Why is Moose not in the Ring of Honor?

[Hoofbite]

I'd put him in. I don't think team "honors" need be about being one of the best who have ever played your position. That's what the HoF is for.

Guy played for Dallas for 10 years and represented the team in a manner that everyone should be proud of. He was damn good at his job and played a position that is traditionally under-appreciated, and could soon be extinct.

Until Jimmy gets his spot nobody should ever make a claim that the RoH is about how well you did your job.

Charles Haley is in the RoH. Should he be with about 4-1/2 seasons worth of games played? If Dez went to another team and outperformed his play in Dallas, should he go into the RoH? Hell, what about T.O.?

 

[WV Cowboy]

That was never the standard.

Ya, it's football related only.

I don't think that is true. The word 'Honor' is there for a reason. It was not only about actions on the field, it was also about who brought 'honor' to the Dallas Cowboys organization off the field.

Read the list. Full of great football players for sure, but also great men. But it's a small list for a reason.

I think only 7-8 players received the honor during the first three decades of the Cowboys existence, which makes the RoH a coveted accolade, true to the dream envisioned by Schramm, its creator. Are we to believe that there were only 7 or 8 great players over the first three decades?

(Oh, btw, Schramm became only the 12th person selected to the Ring of Honor; the award was given posthumously in October 2003, a few months after he died.)

Irvin was great on the field, but brought shame to the organization off the field. Once he went in they should have changed the name to 'Ring of Talent' or something else, .. and taken 'Honor' out of the name.

JMO

Added: Ring of Honor inductees have been chosen by the former president-general manager, Tex Schramm and then by owner Jerry Jones. Schramm set a precedent by placing a high value on the character of the inductees. There was controversy over the selection of Michael Irvin due to his drug charges.

 

[Phoenix]

These are intended to be exclusive clubs. Only the best of the best get in.

Yep. And you know what that means: Dale Hellestrae.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Yep. And you know what that means: Dale Hellestrae.

What about LP Ladouceur one day?

 

[joseephuss]

I don't think that is true. The word 'Honor' is there for a reason. It was not only about actions on the field, it was also about who brought 'honor' to the Dallas Cowboys organization off the field.

Read the list. Full of great football players for sure, but also great men. But it's a small list for a reason.

I think only 7-8 players received the honor during the first three decades of the Cowboys existence, which makes the RoH a coveted accolade, true to the dream envisioned by Schramm, its creator. Are we to believe that there were only 7 or 8 great players over the first three decades?

(Oh, btw, Schramm became only the 12th person selected to the Ring of Honor; the award was given posthumously in October 2003, a few months after he died.)

Irvin was great on the field, but brought shame to the organization off the field. Once he went in they should have changed the name to 'Ring of Talent' or something else, .. and taken 'Honor' out of the name.

JMO

Added: Ring of Honor inductees have been chosen by the former president-general manager, Tex Schramm and then by owner Jerry Jones. Schramm set a precedent by placing a high value on the character of the inductees. There was controversy over the selection of Michael Irvin due to his drug charges.

Don Meredith, the second Cowboy ever inducted into the Ring of Honor was hardly known as a choir boy. His induction proves that a player doesn't need to be a perfect person held to extremely high standard off the field to qualify for the RoH.

Yes, there were only 7 to 8 greatest of the great Cowboys players over the first three decades. There were many more great players on those teams, but we are talking about the best of the best. Michael Irvin was one of the best of the best Cowboys to ever play the game. It would be ridiculous for him to be in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame, but not in the Cowboys Ring of Honor.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Don Meredith, the second Cowboy ever inducted into the Ring of Honor was hardly known as a choir boy. His induction proves that a player doesn't need to be a perfect person held to extremely high standard off the field to qualify for the RoH.

