Why Is Marinelli Considered Some Genius?

diefree666 said:
Rod has had input on the picks and players we get for 4 years. So what we have now is pretty much what he has wanted. Sure we probably missed out on some guys but overall the players we have on D now are what Rod has wanted.
So their performance is on him.


THIS IS 100% TRUTH
He should be gone.
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This is 100% truth
 
Blackspider214 said:
I have yet to see one ounce of that being true while here. He's stubborn and continues to stick to some outdated system any QB with a pulse can exploit. Our defense is soft and predictable. Rob Ryan got crucified and fired for these same results yet I hear nothing but praise for this man. Maybe I'm missing something. Because he is no different than Rob Ryan was his few years here. This defense does nothing well. I really think this is the worst defense in the league but the offense masks it like they did last year.
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Marinelli is not a genius; he's an excellent coach when he has the pieces that he needs because he teaches technique, assignment-sound football and can motivate players. He was a great defensive line coach when he had players like Booger McFarland, Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp in Tampa. His Bears defenses from 2010-2012 were stout, but they had Tommie Harris, Julius Peppers, Henry Melton, Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher, and it's hard to tell how much of a role Love Smith played with those defenses.

So the argument could be that if you give Marinelli great players, he can produce great defenses ... but that argument could be made about a lot of DCs. If you are not going to load the defense with great players, then you need to have a more creative coordinator who stands a chance at confusing the offense instead of depending on his players to just be better than theirs.
 
I seem to remember a GROZ group around these parts a few years ago.

Different names, same results, same complaints.

Only constant is the FO.

Hmmm
 
TWOK11 said:
I mean, Wade Phillips is a terrible HC but an undeniably awesome DC. Buddy Ryan was one of the best DC ever and never won a playoff game as a HC. Dick Lebeau invented the zone blitz and has never even been a HC.

One's ability to be a coordinator doesn't necessarily speak to their head coaching acumen and vice versa.
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Not to pick the nit but LeBeau was head coach of the Bengals for a couple of seasons.
 
Blackspider214 said:
I have yet to see one ounce of that being true while here. He's stubborn and continues to stick to some outdated system any QB with a pulse can exploit. Our defense is soft and predictable. Rob Ryan got crucified and fired for these same results yet I hear nothing but praise for this man. Maybe I'm missing something. Because he is no different than Rob Ryan was his few years here. This defense does nothing well. I really think this is the worst defense in the league but the offense masks it like they did last year.
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You cant fault the guy for not being able to deal with having the worst talent in the NFL at his disposal.
 
Blackspider214 said:
I have yet to see one ounce of that being true while here. He's stubborn and continues to stick to some outdated system any QB with a pulse can exploit. Our defense is soft and predictable. Rob Ryan got crucified and fired for these same results yet I hear nothing but praise for this man. Maybe I'm missing something. Because he is no different than Rob Ryan was his few years here. This defense does nothing well. I really think this is the worst defense in the league but the offense masks it like they did last year.
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Not sure. Because he has cool nicknames for players maybe? Certainly not from production. I tried to tell people in 14 and in 16 the D was still terrible, it was just only on the field for 25 minutes a game, which made them look average instead of terrible. The lack of turnovers is almost unbelievable.
 
If I were looking for a good d-line coach Rod M. would be someone to look at because he is a very good position coach. If I were looking for a defensive coordinator I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Reason being, I don't think that he has a very good feel for the game and schematically doesn't put his players in a position to be successful more often than not.

Craig
 
He's so overrated. He needs talent to field a great defense? Well he had Urlacher, Peppers, and Tillman in Chicago from 2009-2012 and here are Rodgers stats against the Bears in 8 regular season games:

15 TDs, 4 INTs
249 yards/game
68.69% completion
102.41 QB rating
7-1 record

^that is the BEST he can do against Aaron Rodgers. Now the Bears did defend Rodgers pretty well in their one playoff game in 2011 (17-30, 244 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs) but that was the only game and it was in bad/freezing weather, if I recall correctly.

I also looked up how well Marinelli did vs. some other elite QBs during his time in Chicago:

Tom Brady in 2010: 27-40, 369 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs
Drew Brees in 2011: 26-37, 270 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs

So even given a defense with better talent, that is usually the best his defenses can do against elite QBs.
 
gimmesix said:
Marinelli is not a genius; he's an excellent coach when he has the pieces that he needs because he teaches technique, assignment-sound football and can motivate players. He was a great defensive line coach when he had players like Booger McFarland, Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp in Tampa. His Bears defenses from 2010-2012 were stout, but they had Tommie Harris, Julius Peppers, Henry Melton, Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher, and it's hard to tell how much of a role Love Smith played with those defenses.

So the argument could be that if you give Marinelli great players, he can produce great defenses ... but that argument could be made about a lot of DCs. If you are not going to load the defense with great players, then you need to have a more creative coordinator who stands a chance at confusing the offense instead of depending on his players to just be better than theirs.
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The game has changed. He hasnt
 
unionjack8 said:
The game has changed. He hasnt
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I don't think it's so much that as his defense takes high-caliber talent. If you are going to rely on your rushmen to win their battles upfront without much blitzing and limited stunting, then you've got to have some talented rushmen. If your weakside and middle linebackers are going to be called on to not only be your top tacklers but be great in coverage, then you've got to have some talented linebackers. Upfront is where it all starts and if you have those players, you can still play this scheme and play it well, but Dallas doesn't have Rice and Sapp and McFarland and Brooks, etc. The only players at that talent level right now on this defense are Lee and maybe Lawrence.
 
gimmesix said:
I don't think it's so much that as his defense takes high-caliber talent. If you are going to rely on your rushmen to win their battles upfront without much blitzing and limited stunting, then you've got to have some talented rushmen. If your weakside and middle linebackers are going to be called on to not only be your top tacklers but be great in coverage, then you've got to have some talented linebackers. Upfront is where it all starts and if you have those players, you can still play this scheme and play it well, but Dallas doesn't have Rice and Sapp and McFarland and Brooks, etc. The only players at that talent level right now on this defense are Lee and maybe Lawrence.
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then he wont ever win again......ALL defenses have weaknesses. its his job to mask them and adapt his scheme to fit what we have...
 
I'm not sure what exactly he's done to warrant the excuses some around here make for him. The FO has been spending draft capital on the D with no improvements and watched players leave and get better on other teams. We have the same problems now that we had 4 years ago and some want to give him a pass. It's high time to clean house with this coaching staff and he is just as high of a priority as replacing Garrett. Unfortunately he will probably be the scapegoat that saves Garrett, but at least it would be a start.
 
Who considers him a genius? Pretty good DL coach, maybe, but absolutely terrible DC. I've never said anything different, ever, and I know a lot on here feel the same.

I hate this scheme, more than I have the words to describe.
 
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