Why NFL teams are willing to pay their Franchise QB’s

[MapleLeaf]

wait till 2023 and 2024 when his cap hit is 49 and 52 million.

What are you forecasting the salary cap to be in 23 and 24? Do you expect it to be the same or should we expect it to continue to rise?

Just asking.

 

[Reid1boys]

What are you forecasting the salary cap to be in 23 and 24? Do you expect it to be the same or should we expect it to continue to rise?

Just asking.

Just asking? Doesn't matter what it is...a 50 million hit will hurt big time... for a dak kind of qb.

 

[Reid1boys]

Bad take for two reasons:

A) The Saints are still looking like a possible wild card 9ish win team and that’s without a clear-cut franchise QB. They went 9-8 with a WR-hybrid playing QB, they were 5-2 with wins against GB, NE, and Tampa with Jameis as QB. They still have an extremely strong team and signed Tyrann Mathieu and Marcus Maye, two very good players who weren’t cheap, amongst a flurry of other signings. They are still cap wizards and with a franchise QB they are a 11-12 win team.

B) The whole “cap coming back to bite them” thing doesn’t exist if Drew Brees is still here. In a broader sense if they had a franchise QB they’d be a very strong team right now. In reality the cap hasn’t made them take a step back, it’s the curse of trying to find a franchise QB. That’s why when you have one you pay him, because you can maneuver the cap like the Saints and build a good to great roster it’s doable.

Hello Mr obvious. Justvabout any team in the league with a "Franchise," qb is an 11 to 12 win team. The saints are nowhere near a SB... thats my point. Hey, out mahomes in Dallas and we are a serious SB. Contender.....see how that works?

 

[Reid1boys]

What is "not doing better"? 11-6 or 12-5?

And the fact that your predicting doom and gloom reveals your agenda.

Agenda? What i said is a fact. If dak takes us further than we've been, all will be well. If he doesn't, all won't be well.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hello Mr obvious. Justvabout any team in the league with a "Franchise," qb is an 11 to 12 win team. The saints are nowhere near a SB... thats my point. Hey, out mahomes in Dallas and we are a serious SB. Contender.....see how that works?

Sure, but putting Mahomes in for Prescott isn’t a reality.

25+ teams don’t have that level of QB. So, what do they do?

 

[Diehardblues]

Agenda? What i said is a fact. If dak takes us further than we've been, all will be well. If he doesn't, all won't be well.

It’s all up to our QB?

 

[Diehardblues]

Just asking? Doesn't matter what it is...a 50 million hit will hurt big time... for a dak kind of qb.

Yes it could. But when we have had the cap space our organization didn’t take advantage of it investing to build a better defense for example.

And let’s just assume that Dak had been tremendously over evaluated is that on our GM as well?

 

[Motorola]

It's the new NFL.
We may not like it, but that's how it gonna be.
It's hard to be competitive with mediocre QB play,
So if you have a decent QB, he's gonna get paid.

But with a number of the QBs coming out of college...their background, training, school \system\coaching are major factors in shaping what abilities they have and how good a player they can improve and be in the NFL.
It's a fine line between mediocre and decent for many of them. The special talents - coupled with a driven mindset - will succeed and perhaps excel when they get to the NFL.

 

[817Gill]

Hello Mr obvious. Justvabout any team in the league with a "Franchise," qb is an 11 to 12 win team. The saints are nowhere near a SB... thats my point. Hey, out mahomes in Dallas and we are a serious SB. Contender.....see how that works?

What? You have to build a good team to win guy. It’s a team sport, no franchise QB in the history of the league has won a SB without a great team.

The point is they built great teams while maneuvering the cap. Drew Brees aging doesn’t change that. The whole point is the team is good and they keep signing dudes. They went 9-8 with Taysom Freakin Hill bro.

I bet you if there was an available franchise QB in FA they’d find a way to manipulate the cap and get him.

Have some context don’t be so obtuse. Using the Saints as an example for what cap maneuvering does is a terrible example. They are still a great team they just are two years removed from having a HOF’er retire. Hard to re-up on QB that fast in general no matter what cap space you have.

 

[Typhus]

Murray is another great example in a long line of less than Elite QB’s getting their payday the priorities of the franchises.

