Why the Jonathan Mingo trade could haunt Dallas in 2025

big dog cowboy said:
The Cowboys are moving on from Cooks and his big deal. So to replace him they get another WR with 2 years left on his rookie deal.

Cowboys save money and cap space this way. Not sure what's so confusing about this.
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So basically they decided to go cheap at the #2 WR spot and its backfiring horribly
 
darthseinfeld said:
IMO they just jumped on something they perceived as value. They had a very high grade on him. Me and alot of others here liked him alot coming out too. They didnt put enough into scouting him as a pro player. Under 50% catch percentage, amd didn't improve year 2. I actually think it got worse here.

He is basically their 4th rounder, but they lose two years of control. That and his upside now appeara to be below average #3
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my problem with the trade was why a sure 4th rounder, when we could have (should have ?) offered a late round "conditional " pick that could have evolved into a 4th rd.
pending Mingo's seasonal contribution.

Even Deebo Samuel was dealt away for just a mere late round pick. ..but of course Niners wanted more to get rid of that massive contract for a gimmick WR.

But i keep figuring that McClay and Cap Boy will wheel and deal to trade back to regain that 4th round during the early part of the NFL draft at some point.
 
Waste of a 4th round draft pick for a non-starting WR on a team that builds solely through the draft…also hinders their ability to package picks to move up in the draft.

Just a poor use of a finite resource.
 
Kingofholland said:
I thought it was an odd trade and I didn't see anything from Mingo last season to change my opinion that made me like it. But we have a different staff and an entire offseason with him to see where he fits so I can't fully write off the trade at this point.

I still don't understand harping over a day 3 pick as if it's a catastrophic move that is crippling we'll regret for years to come. Yes, you don't want to throw away picks for nothing but this is much different than throwing away first round picks.
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i thought and assume it was more of Jerry pushing McClay for a mid season trade - just for the sake of trading - .. but even Jerry doesn't who Mingo was and the draft value round of this pick.. that goes thru McClay and Co.
 
quickccc said:
Wasn't the same thought of as Ryan Flournoy ?

- 6'1 , 205

- 4.44. in 40

- Benches 19 reps

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ryan-flournoy/3200464c-4f24-5061-41f9-621c1f481420
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Yeah this is the issue with the deal. You can find physical traits guys who need development in the mid rounds pretty regularly. Why not keep your 4th and grab one of those you can control for 4 years instead of trading for a guy you only get for 2 years?

The league is filled with players built like dez. What the league doesn’t have is guys who can play like dez.
 
Chasing6 said:
They started reaching to fill needs.
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Pretty much. I dont think the scouting is that bad as is, but they miss so often because they refuse to spend anything in free agency. The goal should be to add enough depth to your roster so you dont have to lock in on a specific position in the draft and can go BPA.
 
CATCH17 said:
Yeah it was a bad deal.
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yeah it was but this is another past mistake, maybe shotty can make him a decent wr.
If not try trading him.

They cant correct or change or redo past mistakes, just have to try not to make any more mistakes
like this.
The miami people ? or was it Jags? could not make him work.MM didnt really try much,
and rush was the qb and he didnt know mingo and wasnt used to him.

Lets see how he does after a full TC here with our new coaches.
 
DuncanIso said:
You might want to read the kids draft bio.
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Because that is how players are graded.

Dez came into the league a STAR.

Mingo hasnt even come close. And never will. Where someone is picked doesnt make them good.

Ryan Leaf ring a bell?
 
Can probably get Cooper Kupp for same draft pick they did Mingo. Jerry and his WR trades. *sigh*
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Jerry, like any successful businessman, knows his customers.

This trade had nothing to do with making the team better.

Jerry knew that all he needed to do was make some kind of move, no matter how big or small, and 75ish percent of the fans that were feeling out would be brought right back in.

He is smarter than his customers and it's not really close.
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Probably right, and if so he really misjudged that one.

Pretty much no one bought that one.
 
DandyDon52 said:
yeah it was but this is another past mistake, maybe shotty can make him a decent wr.
If not try trading him.

They cant correct or change or redo past mistakes, just have to try not to make any more mistakes
like this.
The miami people ? or was it Jags? could not make him work.MM didnt really try much,
and rush was the qb and he didnt know mingo and wasnt used to him.

Lets see how he does after a full TC here with our new coaches.
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It was obviously a move for this season. Time will tell.

Tolbert had a quietly good season with more TD's than CD. 49 catches and 610 yards. If he can build on that we might be ok.
 
Chasing6 said:
It was obviously a move for this season. Time will tell.

Tolbert had a quietly good season with more TD's than CD. 49 catches and 610 yards. If he can build on that we might be ok.
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The piece that people miss on Tolbert is while he had decent WR3 production in 2024 he received WR1 reps. He ran the 19th most routes in the league this past year, but was 121st in yards per route ran. He is a usable piece, but has a lot of work to be much more than a depth piece still on a winning team. His numbers were more so based on quantity than quality reps.

Its tougher to get him on the field for a high volume of snaps but this is where I like a guy like Turpin a lot more for that WR3 role....His efficiency was nearly double what Tolbert had at 2.06 Y/RR vs 1.10 for Tolbert.
 
I’m tired of hearing about this

If it wasn’t Dallas no one would care of bat an eye

It’s a freakin 4th round pick……yes other better talent went for 5ths and whatnot but of all the things to haunt us THIS ISNT ONE
 
thunderpimp91 said:
The piece that people miss on Tolbert is while he had decent WR3 production in 2024 he received WR1 reps. He ran the 19th most routes in the league this past year, but was 121st in yards per route ran. He is a usable piece, but has a lot of work to be much more than a depth piece still on a winning team. His numbers were more so based on quantity than quality reps.

Its tougher to get him on the field for a high volume of snaps but this is where I like a guy like Turpin a lot more for that WR3 role....His efficiency was nearly double what Tolbert had at 2.06 Y/RR vs 1.10 for Tolbert.
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I agree with the snap count, but he only had 79 targets. CD is always going to be the main focus. My bigger concern with him is his lack of yards after the catch.
 
Chasing6 said:
I agree with the snap count, but he only had 79 targets. CD is always going to be the main focus. My bigger concern with him is his lack of yards after the catch.
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Agree and I think this is where he needs to really make a jump if we count on him as more than a role player. Part of the issue I see on film is that he works best running these comeback routes. Hes good enough on in cutting routes to take advantage of play design to get some catches there, but really hasn't been good enough to win 1V1 consistently. He simply needs a more complete route tree that he can win reps with, but unless its a comeback route its typically a contested catch without much separation.

I get Lamb will be the main focal point, but Turpin and even both Schoon and Ferg had better efficiency numbers this year.
 
phildadon86 said:
Because that is how players are graded.

Dez came into the league a STAR.

Mingo hasnt even come close. And never will. Where someone is picked doesnt make them good.

Ryan Leaf ring a bell?
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hes a 2nd round pick. Top 40.

lets see what the kid can do in camp.

McClay thinks he can play WR2.
 
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