CFZ Why the Cowboys needed to move on from Moore

[Bagman]

When it comes to the Jones', good enough is good enough. Being relevant is all they want.
As fans we've been screaming for a championship, and this move seems like a step in that direction. What Dallas has done offensively is never going to win a championship, so change was necessary

 

[Clove]

Not impressive Jones boys, but needed. If you wanted to impress me, you would've handed it over to MM when he was hired. You always have to clean up the **** you created.

 

[quickccc]

Kellen was Not a bad offensive caller

- you don;t have and rank among the top offenses in several catorgories with operating with a one WR offense and a declining RB and a up and down starting QB .
and i felt that Kellen actually had to make adjustments and water down the offense to simiply it more for Dak

Little womder we sw less and less of pre-snap. multi-motion and formations, seem like there was lesser bunch and rub routes, but frankly
we don't have the over the top speed dimension to push defenses at the WR unit.

1) But my questions with Kellen was how he still seem to limit the actions and potential of what the RBs could have been- but would not be with Kellen
a) Pollard should be a dynamic all purpose RB - per carry and receviing - McCaffrrey, Kamara, Aaron jones ... but Kellen does not scheme well for RBs in pass game
b) Kellen does not implement " Misdirection" in his offense- no misleading deception to fool or suck defenders out of position -as a result it makes it easier to
c) The WR bubble screen was way over used, but Kellen seem to not be able to make in-game adjustments ..shell coverages.
d) Moore can scheme for TEs, and has some WR designs ..but he hates RB screens..

e) he has a way of inconsistencies - when one play will work ala Pollard jet sweep, then you'll never see it again,
f) Our run game scheme and design under Kellen is so simplistic and bland, and predictable that teams can easily anticipate and sniff out our run game.
g) He still kills me with running that draw play ball out of shot gun formation and eliminating play action with shotgun formation.
It’s not that he uses that formation, but how frequently KM will go to using that formation.

 

[IceStar-D7]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

 

[charron]

Moore needes help in a few areas to really become a great playcaller. Garrett wasnt allowed to help him much, and mike wasnt interested in learning the offense. I hope he takes a step back and begins to learn some things so he can get better.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dak is Dak, but a change was needed. Too many times it appeared defenses knew what was coming. Sometimes, they even said as much.

I’m going to be super honest I never get why people say this. No team out here is running some new offense every week. They just have better players or the scheme gets them open more often until someone finds a way to slow it down. Similar to how we really didn’t let SF do their usual for the most part to us last week.

 

[Austin 3-16]

I'm no guru but it always felt like the offence needed Dak to play at a level he can't sustain.

 

[Creeper]

I agree with all of that plus he has done little to help Dak improve his QB play, at least that we can see. Everyone talks about Dak's late throws. You'd think his coach would get on him in practice about that. And how about keeping all his receivers in the game. I wonder if Dak's bad games are nothing more than a lack of preparation.

In any case, Moore did elevate the offense but I think a change might be good.

 

[john van brocklin]

Lets Fire the GM and make it a clean sweep !!!!
Who is with me ???????????????

 

[Zordon]

That said, I have had some issues with Moore's playcalling for a while such as ..

• the constant comeback routes, especially when playing against zone defenses.
• the short of the line-to-go throws on third downs.
• the slow developing out routes.
• the quick wide out throws without any misdirection or attempt to hide the play.
• the lack of attacking downfield, especially early in the game to keep the safeties honest.
• the lack of attacking the middle of the field.
• the badly designed trick plays.
• the trick plays called when there is no reason to call them.
• the lack of misdirection plays to keep the defense honest and guessing.
• giving the quarterback too much control over audibles when it's clear he's not great at it.

I too thought it was time for change. But I do wonder how much of the bland route trees have to do w/ the limitations of the quarterback. I want to see what Kellen's offense looks like w/ Herbert next year. I've long suspected that the playbook is cut down for Dak.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Almost every offensive coordinator has their own set of issues. Kellen is one of them.

With that said, we had a top offense with him here as the OC.

Ill never understand how almost the entire fanbase complain about lack or weapons and then in the next breath say Kellen needs to go…

Because these are not mutually exclusive events you are talking about.

Yes, we could use some more weapons on offense, but that doesnt change the fact that many of the play designs are just bad. Running 4 curl routes against zone defense is about as stupid a play as you can call, but we see it multiple times a game.

Reality mentioned others, the lack of attacking downfield, not attacking the seams when LBs are just sitting on routes, the long developing sideline throws that resulted in about 4-5 picks this year and we run the same dam play in the playoffs!!!

