Why not grab Baker Mayfield? Dak may not be the answer

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The return to 100% for an ACL or MCL tear is well over a year. The player may be playing on the repaired knee a year later. But to get back to where he was before the tear is conventionally the second year back. Barkley was not the same his first year back. He reinjured himself his second. One could make a successful argument that his problems last year were the lingering effect of his wrecked knee the year before.

And this is simply a tear.

Now factor in compound tears in the ankle and a compound fracture. Think Dak was 100% last year? Even without the leg injury that sat him for games?

It's humorous how some posters (I mistyped at first and it came out Pisters, I find that much more appropriate,) these people use strawmen arguments, statistics, but only when it supports their position, (read agenda,) and ignore what most of us understand about injuries to players after having watched pro football over the years.

The leg injury this past season was a direct result of the ankle the year before. Geez, about every former player who commented on Dak last year post injury stated this, ad nauseum.

Yet for the Pisters, nothing Dak does has merit. Did he struggle in the second half of the season last year. Yep, he sure did. Did it have anything to do with the lingering injury? Somewhat, I'm certain. Think it also might have been because of the porous offensive line? Only an agenda driven Pister would suggest the line had no affect on Dak's game.

Does Dak need to figure out the defenses he faced after the injury which caused problems? Yep. Does that make him a spare that has no value to this team? Maybe for the jaded who got their feelings hurt when Romo was benched after his recovery. Or the people who ignore Dallas does not go after high priced free agents, so they blame the team's failure on Dak's salary, and leave out the fact that if Dallas had a starting QB who made 3 million a year, they still would not go after the premiere talent in free agency.

So what does this mean to me?

1. Dak should be healthier than he has in the last 18 months.
2. Zeke, whose injury seems to have flown under the radar with the Pisters will also be healthy.
3. Add in Pollard on a contract year. That bodes well.
4. I am concerned about CeeDee being the primary receiver. He will face pro football double teams. That remains to be seen if he can tote that water.
5. Gallup is a big question mark. When will he be at his best, (considering the injury is similar to the ones above.)
6. Can Tyler Smith supplant Williams at left guard? Seems an angry Karen could do that, but we will see.
7. Can Tyron play the majority of games and provide something in the way of a closed door for Dak's backside?
8. Where will the pass rush come from?
9. Since teams with stellar turnover numbers from the year before seldom repeat, can this team be aggressive and take the ball away?
*********10. Can Kellen Moore pull his head out of his sphincter and be a coach who is unpredictable? (For Gosh Sake stop all the naked screens)


There are plenty of issues to be concerned about. Dak is one, but not the only one. And maybe not the most important.

But you can bet your grandpa's pocket watch Dak will be the guy the Pisters rally around with their blame and discontent if this 2022/23 ends without a major step forward in the play-offs.

Which means everyone who posts here will have to take a bite out of that "ish" sandwich as the tantrum troop gears up for another fun filled off season of kvetching.
 
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Ahhh, so with Mayfield injuries are an excuse …. yep, I was right, you have a double standard.

You say Dak shouldn't get an excuse for injury, but say Mayfield should get an excuse for injury.
You say Dak has been inconsistent, but you advocate for a QB that has been much more inconsistent

As for what you personally think, that's irrelevant to decisions the Cowboys have to make. They have to go on the facts they have, and the reality that the reason to make a bold move regarding Dak would be if there is a clear opportunity to make a clear upgrade, and there is simply no way to argue that Mayfield represents that.
No , he made a mistake playing injured and he looked bad . Don’t start making. Reckless accusations trying to defend a mediocre QB who has not won a playoff game since 2018 !!!
. Dak even when healthy , has not produced .Dak is not a pure passer and I think mayfield and some others the cowboys could have acquired , are better passers and can read defenses better.
 

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The strange part to me is that so many use the weak division claim to Brady's dominance.

But then the strange part comes in because that only comprises 6 of 16 games every year. What happened in the other 10 most every year? What was Brady's career record outside of his division, against NFC opponents and all the while facing a first place schedule every year?

Yeah, the infamous Brady took advantage of the AFC East thing needs a little more context like what Ive mentioned here imo to get a better overall description.

And as you posted, the Brady post season success speaks for itself.

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Honestly I was not comparing him and Dak. Stevie Wonder can see that's an unfair comparison because Brady is the GOAT. Im just saying that weakness of divisions can't just be used against Dak an not brought up for others.

The whole "Dak can't beat good teams" thing is so hilarious to me because Dak has done his part in many games against good teams, but its not his fault the defense and coaching staff didn't do their parts in those games. Im not sitting here saying Dak never played bad against good teams, im just saying everything isn't Dak's fault like many try to make it appear to be.

