Why the Justin Herbert contract is good news for the Cowboys

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CowboyoWales

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No, you are able to understand, but have an agenda that you state as the only alternative.
Nope, sorry for whatever reason I dont get your jumble of words as a coherent point/argument. However, if the sum of your response is "agenda" argument, to my points in # 92, which is a fairly clear argument as to why the Herbert/Dak contract extension's arent similar, then I guess I shouldnt be surprised that that I never understand you.
 

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Nope, sorry for whatever reason I dont get your jumble of words as a coherent point/argument. However, if the sum of your response is "agenda" argument, to my points in # 92, which is a fairly clear argument as to why the Herbert/Dak contract extension's arent similar, then I guess I shouldnt be surprised that that I never understand you.
You don't see the need of protecting with adequate considerations if in fact Dak Prescott DOES succeed as planned.
I'm not bound by your view nor YOUR attitudes.

No surprises to it...don't, Sir, go tossing around your insults of my being ignorance and not understandable.

That is yours. Now own it...those are your insults.

My statements have been simple as well as quoted...run along and present pompous to someone else. You certainly aren't the hot rod of being a fan here.


If you can't understand this:

It gives a current tool if the quarterback position for the Dallas Cowboys does settle out and start being supportive. A means to be successful and not mourning a loss before it's necessary even.

You are still attempting to problem solve instead for failure only. That's why!


THAT is mumbling and not meaning anything of value?...get a class on English as a second language...Mr. Football Guy.
 
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It would be good news for Dak, except if we don't make the NFC championship, he will be looking for another team within 2 years. I am a Dak fan, but time to put it all together and make a run in the playoffs. If he is the reason we get eliminated in the playoffs. He is gone, if he puts up great numbers but the defense lets us down. Then Mccarthy is gone.
Dak’s last Pro Bowl was 2018.
 

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You don't see the need of protecting with adequate considerations if in fact Dak Prescott DOES succeed as planned.
I'm not bound by your view nor YOUR attitudes.

No surprises to it...don't, Sir, go tossing around your insults of my being ignorance and not understandable.

That is yours. Now own it...those are your insults.

My statements have been simple as well as quoted...run along and present pompous to someone else. You certainly aren't the hot rod of being a fan here.


If you can't understand this:

It gives a current tool if the quarterback position for the Dallas Cowboys does settle out and start being supportive. A means to be successful and not mourning a loss before it's necessary even.

Still attempting to problem solve instead for proving failure only. That's why!


THAT is mumbling and not meaning anything of value?...get a class on English as a second language...Mr. Football Guy.
My point's arent as an attack on Dak, it's that the Herbert deal doesnt make it easier to get the Dak deal over the line.
 

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My point's arent as an attack on Dak, it's that the Herbert deal doesnt make it easier to get the Dak deal over the line.
That statement does stand on itself...but disjointed in a conversation that includes expansion of procedures just having occurred in San Diego that does give credability for future inclusion of Dak Prescott. And it does point to a strong ability for Dallas in current negotiations when one looks at the recently signed cornerback contract and what appears to be going on with a potential renegotiation involving Martin as well.
 

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That statement does stand on itself...but disjointed in a conversation that includes expansion of procedures just having occurred in San Diego that does give credability for future inclusion of Dak Prescott. And it does point to a strong ability for Dallas in current negotiations when one looks at the recently signed cornerback contract and what appears to be going on with a potential renegotiation involving Martin as well.
Again, Digg's contract (and even Martin's displeasure) arent in the same ballpark as Dak's situation. Digg's (as with Herbert) is an easy, pay him/dont pay him (negotiate the years).....with Dak (if history's going to be repeated) the negotiations will involve length of contract, deferred money ($62m) that has to be catered for and that Dallas havent an alternative.
Why does Dak need to negotiate....he's going to get $34m in his pocket in 2024 (and $31m this year), combine all those considerations leads to the conclusion that Dak's in no rush to negotiate and im sure if he does then France is going to fleece the Jones'.