Yes, there were only 7 to 8 greatest of the great Cowboys players over the first three decades. There were many more great players on those teams, but we are talking about the best of the best. Michael Irvin was one of the best of the best Cowboys to ever play the game. It would be ridiculous for him to be in the Pro-Football Hall of Fame, but not in the Cowboys Ring of Honor.

I was just saying, when you go out and read about Tex Schramm and the implementation of the ROH, he set a precedent, and placed a high value on the character of the inductees. Having read that, it is clear he was looking at off the field as well as on the field.

That is why it was called the Ring of Honor.
Not every good, or great Dallas Cowboy football player got their name there. It was also how you carried yourself off the field while representing the Dallas Cowboy organization.

Dwayne Thomas and Hollywood Henderson were good enough on the field, but not off.

And I agree with Tex.

Jerry doesn't care.

 

[joseephuss]

I was just saying, when you go out and read about Tex Schramm and the implementation of the ROH, he set a precedent, and placed a high value on the character of the inductees. Having read that, it is clear he was looking at off the field as well as on the field.

That is why it was called the Ring of Honor.
Not every good, or great Dallas Cowboy football player got their name there.

Dwayne Thomas and Hollywood Henderson were good enough on the field, but not off.

And I agree with Tex.

Jerry doesn't care.

You just glossed over Tex Schramm putting Don Meredith in the RoH.

Duane Thomas or Hollywood Henderson are terrible examples as neither guy was good enough on the field to be in the Ring of Honor. Both could have been great players on the field, but their careers were so short they don't warrant any type of consideration for the Ring of Honor. Tex Schramm never had to think about their off the field behavior because they weren't contributors long enough to be some of the best of the best Cowboys. Duane Thomas played 4 years total in the NFL and only 2 with the Cowboys. No one thinks that is good enough to be in the Ring of Honor.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You just glossed over Tex Schramm putting Don Meredith in the RoH.

Duane Thomas or Hollywood Henderson are terrible examples as neither guy was good enough on the field to be in the Ring of Honor. Both could have been great players on the field, but their careers were so short they don't warrant any type of consideration for the Ring of Honor. Tex Schramm never had to think about their off the field behavior because they weren't contributors long enough to be some of the best of the best Cowboys. Duane Thomas played 4 years total in the NFL and only 2 with the Cowboys. No one thinks that is good enough to be in the Ring of Honor.

Maybe they were poor examples for you, but my point was both were good enough athletes/football players, .. but no matter how long they played or what they did on the field, Tex would never put them in the ROH based on off the field actions.

So tell me more about Meredith, .. did he like to drink, did he like women, and like to party? Is that it?

What did he do that would rank up there with hookers, strippers and the White House, doing drugs, getting arrested, cocaine possession, stabbing a teammate, possession of drug paraphernalia , NFL suspension. Did I miss anything?

Irvin does not represent what I think Tex intended when he created the ROH.

Don Meredith was a choir boy when compared to Irvin.

 

[joseephuss]

Maybe they were poor examples for you, but my point was both were good enough athletes/football players, .. but no matter how long they played or what they did on the field, Tex would never put them in the ROH based on off the field actions.

So tell me more about Meredith, .. did he like to drink, did he like women, and like to party? Is that it?

What did he do that would rank up there with hookers, strippers and the White House, doing drugs, getting arrested, cocaine possession, stabbing a teammate, possession of drug paraphernalia , NFL suspension. Did I miss anything?

Irvin does not represent what I think Tex intended when he created the ROH.

Don Meredith was a choir boy when compared to Irvin.

You are darn right that those players were poor examples for me. Especially Duane Thomas. They did not have great careers on the field. That is the most important aspect. If Roger Staubach's career lasted 2 seasons he wouldn't be in the Ring of Honor, either. Roger was a good person off the field, but he made his mark on the field with a long productive career. Thomas and Henderson did not. Who cares what they did off the field if they only play a couple of quality years in Dallas? Henderson only started 37 games while in Dallas.

