Why not grab Baker Mayfield? Dak may not be the answer

[OmerV]

I believe baker at a reasonable 15-20 million contract will be a far better option for the cowboys in the next 4-6 years than Dak .
Mayfield can ignite this offense and make better use of the receivers and OL we have .
Not to mention that dak has become injury prone, and has wild inconsistencies and slumps during the season.

In 6 of Dak's 7 seasons he has played 16 games. How exactly is that injury prone? He had one injury in one season that cost him games.

That aside, why would the Cowboy bother changing for a QB that isn't even likely to improve their chances to win? What evidence is there for the notion Mayfield can ignite the offense? Or that he is more consistent? Look at the numbers. They don't bear this out.

 

[G2]

In 6 of Dak's 7 seasons he has played 16 games. How exactly is that injury prone? He had one injury in one season that cost him games.

That aside, why would the Cowboy bother changing for a QB that isn't even likely to improve their chances to win? What evidence is there for the notion Mayfield can ignite the offense? Or that he is more consistent? Look at the numbers. They don't bear this out.

I don't get the injury prone suggestions, seems flimsy.

 

[IceBowler]

Mayfield does make some entertaining commercials though .. or at least he did ...

 

[basel90]

In 6 of Dak's 7 seasons he has played 16 games. How exactly is that injury prone? He had one injury in one season that cost him games.

That aside, why would the Cowboy bother changing for a QB that isn't even likely to improve their chances to win? What evidence is there for the notion Mayfield can ignite the offense? Or that he is more consistent? Look at the numbers. They don't bear this out.

First of all this is probably not going to happen due to jerry's insistance on sticking with his perceived starts to the end. Stafford would have been a vialbe option when stafford was availalbe and jerry was fighting dak's request for 42 mil a year. But that ship has sailed. That being said, Dak does not have the ability to so far to beat good teams and has folded under pressure far too many times especially against good teams. I believe an affordable baker or garapollo would be more effective than dak . Dak would not survive the AFC North . One playoff win since the 2018 season says it all.
Not an expert about Dak's injury history but he seems to have too many games when he his not ok , I recall the last few games in 2019 (and the loss in the game against a weak eagles team was blamed on his bum shoulder !!!) and during the middle of last season when the thigh injury was apparantly the excuse for his slump. Dak also has more limitations in the run game now.
Next season will confirm or disprove a lot as the excuxes have to come to an end.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Dak does not have the ability to so far to beat good teams and has folded under pressure far too many times especially against good teams. I believe an affordable baker or garapollo would be more effective than dak . Dak would not survive the AFC North . One playoff win since the 2018 season says it all.

How many wins and losses does he have against winning teams in his career? And how does those numbers compare to active qb's?

 

[OmerV]

First of all this is probably not going to happen due to jerry's insistance on sticking with his perceived starts to the end. Stafford would have been a vialbe option when stafford was availalbe and jerry was fighting dak's request for 42 mil a year. But that ship has sailed. That being said, Dak does not have the ability to so far to beat good teams and has folded under pressure far too many times especially against good teams. I believe an affordable baker or garapollo would be more effective than dak . Dak would not survive the AFC North . One playoff win since the 2018 season says it all.
Not an expert about Dak's injury history but he seems to have too many games when he his not ok , I recall the last few games in 2019 (and the loss in the game against a weak eagles team was blamed on his bum shoulder !!!) and during the middle of last season when the thigh injury was apparantly the excuse for his slump. Dak also has more limitations in the run game now.
Next season will confirm or disprove a lot as the excuxes have to come to an end.

You're right that Jerry would prefer to stick with is own guy, but I don't see why it would happen with any GM. Mayfield has shown much less than Dak in the NFL, the Cowboys would have to trade away draft picks to get him. A deal might make sense for a clear upgrade, but not for a likely downgrade that would cost draft capital.