The difference with Herbert is he was getting a poultry $4m in cash this year.

With your 'agenda' comment it appears you think this is a Dak Hate take, when in reality it's looking at the Herbert/Dak contractual position as being unconnected on so many levels.
 

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It would be good news for Dak, except if we don't make the NFC championship, he will be looking for another team within 2 years. I am a Dak fan, but time to put it all together and make a run in the playoffs. If he is the reason we get eliminated in the playoffs. He is gone, if he puts up great numbers but the defense lets us down. Then Mccarthy is gone.


Seeing Dak has been the reason for losing in the playoffs I know where I’m betting my money

Unfortunately even when it is Daks fault MM will get the blame
 

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Again, Digg's contract (and even Martin's displeasure) arent in the same ballpark as Dak's situation. Digg's (as with Herbert) is an easy, pay him/dont pay him (negotiate the years).....with Dak (if history's going to be repeated) the negotiations will involve length of contract, deferred money ($62m) that has to be catered for and that Dallas havent an alternative.
Why does Dak need to negotiate....he's going to get $34m in his pocket in 2024 (and $31m this year), combine all those considerations leads to the conclusion that Dak's in no rush to negotiate and im sure if he does then France is going to fleece the Jones'.

The difference with Herbert is he was getting a poultry $4m in cash this year.

With your 'agenda' comment it appears you think this is a Dak Hate take, when in reality it's looking at the Herbert/Dak contractual position as being unconnected on so many levels.
You are simply assuming a non-stop flow of what I haven't stated nor attempted to state...the OP that was quoted is not what you are offering as my statements.

You again state nothing more than what you continue to state is my attention and focus. It isn't...and it does apply as indicated and you continue to accept as simply the stated, and restated reason.

Good night, I won't discuss further with you as you didn't accept the OP to begin with...good night. You'll never control any ledger books for myself....nor will I accept you vantage point concerning the Cowboys.

The point again is a bargaining advantage that manages larger sums better over time...go play with arbitrary stats all you wish.


What you can really be alarmed with at present are the heat alerts.

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This is good news for the Cowboys in two ways. First, it gives them a precedent to point to in negotiations with Dak’s agent, that other quarterbacks are signing deals early and still reaching the top of the market. Second, it gives the Cowboys some precedent to point to if other veteran players try to use a new Dak extension as justification that they need a new deal with two years remaining. The Cowboys can claim a ‘QB exception rule’ for revisiting deals that early.


Points posted from OP!
 

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I don't get the hoopla over contracts for QB's. The owners/GMs know that the market is bonkers but are more than willing to pay it. The cap is rising quickly every year. Unless the world(and US) suffers some type of moderate recession a 50mil AAV contract for a QB will be cheap. Similar to a handful of years ago 30mil was cheap for QB's getting 40 and even further back when 30mil was high compared to 25mil aav...

Contract restructuring shows that teams can keep those AAVs from seriously impacting the cap. Dak has been restructured every year. Never been close to 40mil cap hit.

The only people are are getting screwed are the consumers with rising ticket prices and TV streaming/cable prices to afford those gargantuan NFL rights contracts.
 

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It would be good news for Dak, except if we don't make the NFC championship, he will be looking for another team within 2 years. I am a Dak fan, but time to put it all together and make a run in the playoffs. If he is the reason we get eliminated in the playoffs. He is gone, if he puts up great numbers but the defense lets us down. Then Mccarthy is gone.
Good post.

I feel the same way.
 

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Dallas won't be able to keep enough quality players if Dak's salary of 50M+ takes up 20%+ of cap! So if Dallas keeps Dak for his above average play, Dallas loses some good players. Dallas needs to start drafting some qb's. They are currently in a lose-lose situation.
There is not a single core player Dallas cannot keep while paying Dak. The thing about them not being active in free agency is that it basically means they can keep their core together. While the weakness of not going in during a window, either Dak's rookie deal or with the young core of Micah and Diggs and Lamb, is that you are not going to be as talented, and therefore less likely to win, against teams that did go all in, but the strength is that you can keep your core together pretty easily.
 

