Why NFL teams are willing to pay their Franchise QB’s

[charron]

Correct its all about maximizing earning potential with the possibility of winning but actually winning isn't this teams main focus.

 

[Reid1boys]

Yes, and they all had formidable defenses.

No one is denying it’s much easier with Elite QB’s who can help overcome lesser teams but they don’t win it every year . They need the balance of a good defense .

The Cowboys with less than an Elite QB can never expect a deeper run without a top 10 caliber defense .

If we’re waiting on this QB to miraculous pull out victories over better teams and defenses then we are going to continue being disappointed.

Like I said, the TEAM played well enough last year in the Niner game.... Dak did not.

 

[Reid1boys]

Our defense was atrocious . Couldn’t stop the run and no qb sacks. If SF had a better qb game over at halftime .

And we couldn’t run he ball, protect our QB( 5 sacks) 10 OL penalties killing drives . We had no business winning that game. Dominated in almost every aspect. We can’t expect our less than Elite QB to bail this team out in last second gasps.

Staubach never won a championship without a Doomsday defense .

The niners scored 23 points, 7 of those were a direct result of Daks atrocious interception. WR was open, ball needed to be on the INSIDE, Dak threw it on the outside. So that 7 points was 100% on Dak. So the defense gave up 16 Dak unassisted points. Ill take that in a playoff game all day. AND AGAIN, the defense gave the ball to Dak 2 times in the final 5 minutes of the game, and Dak did jack squat with the ball. Team game, remember? Defense did its part in the 4th quarter and gave us the ball, not once but twice. Dak did the same thing both times... nothing.

 

[Reid1boys]

You also can't handicap your team by not having a QB. It's a lose-lose situation all in the name of trying to capture lightning in a bottle and win.

There is no way QBs are going to take less, and there's no way that other teams won't meet their demands. That's the way it is now. The days of thinking you can build a team with Rex Grossman or Brad Johnson at QB are over. Bus drivers are not going to win anymore and the only hope you have if you have a bus driver is that they actually outperform their regular season performance in the playoffs just like Eli Manning did.

no no... you can also just draft an all time great defense. Its not hard... I mean, that 2000 Ravens defense should easily be able to be replicated....lol. I mean, just read all these posts in here. WE keep seeing we need to build a defense...... damn, I wish the Cowboys FO read these posts.

 

[Reid1boys]

This has become a league of great FOs winning.

Great Front offices????? cmon, so you telling me the Bengals have a great FO? How bout the Eagles... they caught lightning in a bottle, and pow, they have sucked since. Do they have a great FO? How bout the chiefs? That defense is terrible.... and they have no consistent run game. Are they great in the FO? How bout the Bucs? The team that missed the playoffs 11 straight seasons before Tom Terrific showed up. Great FO?

 

[CouchCoach]

Most teams do not have another option and keep the fans happy, which some are actually concerned about.

The agents and QB's did not create this, the owners did. One thing for sure, I think we can rule out collusion about paying their QB's because they've pooped the bed on that.

And this all started when MIN gave Cousins that guaranteed 28M X 3 contract. That, became the new floor. And no one considers him a top 10 QB.

 

[Flamma]

rattle off 300 yard passing games? Matt Ryan, using your statistics based analysis is far superior to any Dallas Cowboys QB in history. IM assuming you actually watched football for more than 20 years? There is a reason Tua Tagovoila put together a season that is comparable to a Roger Staubach type season last year. Is he as good as Roger???? bahahahhaha

a lot of people here will mock your observation is favor of statistics. Because that's all they have.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Cap is going up, if it doesn't then you will hear the NFLPA start pushing for "QB" cap adjustments as the other players are being squeezed out of pay

 

[mattjames2010]

You also can't handicap your team by not having a QB. It's a lose-lose situation all in the name of trying to capture lightning in a bottle and win.

There is no way QBs are going to take less, and there's no way that other teams won't meet their demands. That's the way it is now. The days of thinking you can build a team with Rex Grossman or Brad Johnson at QB are over. Bus drivers are not going to win anymore and the only hope you have if you have a bus driver is that they actually outperform their regular season performance in the playoffs just like Eli Manning did.

I never claimed you win with scrubs - look at the QBs who have won the Super Bowl over the past 10-15 years. They aren't in the middle of massive contracts. You can't win Super Bowls this way, there are too many positions and players that need to be paid. The only QB that won Super Bowls with a big contract is Tom Brady, and Brady has throughout his career been paid far less than his legendary status. The only other one I can think of is Peyton Manning - and that is when Elway blew up the cap in his "win now".

Brees couldn't overcome it and it looks like Rodgers won't be able to either. I imagine the same thing will happen to Mahomes.

 

[Flamma]

Cap is going up, if it doesn't then you will hear the NFLPA start pushing for "QB" cap adjustments as the other players are being squeezed out of pay

IMO, I don't think so. No one is really getting less pay that deserves more. They're just going to other teams willing to pay more.

If I were an owner, I would not pay QBs like Murray, Jackson, Cousins, and the like. They'd walk. I wouldn't even pick up their 5th year option if available. I'd be willing to suffer until I got a quality QB. But that's the competitor in me. I've played every sport you can think of all of my life 24/7. I want to win. I'm like George Steinbrenner. Spend with the intent to win. Not a lot of owners share this mentality.

 

[CowboyFrog]

IMO, I don't think so. No one is really getting less pay that deserves more. They're just going to other teams willing to pay more.

