CFZ Why the Cowboys needed to move on from Moore

[john van brocklin]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

Jerry selling hope for next season

 

[silvernblu]

I’ll also add that no one can really make many comments about the passing game or the QB (other than he should have taken the sack or thrown it away) simply by watching the game on TV.

When you watch some of the film breakdowns former professionals do and hear a HOF SB QB like Kurt Warner looking at plays and commenting, “That’s a bad decision by Dak, but I really have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with the routes on this play,” or “The design here is okay, but there’s no attention to detail. The receiver must get to that defenders outside shoulder; then he can keep going making it an easy throw for the QB, or if that other S drops down, he now has more room when cutting back. By stopping where he did, he made even the low outside throw too easy to be deflected.” Over and over and over, former QBs and OCs look at the film, love some designs, but too often can’t figure out what the play is trying to accomplish. Too often also talking about little adjustments that make plays work and help set up something else down the line.

It was time, past time for a change.

The final play said it all.

Looked like maybe it was innovative. But was just show. No plan.

 

[sunalsorises]

I wonder if part of the reason the decision seemed drawn out is because the team was waiting on his replacement’s decision.

 

[LatinMind]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

David Carr did a video on the niner game. Something he said and pointed out was infuriating. He says this happens alot to the Cowboys, and he draws a line by the first down marker and shows the entire secondary except for 1 high safety is at or under the line he drew. You see just how easy Moore made it for the niners to be able to cover their routes

 

[Mr Cowboy]

 

[fivetwos]

If nothing else, a little more of the Garrett stench just left the building.

That can’t be a bad thing.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

 

[vlad]

The biggest anchor Moore had to deal with was centering the offense around an overrated to begin with and then washed up rb.

 

[Gaede]

The biggest anchor Moore had to deal with was centering the offense around an overrated to begin with and then washed up rb.

This is partly Moore's fault though. He's the OC who willingly trotted Zeke out there week after week and fed him instead of the clearly better player. Pollard barely got any playing time until middle of this year!!

If the OC has a weapon like that and would rather run Zeke up the gut every single first down, that's HIS fault

 

[Mr Cowboy]

 

[vlad]

This is partly Moore's fault though. He's the OC who willingly trotted Zeke out there week after week and fed him instead of the clearly better player. Pollard barely got any playing time until middle of this year!!

If the OC has a weapon like that and would rather run Zeke up the gut every single first down, that's HIS fault

I don’t think that was a Kellen or Mike decision. You got Jerry and his boy Stephen dictating that stuff. I mean you’d have to be a blind lovestruck fan or a Jones to not see pollard was better and center was overrated to begin with.

But i think you and i are in agreement that plan was no good

 

[WillieBeamen]

This is partly Moore's fault though. He's the OC who willingly trotted Zeke out there week after week and fed him instead of the clearly better player. Pollard barely got any playing time until middle of this year!!

If the OC has a weapon like that and would rather run Zeke up the gut every single first down, that's HIS fault

Lol you think Moore wanted Zeke on the field?


That call is coming from the front office

 

[LysleE]

The MM coaching tree doesn’t seem very impressive…so I’m not holding my breath about getting a good OC and QB coach.

 

[LatinMind]

I'd love Kliff Kingsbury to run this offense

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

we lost another post season game because of KM .

its just the truth .

 

[atlantacowboy]

Well, that's the last of the Garret stink. Should have been let go when MM came here. Saddling a new coach with staff from the former HC is a kind of stupid unique to Dallas.

 

[foofighters]

Someone commented in another thread that fans had no real reasons for wanting to move on from Moore and it was mostly driven by a reaction to losing.

Even if you ignore the fact that well respected coaches like Parcells and Johnson have come out questioning the Cowboys offense, it really is obvious at this point that what the Cowboys have been doing has not been working when in matters .. the playoffs.

I do not blame Moore for all of the offensive problems in the playoffs because the players still have to play the game and Prescott throwing two game-changing interceptions against the 49ers is not Moore's fault, at least not directly.

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

At times, Moore's play calling can be impressive while other times it looks like he's spinning a playbook randomizer wheel to select the plays he calls.

I think the biggest reason the Cowboys need to move on from Moore though is the fact that his offense, whether his fault or not, has simply not produced in the playoffs.

When you combine that with the fact that the NFC East teams are quite familiar with the Cowboys play calling as they have been running a similar offense for years, it makes sense to change offensive systems to see if that can improve the team's performance.

I do not hate Moore and as long as he ends up with an AFC team I hope he does well.

I really think he needs to spend some time under another offensive minded coach because it's not his fault he was trapped in Jason Garrett's offense for a lot of his playing and coaching career.

Going forward though, I think the most important part of this move is that the 2023 team will be all on McCarthy and his chosen staff.

That means any failures now will be all on him and since he was with the team when it signed Prescott to his current contract, Prescott's successes and failures are all on McCarthy as well.

For better or worse with Moore leaving and Quinn returning, at least Cowboys fans have something to grasp on to for optimism for next season.

Agreed. With ALL of it.

 

[noshame]

MM will be gone in 5 games.
Let's see what KM can do with Herbert

 

[zenmastersauce]

Dak is Dak, but a change was needed. Too many times it appeared defenses knew what was coming. Sometimes, they even said as much.

The thing I hated most is how play designs had players staying at the sticks. In thw SF game they hardly ever needed to worry about going deep because no one ever ran past them. Ever. Each play seemed like it was go routes at the sticks. And let's not talk about knowingly not accounting for the guy running off the corner to stop a play. Dak should have checked out of that but the play was dumb immediately

 

[Floatyworm]

Cowboys will finish last in the division....Dak has more lives than a cat.

And all this really did was amplify the problems in Dallas.

There will be no more scapegoats...

This is the Dak/ McCarthy clown show