Which is once they find a QB good enough to bring them to a competitive stature in making the playoffs they are willing to make them their franchise QB paying Market Price .

And then it’s up to them to build around him the best they can. It brings legitimacy to their program , fan support, butts in the seats, merchandise sales and sponsor support .

Its a much sounder position for franchises than being a 4-6 win team continuing to look for that Top 5 Elite QB which only a handful of teams get.

And in most cases like with Dak the cap hits are minimal the first couple seasons after huge signing bonuses with bigger cap hits at end of contract.

That is reality, I can not argue with you over this, but it is discouraging as a fan of this game.

 

[Diehardblues]

That is reality, I can not argue with you over this, but it is discouraging as a fan of this game.

I understand but it’s always been a part of the game. Not all of the teams get the greatest QB’s or players.

 

[Typhus]

I understand but it’s always been a part of the game. Not all of the teams get the greatest QB’s or players.

This has become a league of great FOs winning.

 

[john van brocklin]

But with a number of the QBs coming out of college...their background, training, school \system\coaching are major factors in shaping what abilities they have and how good a player they can improve and be in the NFL.
It's a fine line between mediocre and decent for many of them. The special talents - coupled with a driven mindset - will succeed and perhaps excel when they get to the NFL.

College is definitely preparing their QBs much better
Than in the past.

 

[Reid1boys]

Sure, but putting Mahomes in for Prescott isn’t a reality.

25+ teams don’t have that level of QB. So, what do they do?

Pray like hell they get lucky. Who are the QBs that have won the last 3 SBs?

 

[Reid1boys]

It’s all up to our QB?

The team played well enough to win that playoff game last year. The Dak pick was atrocious which immediately led to a niner TD.
We got the ball back 2 time sin the final 5 minutes of the game and Dak did squat. You like history......... you think we would have lost that game if Roger Staubach was our QB last year?

 

[Reid1boys]

What? You have to build a good team to win guy. It’s a team sport, no franchise QB in the history of the league has won a SB without a great team.

The point is they built great teams while maneuvering the cap. Drew Brees aging doesn’t change that. The whole point is the team is good and they keep signing dudes. They went 9-8 with Taysom Freakin Hill bro.

I bet you if there was an available franchise QB in FA they’d find a way to manipulate the cap and get him.

Have some context don’t be so obtuse. Using the Saints as an example for what cap maneuvering does is a terrible example. They are still a great team they just are two years removed from having a HOF’er retire. Hard to re-up on QB that fast in general no matter what cap space you have.

Amazing how quickly the Bengals built a "Great team," after Joe showed up.......lol

 

[817Gill]

Amazing how quickly the Bengals built a "Great team," after Joe showed up.......lol

They literally actually changed their whole strategy lol. The bengals were more active in FA from 2020 to 2021 as they’ve ever been. Guys like Chido, Trey Hendrickson, and Larry Ogunjobi were the exact type of signings they never make. Burrow presence pushed ownership to act.

 

[Cowpolk]

They do it because they have to

 

[Hoofbite]

It's something owners need to start rethinking - you can't handicap your team by overpaying even great QBs. What good is a franchise QB if you have no o-line to protect them? Look at Andrew Luck and Tony Romo, both had years knocked off their careers because of it. I'd even say Wilson being behind a crap line also hurt the second half of his.

You also can't handicap your team by not having a QB. It's a lose-lose situation all in the name of trying to capture lightning in a bottle and win.

There is no way QBs are going to take less, and there's no way that other teams won't meet their demands. That's the way it is now. The days of thinking you can build a team with Rex Grossman or Brad Johnson at QB are over. Bus drivers are not going to win anymore and the only hope you have if you have a bus driver is that they actually outperform their regular season performance in the playoffs just like Eli Manning did.

 

[plymkr]

The QB salaries are what they are, ridiculous, but the teams that will win will have FOs to be able to manipulate the cap, draft well and sign quality FAs. If we only have 1 more playoff win from 2 talented QBs, in Romo and Prescott respectively, than we did with Quincy Carter than we know what is handicapping the team. It's not the QB position that's our problem IMHO.