As for Stafford, it's easy to talk up that deal in hindsight, but Stafford had been no better from the standpoint of personal or team success than Dak, he's 5 years older, and it took 2 first round draft picks, a 3rd round draft pick and a starting QB to get him. That's not to say I didn't think Stafford was a better QB than Dak at the time, but there were a lot of other factors to consider. There are a number of teams that needed a QB a lot more than Dallas that weren't willing to pay whatever it would have taken.

Bottom line is if the Cowboys were to find a strong chance to upgrade QB without giving away the farm, that's great, but making a trade based on the assumption an already failed QB is going to be notably better does not make sense.

 

[nate dizzle]

Dak is a top 15 QB. Baker is a bottom 5. I don't see this as a realistic discussion. I'm no Dak flag-waver but he's a good QB. Baker is not good.

 

[basel90]

You're right that Jerry would prefer to stick with is own guy, but I don't see why it would happen with any GM. Mayfield has shown much less than Dak in the NFL, the Cowboys would have to trade away draft picks to get him. A deal might make sense for a clear upgrade, but not for a likely downgrade that would cost draft capital.

As for Stafford, it's easy to talk up that deal in hindsight, but Stafford had been no better from the standpoint of personal or team success than Dak, he's 5 years older, and it took 2 first round draft picks, a 3rd round draft pick and a starting QB to get him. That's not to say I didn't think Stafford was a better QB than Dak at the time, but there were a lot of other factors to consider. There are a number of teams that needed a QB a lot more than Dallas that weren't willing to pay whatever it would have taken.

Bottom line is if the Cowboys were to find a strong chance to upgrade QB without giving away the farm, that's great, but making a trade based on the assumption an already failed QB is going to be notably better does not make sense.

You may be putting too much stock into dak . Imagine dak playing at detroit for all these years like stafford has ? what will his record be. Or will dak have even survived Detroit. Dak had too much talent around him over the years and did little to nothing honestly. 25 other QBs could have the same stats given the OL RBs and WRs the cowboys had . Going for stafford during the 2019-20 negotiation would have been optimal.
Regarding mayfield i disagree. Heck , mayfield has a more recent and more impressive road playoff win against Pittsburgh in 2020 . Dak's last one was in 2018 !!! Baker had injuries last season and the browns threw him to the wolves. Imagine dak in the AFC North and with the browns ( 4 coaches in 4 years) . He would not do well , guaranteed.
At the end of the day we are stuck with Dak at this stage and my fear is that it will be the same old excuses and no CCG or SB with an overpaid and overhyped QB that jerry has invested so much with. Next season will probably confirm that.

 

[basel90]

How many wins and losses does he have against winning teams in his career? And how does those numbers compare to active qb's?

saw somewhere he had a 23% winning percentage . Don't recall any game where dak made the difference in a win against such teams. 1 playoff win at home in 6 years!! that is not good. The parade of excuses has to end sometime. Jerry won't trade him or give him any competition as he likes to protect his stars that he picked. So dak is not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How many wins and losses does he have against winning teams in his career? And how does those numbers compare to active qb's?

You are not allowed to measure that against other QBs. It has to be measured in a silo. Dak haters like him want measure in a silo

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

saw somewhere he had a 23% winning percentage .

"Somewhere" is not a reputable source. How does "23%" measure up to other active qb's?

 

[CowboyFrog]

"Somewhere" is not a reputable source. How does "23%" measure up to other active qb's?

Rodgers has a losing record vs winning teams also...most do, you get TB12 and then Wilson (who was comming back to under 500 fast with a bad seahawks team) and then your new guys who have like 10 to 13 games played vs winning teams...Stafford was at .109 vs winning teams before last year...the stats say more about the team than the QB. Allen went to .500 last year and Mahomes stayed around .600 but again small sample sizes. Jimmy G is above at over .600 and his team doesnt want him...that should speak volumes about that stat.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

With Watson facing a suspension shouldn't the Browns hold on to Baker?

 

[CowboyFrog]

With Watson facing a suspension shouldn't the Browns hold on to Baker?

You would think but if they have planned on him missing a year then why not play the backup and get a higher pick...or they play Baker and hope he lifts his trade value..who knows. AC probably doesnt like either of his scenarios at this point.