If I were an owner, I would not pay QBs like Murray, Jackson, Cousins, and the like. They'd walk. I wouldn't even pick up their 5th year option if available. I'd be willing to suffer until I got a quality QB. But that's the competitor in me. I've played every sport you can think of all of my life 24/7. I want to win. I'm like George Steinbrenner. Spend with the intent to win. Not a lot of owners share this mentality.

The problem is most teams dont share the Cowboys fortune of Fans....So while you're QB theory has some logic to it on the field it doesn't work at the ticket booth for most teams. Its still a business and thanks to how the NFL has elevated the QB position over the years in the media and other things...its hard to sell Bad QB play to box seats for the promise of payoff later.

 

[Diehardblues]

The niners scored 23 points, 7 of those were a direct result of Daks atrocious interception. WR was open, ball needed to be on the INSIDE, Dak threw it on the outside. So that 7 points was 100% on Dak. So the defense gave up 16 Dak unassisted points. Ill take that in a playoff game all day. AND AGAIN, the defense gave the ball to Dak 2 times in the final 5 minutes of the game, and Dak did jack squat with the ball. Team game, remember? Defense did its part in the 4th quarter and gave us the ball, not once but twice. Dak did the same thing both times... nothing.

Your assessment of the game is much different from most.

I haven’t read from any notable writers on the Cowboys pro or con that felt the Cowboys deserved to win that game . We were out played and dominated in almost every aspect.

The fact we even had a last gasp effort at the end was more about their futilities on offense and QB than anything we did.

 

[Diehardblues]

Like I said, the TEAM played well enough last year in the Niner game.... Dak did not.

I’d like to see any report or link you can find that writes we out played or played well enough to beat the 49ers.

Most reports were that the game went pretty much as expected and they dominated us in the areas they did.

Again , fans expecting this QB of ours to pull out games against better teams we are dominated against is baffling.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Your assessment of the game is much different from most.

I haven’t read from any notable writers on the Cowboys pro or con that felt the Cowboys deserved to win that game . We were out played and dominated in almost every aspect.

The fact we even had a last gasp effort at the end was more about their futilities on offense and QB than anything we did.

Exactly the niners got cute at the end when in hindsight if they would have just kept handing the ball off the game would have never been really close.

 

[Flamma]

The problem is most teams dont share the Cowboys fortune of Fans....So while you're QB theory has some logic to it on the field it doesn't work at the ticket booth for most teams. Its still a business and thanks to how the NFL has elevated the QB position over the years in the media and other things...its hard to sell Bad QB play to box seats for the promise of payoff later.

Yes. You're right. But some owners don't care about that. They do what they need to do in order to win. They don't care if it costs more or makes less. They want to win. A strictly businessman will see it as you've mapped it out. A sports competitor does not. They're willing to pay the price. It's worth it to them. Players that are already rich do this on occasion too. Deion Sanders is one of them. He took way less to play for the 49ers in 1994 instead of playing for the Saints.

 

[Diehardblues]

Do I need to rattle off a bunch of statistics to get you back in line? What are you doing? Are you watching? Do I need to remind you how many 300 yard passing games he has compared to other QBs using some arbitrary time frame? Or TD passes? Ask me anything, I have all of it right here in black and white. You don't have to watch anything.

He has nothing but a preconceived idea going in . He expects our QB to pull out any game against any opponent regardless if it’s a stronger opponent or we are dominated.

It’s our QB’s job to pull rabbits out of the hat. Lol
If he doesn’t it’s his fault or he suks. Great analysis

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yes. You're right. But some owners don't care about that. They do what they need to do in order to win. They don't care if it costs more or makes less. They want to win. A strictly businessman will see it as you've mapped it out. A sports competitor does not. They're willing to pay the price. It's worth it to them. Players that are already rich do this on occasion too. Deion Sanders is one of them. He took way less to play for the 49ers in 1994 instead of playing for the Saints.

Obsolutley which if i could bring back the old Days of "Earn your position in training camp" it was best for the field product, now it feels like the Teams sell players more than team in some cases. The star players really dont need to earn anything these days as they are what sells tickets. We happen to be the lucky fans of a franchise whos players are stars before they even play one down on the field.

 

[Diehardblues]

Exactly the niners got cute at the end when in hindsight if they would have just kept handing the ball off the game would have never been really close.

Yep

With any offense or better QB it should have been out of reach at halftime . Instead at 16-7 we had life . Not much with their defense but we had some .

 

[Diehardblues]

like I said, amazing how that all came together so fast after Joe arrived. What a coincidence... he just snapped his fingers and management went out and built a winner. Damn, this team building in the NFL aint all that hard after all. I mean, Trey Hendrickson..... holy cow what a signing.

We don’t have a Joe Burrows or a Herbert, etc. . So what’s your move now with Dak signed? I’d suggest building a top 10 defense . And do it before his cap hit really kicks in .

And if you’re unhappy with resigning Dak who’s fault is that. You want to blame everything on Dak but he’s appears to be doing all he can with his abilities. I see much more we should be doing to help him.

 

[Flamma]

I’d like to see any report or link you can find that writes we out played or played well enough to beat the 49ers.

Most reports were that the game went pretty much as expected and they dominated us in the areas they did.

Again , fans expecting this QB of ours to pull out games against better teams we are dominated against is baffling.

I think the issue for a lot of people is the Cowboys had the ball with plenty of time left in the 4th. With over 2 and a half minutes left the Cowboys were driving and stalled at around midfield. Then got the ball back again and we all know how that ended.