This is what we are talking about, yes we may need some more firepower on offense, but you cant deny that the scheme itself we are running has some major flaws.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Because these are not mutually exclusive events you are talking about.

Yes, we could use some more weapons on offense, but that doesnt change the fact that many of the play designs are just bad. Running 4 curl routes against zone defense is about as stupid a play as you can call, but we see it multiple times a game.

Reality mentioned others, the lack of attacking downfield, not attacking the seams when LBs are just sitting on routes, the long developing sideline throws that resulted in about 4-5 picks this year and we run the same dam play in the playoffs!!!

This is what we are talking about, yes we may need some more firepower on offense, but you cant deny that the scheme itself we are running has some major flaws.

When you have a quarterback that cant make all of the throw, you get those type of playcalls

Funny the Linehan/Moore offense wasnt a problem when Romo was under center

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Not impressive Jones boys, but needed. If you wanted to impress me, you would've handed it over to MM when he was hired. You always have to clean up the **** you created.

You nailed it my friend.

Why hire a coach like Mike and then don't let him run his offense. That was Mike's calling card. He could win with backups, multiple injuries to the offensive line, and a bad running game.

I have nothing against Moore, but his offense was stale to me.

I am actually excited to see Mike calling the plays next year. It will either expose him or the QB. I wonder if he finally pounded on Jerry's desk to make this happen? Would be a positive sign going forward if he did.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I’ll also add that no one can really make many comments about the passing game or the QB (other than he should have taken the sack or thrown it away) simply by watching the game on TV.

1000%......like you said, it's amazing seeing plays broken down and how the smallest details impact the outcome of the play.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

When you have a quarterback that cant make all of the throw, you get those type of playcalls

Funny the Linehan/Moore offense wasnt a problem when Romo was under center

Romo and Dak have pretty much the same post-season record

 

[FTWayne]

Let me take a guess why, dak sucks and this is just another attempt to prop up a bad quarterback?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

This is partly Moore's fault though. He's the OC who willingly trotted Zeke out there week after week and fed him instead of the clearly better player. Pollard barely got any playing time until middle of this year!!

If the OC has a weapon like that and would rather run Zeke up the gut every single first down, that's HIS fault

This is where I disagree. And all fans have to do is LISTEN. The previous year when Zeke was CLEARLY banged up..and then we find out after the season he was playing on a torn PCL....anyway...after he got injured....Jerry said out his own mouth....Zeke is fine and I EXPECT him to carry the load.

Translation: Zeke beat me at the negotiating table, and now I want what I paid for. I don't care if he has a flat tire, drive him anyway.

The core issue with this franchise is what it has always been....he will tell you exactly how he operates....some fans just can't or don't what to accept or believe it.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Good thread, I just want to add this rather obscure stat group: Per possession

Dallas ranked 18th in the NFL in yards per drive
Dallas ranked 17th in the NFL in plays per drive

You are saying "Well Doomsday, that's odd. I thought Dallas had one of the best offenses in the NFL?"

They did scoring wise but Dallas ranked 1st in takeaways this year. They also ranked 1st in takeaways last year. Sooooooo many of Dallas' points came on short fields. When the defense didn't generate turnovers, the offense couldn't put points on the board and they always struggled to sustain drives. From a yardage standpoint, Dallas simply got more possessions than other teams.

Dallas wasn't nearly as good on offense as some people believe and conversely, were better on defense. Those same stats for defense
Dallas ranked 6th in yards allowed per drive
Dallas ranked 9th in plays allowed per drive
Dallas ranked 1st in turnovers created per drive

Turnovers were the story of 2022 on both sides of the ball and for some reason, a lot of people selectively forget about them.

Good post......

 

[Hadenough]

Well I knew it was just a matter of time before Dak would get somebody fired. Moore did better with less when Rush played. They ran the ball and played a short controlled passing game. Dak comes back and that lasts a week or two and suddenly Mr inconsistent is trying to sling the ball all over the place acting like he is Mahomes.

 

[FTWayne]

Well I knew it was just a matter of time before Dak would get somebody fired. Moore did better with less when Rush played. They ran the ball and played a short controlled passing game. Dak comes back and that lasts a week or two and suddenly Mr inconsistent is trying to sling the ball all over the place acting like he is Mahomes.

That is his biggest problem. He tries to be like Mahones with 90 percent less skill set. His ego gets in his way. Oh well, next season you have to give Dak time with the new OC. So right the next season off. I can see Mike being next in the crosshairs. " Mike diesnt know how to scheme with Dak". Dak needs a new coach to carry him.