 

[basel90]

"Somewhere" is not a reputable source. How does "23%" measure up to other active qb's?

don't have the stats but most QBs are obviously below 0.500
But aroud 15 Qbs out there being paid much less than dak can win around the same percentage .

 

[OmerV]

You may be putting too much stock into dak . Imagine dak playing at detroit for all these years like stafford has ? what will his record be. Or will dak have even survived Detroit. Dak had too much talent around him over the years and did little to nothing honestly. 25 other QBs could have the same stats given the OL RBs and WRs the cowboys had . Going for stafford during the 2019-20 negotiation would have been optimal.
Regarding mayfield i disagree. Heck , mayfield has a more recent and more impressive road playoff win against Pittsburgh in 2020 . Dak's last one was in 2018 !!! Baker had injuries last season and the browns threw him to the wolves. Imagine dak in the AFC North and with the browns ( 4 coaches in 4 years) . He would not do well , guaranteed.
At the end of the day we are stuck with Dak at this stage and my fear is that it will be the same old excuses and no CCG or SB with an overpaid and overhyped QB that jerry has invested so much with. Next season will probably confirm that.

You may be putting too much stock into Mayfield. Great, he has one playoff win. And admittedly he did play well in that game. Not so much in the loss the next week, but in any case you don't judge careers and make dramatic moves off one win. Overall his team and personal stats are lacking. He is not the kind of clear upgrade you make dramatic moves for. By almost any indicator it appears he would be a downgrade.

As for Dak, I've clearly said I'm okay with replacing him if we found a clear upgrade without giving away the farm, so I'm not acting as if he is irreplaceable.

As for Stafford, he is irrelevant to the Mayfield discussion. Whatever you feel about him that doesn't make a trade for Mayfield any more attractive.

But since the Stafford sidetrack was tossed in, again, I agree he is and was a better QB than Dak. But you can't just ignore all other factors. It's not as if there could have been a straight up trade of Dak for Stafford. You can't ignore Stafford is 5 years older, would have cost Prescott, 2 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick to acquire, and even though its true that playing in Detroit is not a good indicator of a QB's talent, you still have to acknowledge that there is always uncertainty with a player until he proves what he can do.

 

[kskboys]

You may be putting too much stock into dak . Imagine dak playing at detroit for all these years like stafford has ? what will his record be. Or will dak have even survived Detroit. Dak had too much talent around him over the years and did little to nothing honestly. 25 other QBs could have the same stats given the OL RBs and WRs the cowboys had . Going for stafford during the 2019-20 negotiation would have been optimal.
Regarding mayfield i disagree. Heck , mayfield has a more recent and more impressive road playoff win against Pittsburgh in 2020 . Dak's last one was in 2018 !!! Baker had injuries last season and the browns threw him to the wolves. Imagine dak in the AFC North and with the browns ( 4 coaches in 4 years) . He would not do well , guaranteed.
At the end of the day we are stuck with Dak at this stage and my fear is that it will be the same old excuses and no CCG or SB with an overpaid and overhyped QB that jerry has invested so much with. Next season will probably confirm that.

It wasn't impressive. Baker was gifted 21 first quarter points by his D, then ran the ball prolifically and drove the bus for 263 yds.

Man, you should really research this stuff before making a proclamation and basing your thoughts on an erroneous conclusion.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Not to mention that dak has become injury prone

WHAT? When did this happen???

 

[kskboys]

WHAT? When did this happen???

So strange how the haters and homers both simply spew lies to try and support their POV.

 

[basel90]

WHAT? When did this happen???

see link below
https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/dak-prescott/7453

as recent as march 2022 he had a surgery on his shoulder . not to mention last season many losses or dak slump was blamed on his calf . Plus of course his major injury the season before.
I also recall the loss against the eagles in 2019 in the crucial game with playoff implications, the excuse for the loss is that he had a bum shoulder . etc etc .
At the end of the day , 1 playoff win at home in 6 years , and that win was in 2018 season !!