Dak's ranked in the top 10 currently for a reason.

On a side note, since we're talking about Dak.... we blew Washington out twice last season with Dak. Brady struggled and loss against Washington. Yep the GOAT is human!! But should i take anything away from that?? Of course not.
I think Dak is in the 14-17 territory unfortunately. He has not justified his 42 mil a year contract . 1 playoff win in 6 years and that was at home .
Beating Washington is not something that can be used as proof of any quality win . That team has been terrible for so long .
 

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Bottom line is you just cant go sign a Baker Mayfield to come in and play second fiddle.
Baker doesnt want that, and Dak would hate having more push than the current Rush.
Not going to ever happen.
 

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He was top 2-3 when he got paid , which was ridiculous given he has not done anything.
He is currently in the mid range and has lost a lot of mobility after the injury , which makes him less effective as he just cannot pick apart defenses with his arm or accuracy etc. he has no such assets. MM suggesting he should run more is trying to revive what Dak should be or was .
The top QBs above Dak in my estimation are ;
mahomes
allen
brady
rodgers
watson
stafford
burrow
herbert
murrey
wilson
tannehil
lamar
Garopolo- Cousins -Dak - Baker , Jones , Ryan ( tie)
Thats a rather deep list, but I applaud your transparency.
 

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he had a terrible year for sure , mainly probably due to the injury early on , he should not have played injured .
You see to think dak is a much better QB , which i really doubt. Dak would not have survived the AFC North, i think mayfield is a better pure passer than Dak . But i know you will not change your mind .

Didn’t you just say Dak can’t use his “injuries” as an excuse then you went ahead and excused Baker’s poor play on an injury? I mean seriously. :lmao2:
 

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I haven't clickd this thread since page 2 but I can gaurantee a lot of stupid bull ****. Sponsored by *Reality*
 

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I think Dak is in the 14-17 territory unfortunately. He has not justified his 42 mil a year contract . 1 playoff win in 6 years and that was at home .
Beating Washington is not something that can be used as proof of any quality win . That team has been terrible for so long .

Fair enough. But the NFL stat officials have Dak ranked in the top 10.

Yes Dak has 1 playoff win in 6 years. Peyton Manning and Drew Brees also has 1 playoff win in their first 6 years just like Dak. Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff wins in his first 6 years.

So what do you have to say about that???
 

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Ohhh.... so when its in Dak's favor, stats can be misleading huh.... lol!!! You know what, I respect your opinion, but Dak obviously was right there with them at the 6 year mark.

Then you've mentioned... the Cowboys have enjoyed playing in the weakest division, correct??? So do that mean we have to throw out Brady's stats for 15 years of playing in the weakest division with the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets???
Well...no, because Brady has more rings than all the QB discussed in this thread, combined.
 

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Bottom line is you just cant go sign a Baker Mayfield to come in and play second fiddle.
Baker doesnt want that, and Dak would hate having more push than the current Rush.
Not going to ever happen.
indeed very unlikely and jerry likes to be all in with his star picks, 8-10 years usually . we are in the middle of that cycle. dak , a nice QB who has average passsing skills and stats padded by safe throws and against the weakest division in football usually. Mediocrity continues.
 

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The return to 100% for an ACL or MCL tear is well over a year. The player may be playing on the repaired knee a year later. But to get back to where he was before the tear is conventionally the second year back. Barkley was not the same his first year back. He reinjured himself his second. One could make a successful argument that his problems last year were the lingering effect of his wrecked knee the year before.

And this is simply a tear.

Now factor in compound tears in the ankle and a compound fracture. Think Dak was 100% last year? Even without the leg injury that sat him for games?

It's humorous how some posters (I mistyped at first and it came out Pisters, I find that much more appropriate,) these people use strawmen arguments, statistics, but only when it supports their position, (read agenda,) and ignore what most of us understand about injuries to players after having watched pro football over the years.

The leg injury this past season was a direct result of the ankle the year before. Geez, about every former player who commented on Dak last year post injury stated this, ad nauseum.

Yet for the Pisters, nothing Dak does has merit. Did he struggle in the second half of the season last year. Yep, he sure did. Did it have anything to do with the lingering injury? Somewhat, I'm certain. Think it also might have been because of the porous offensive line? Only an agenda driven Pister would suggest the line had no affect on Dak's game.

Does Dak need to figure out the defenses he faced after the injury which caused problems? Yep. Does that make him a spare that has no value to this team? Maybe for the jaded who got their feelings hurt when Romo was benched after his recovery. Or the people who ignore Dallas does not go after high priced free agents, so they blame the team's failure on Dak's salary, and leave out the fact that if Dallas had a starting QB who made 3 million a year, they still would not go after the premiere talent in free agency.

