaps. you didn't explain why we need the salary cap room to fill those gaps, the only conclusion is through FA, given there is not one player we need/want to extend on the defensive side of the ball. you tried to connect needing cap room to sign players (without naming which players and how) to Paying Dak would prevent that (without saying why)....its conjecture at best.

you didn't prove anything about paying dak would prevent the team from building a contender.....

and I never said over pay anyone that's not worthed. you will over pay in FA, offense or defense doesn't matter....

are you saying its ok to over pay for defensive FA? (whom?).

 

[5Stars]

your quote:

"To fill those gaps, we need every resource available, including salary cap room. Signing Dak to a 4 year top dollar deal assures us that we will not be able to build the team. ".

yes we need to fill the gaps. you didn't explain why we need the salary cap room to fill those gaps, the only conclusion is through FA, given there is not one player we need/want to extend on the defensive side of the ball. you tried to connect needing cap room to sign players (without naming which players and how) to Paying Dak would prevent that (without saying why)....its conjecture at best.

you didn't prove anything about paying dak would prevent the team from building a contender.....

and I never said over pay anyone that's not worthed. you will over pay in FA, offense or defense doesn't matter....

are you saying its ok to over pay for defensive FA? (whom?).

wth? Sometime you can't make sense out of nonsense. I laugh at you.

 

[Aviano90]

Who are the morons that think Mahomes gave a discount? Will the real Slim Morons please stand up?

 

[ondaedg]

I disagree that it's the standard. Mahomes just signed a 10 year deal.

Permanently? I haven't seen anyone say that, where did you get that idea from?

OK, let me try to explain. We are not a super bowl contender at present. To get there, we need to fill some gaps. To fill those gaps, we need every resource available, including salary cap room. Signing Dak to a 4 year top dollar deal assures us that we will not be able to build the team. Make sense now?

Take Mahomes, for example. He signed a long term deal, which allowed them to sign Chris Jones. How? By having a lower salary cap hit the first 4-5 years.

Do you get it now?

I get the premise that you think we need more money to sign free agents. Thing is free agency is not going to rescue this team. Furthermore look at all the top dollar QBs in the playoffs this year. They're in the playoffs because they signed good QBs. Why aren't their ships sinking even though they are paying bazillions to their QBs?

Sign Dak and pay him market value and deal with the cap issues like every team in the playoffs did. Never let a good young qb walk so you can sign players at other positions. That's Houston Texans' strategy.

 

[Flamma]

He did. 27 mil for the first 4-5 years. And the contract is long, so it can be kicked down the road if more help is needed in the future.

What 27 mil. are you referring to? Remember, his extension doesn't start until 2022. 2020 and 2021 are still part of his rookie contract. A longer contract for a really good player is always good. But considering the numbers, it's hardly worth mentioning. They probably saved between 30-60 million had it been split into two.

 

[Mk2_Cowboys]

I’m a Dak fan but would be ok with a trade . The problem is no other team is going to pay him what he wants either .