Calvin Hill is known as a good guy off the field. He played 6 years(Duane Thomas played 2) in Dallas and put up over 5000 yards(Duane Thomas had just under 1600 yards). He isn't in the Ring of Honor. It obviously isn't because of off the field issues. His on the field accomplishments dwarf those of Duane Thomas.

I never said Meredith was as bad as Irvin off the field or even hinted at that notion. I just stated he wasn't a choir boy off the field. You claim that Schramm wanted a high standard off the field, but the second guy Schramm put into the Ring of Honor didn't live up to some phantom high standard off the field.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You claim that Schramm wanted a high standard off the field, but the second guy Schramm put into the Ring of Honor didn't live up to some phantom high standard off the field.

Talk to Schramm, not me, .. he is the one that implemented the ROH and placed high value on the character of the inductees. It is not phantom, it is fact.

Look at the list of men on the list, Irvin sticks out like a sore thumb in that group. Jones put him there, not Tex.

So tell me more about Meredith. What would keep him from qualifying by Schramm's standards?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It is the Ring of Honor, not the Ring of Honor for the Almost-Great.

I can hardly wait for the Bill Bates Belong in the Ring posts . . .

And, yes, Brandt belong in the ROH

 

[joseephuss]

Talk to Schramm, not me, .. he is the one that implemented the ROH and placed high value on the character of the inductees. It is not phantom, it is fact.

In your mind Schramm placed a high value on the character of the inductees. He had no problem making a drinker, partier and womanizer his second inductee into the RoH. I have no problem with drinkers, parties or womanizers and certainly have no problems with Dandy Don Meredith. I think he is well deserving of being in the RoH. You are the one that said there needed to be high character standards, but one of the first guys inducted into the RoH didn't always live up to those high standards. It doesn't matter what Michael Irvin did. If the RoH is to be limited to some unbelievably high character standards then it should apply to all. Obviously it doesn't and never has. It is just something you want and obviously not something Schramm wanted or Meredith wouldn't have been inducted. And again I think Meredith most definitely should have been inducted because I don't hold him or any of the Cowboys in the RoH to some character standard. I think what matters is what they do on the field. Both Meredith and Irvin easily meet the standards of on the field excellence. Duane Thomas and Hollywood Henderson do not.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's not in my mind, .. it is what Tex Schramm envisioned. Go read about.

You are arguing with me, .. LOL, I didn't put the standard's there, Tex did. Your beef is with him.

But I think comparing what Meredith did with what Irvin did is ridiculous.

 

[erod]

Moose can be made a case for. But the Bill Bates nonsense has to stop.

 

[erod]

There should be another distinction for guys like Moose, Novacek, Walls, Tolbert, Lett, Jeffcoat, etc.

 

[joseephuss]

There should be another distinction for guys like Moose, Novacek, Walls, Tolbert, Lett, Jeffcoat, etc.

I could get on board with something of that nature. They were good players that were important contributors. There should be a way to honor them.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

As the triplets thrive as a trio why is Moose left in the dust? Why is he not in the very least in the Ring Of Honor in AT&T Stadium? He was very much a part of Emmitt Smith doing what he did as well as the Cowboys winning SB's. Moose deserves some recognition.

because he doesn't deserve to be?

 

[erod]

How could you put Moose in without putting Robert Newhouse in? Novacek without Billy Jo Dupree?

 

[percyhoward]

How could you put Moose in without putting Robert Newhouse in? Novacek without Billy Jo Dupree?

When it comes to the Ring of Honor, the guy in the photo is the elephant in the room. 4 Pro Bowls, 1 first team All-Pro, 1977 Defensive Player of the Year, 1977 Super Bowl co-MVP, HOF 1970s all-decade 2nd team. Yes, he died of cancer at age 51. Yes, his closest surviving family member would have to go out on the field at Cowboys Stadium. So what. Put him in already.

 

[Ratmatt]

Neither Moose or Novacek belong in the ring of honor.You don't want to water it down.