So what does this mean to me?

1. Dak should be healthier than he has in the last 18 months.
2. Zeke, whose injury seems to have flown under the radar with the Pisters will also be healthy.
3. Add in Pollard on a contract year. That bodes well.
4. I am concerned about CeeDee being the primary receiver. He will face pro football double teams. That remains to be seen if he can tote that water.
5. Gallup is a big question mark. When will he be at his best, (considering the injury is similar to the ones above.)
6. Can Tyler Smith supplant Williams at left guard? Seems an angry Karen could do that, but we will see.
7. Can Tyron play the majority of games and provide something in the way of a closed door for Dak's backside?
8. Where will the pass rush come from?
9. Since teams with stellar turnover numbers from the year before seldom repeat, can this team be aggressive and take the ball away?
*********10. Can Kellen Moore pull his head out of his sphincter and be a coach who is unpredictable? (For Gosh Sake stop all the naked screens)


There are plenty of issues to be concerned about. Dak is one, but not the only one. And maybe not the most important.

But you can bet your grandpa's pocket watch Dak will be the guy the Pisters rally around with their blame and discontent if this 2022/23 ends without a major step forward in the play-offs.

Which means everyone who posts here will have to take a bite out of that "ish" sandwich as the tantrum troop gears up for another fun filled off season of kvetching.
the games are not all on the QB and i agree the biggest issues with the team is jerry's management and player selection and lack of unified authority behind a strong coach . But you have to look at dak as the person who touches every offensive play , and in crucial games , he folds , and the results are : mediocrity. Dak has 1 playoff win , at home , in 6 years . An elite QB making 42 mil a year does better than that, with or without Jerry as GM.
 

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These silly threads. Baker is a starting quarterback. It's no secret he's heading to either Carolina or Seattle. Even Houston is in the mix. But a backup quaterback?! o_O
 

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These silly threads. Baker is a starting quarterback. It's no secret he's heading to either Carolina or Seattle. Even Houston is in the mix. But a backup quaterback?! o_O
Dak Prescott is a good Dallas quarterback. By game six, we will also know if he is a great quarterback and can elevate who ever he has to beat the opponent.
 

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indeed very unlikely and jerry likes to be all in with his star picks, 8-10 years usually . we are in the middle of that cycle. dak , a nice QB who has average passsing skills and stats padded by safe throws and against the weakest division in football usually. Mediocrity continues.
Ive been critical on Dak but no more than I was with Romo. I remember getting lambasted on this board for being concerned that Romo was spending too much time refining his golf game... lol
Ive come to the point where it is futile and a waste of time to be critical on Dak, like you posted, Dak is not going anywhere anytime soon, so might as well jump on board and ride this wave for whatever its worth.
Daks contract is bullet proof.
 

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These silly threads. Baker is a starting quarterback. It's no secret he's heading to either Carolina or Seattle. Even Houston is in the mix. But a backup quaterback?! o_O
Yes mam, no way Baker signs to a QB2 role.
 

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If I see this stupid thread again I'm leaving. Not that I wouldn't mind him here as competition but just sick of just looking at it.
 

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No , he made a mistake playing injured and he looked bad . Don’t start making. Reckless accusations trying to defend a mediocre QB who has not won a playoff game since 2018 !!!
. Dak even when healthy , has not produced .Dak is not a pure passer and I think mayfield and some others the cowboys could have acquired , are better passers and can read defenses better.
LOL … you're talking about the same thing as with Dak - a decision being made for a player to play through an injury. The only difference is you allow it as an excuse for Mayfield but not for Dak.

And, by the way, it wasn't just Mayfield making the decision, the team doctors and coaches had to sign off on it. All agreed he could play.

And the reality is it's common. It's the NFL. Players play through a multitude of injuries, some that land them on the injury report and some that don't. I've heard players say that once the season starts there is never a point they don't deal with some issue, whether it's just bumps and bruises, or minor strains, or ongoing issues that require treatment and monitoring week after week.

In short, it's not just a Dak thing. ( I would have said it's not just a Dak and Mayfield thing, but then I remembered you allow a double standard with Mayfield).
 
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What if they changed the rules and the QB had to always be under center? No Tom Landry shotgun stuff.
 

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The fact that Cleveland sat Mayfield and went after a QB that may/ may not play because he is a POS says enough to me.
He needs to stick to doing commercials.
I’m sure the USFL will be calling him. He will look like a superstar among all the mediocre talent.
The fact that this thread has made it 29 pages is really sad. The poster needs to start watching the USFL because that’s probably where his superstar will end up.
GO COWBOYS!
 
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