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Agree Die and with that seems like every position is going up in salary but the RB position and even some kickers are on par with the RB ( SAS bought this up to Clark this morning) on salary.
Look I hate to keep bringing this up you do realize there's three to four running backs on every team there's 32 teams let's just keep it at three what is that 100 running backs they're only 32 kickers of course the average is going to be brought way down on running back pay when you have to divide it by three times the amount of players who are diluting the average pay scale if you look at the starting money there is no kicker that even makes close to the $6 million most starters are making you know the top starters.. Basic math says stop comparing kickers to running backs in their salaries because they're nowhere close.. Again yes the bottom 40 running backs are dragging the average down but most running backs starting running backs worth their salt you know who started all this conversation like saquan Barkley you're trying to tell me that even with the franchise tag at 10 million and some say that that's kicker money are you serious that's three salaries for a kicker most kickers don't make$3 million even the best ones that's about the highest pay for most kickers.. It's been obvious to the league and to the owners that the running back position is a little easier to replace nowadays and they get hurt more often they get wore down more often and they're gonna pay that position less because it's easier to replace. Why would those salaries go up? You do realize that saquan Barkley is making probably twice as much as Emmett Smith did back then so don't say the salaries haven't gone up and when you look at how overpaid Christian McCaffrey and Kamara were who were the last two big name running backs to get paid and then they do what nothing but get hurt and under achieve when it comes to their salaries everyone wants to talk about Elliot why don't you look at what McCaffrey did in 2020 and 2021 and the first half of 2022 really those three years together, that was elliott's rookie year.. This is what's driving down the market is they literally got paid too much too quick and now it's settled back down to reality... I'm not gonna feel bad for dudes making $6 million a year or more I don't even gonna feel bad for the dudes making 1.8 million whatever the average running back makes most of those guys look at what Philadelphia paid their guys all of them together but if you look at their injury histories you look at how often they've missed games I mean that actually is what they should be getting paid given the fact that they haven't proven that they can stay on the field consistently and they don't give money back when they're hurt by the way I mean saquan Barkley would owe the league a lot so would Christian McCaffrey to pay their team back when they're injured and not playing. since that doesn't happen I think owners have seeing this in a different light and go guys are gonna get hurt a lot and they're gonna be missing games and underperforming why should we pay $16 million to a player we can replace with for half that or less?
 

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Look I hate to keep bringing this up you do realize there's three to four running backs on every team there's 32 teams let's just keep it at three what is that 100 running backs they're only 32 kickers of course the average is going to be brought way down on running back pay when you have to divide it by three times the amount of players who are diluting the average pay scale if you look at the starting money there is no kicker that even makes close to the $6 million most starters are making you know the top starters.. Basic math says stop comparing kickers to running backs in their salaries because they're nowhere close.. Again yes the bottom 40 running backs are dragging the average down but most running backs starting running backs worth their salt you know who started all this conversation like saquan Barkley you're trying to tell me that even with the franchise tag at 10 million and some say that that's kicker money are you serious that's three salaries for a kicker most kickers don't make$3 million even the best ones that's about the highest pay for most kickers.. It's been obvious to the league and to the owners that the running back position is a little easier to replace nowadays and they get hurt more often they get wore down more often and they're gonna pay that position less because it's easier to replace. Why would those salaries go up? You do realize that saquan Barkley is making probably twice as much as Emmett Smith did back then so don't say the salaries haven't gone up and when you look at how overpaid Christian McCaffrey and Kamara were who were the last two big name running backs to get paid and then they do what nothing but get hurt and under achieve when it comes to their salaries everyone wants to talk about Elliot why don't you look at what McCaffrey did in 2020 and 2021 and the first half of 2022 really those three years together, that was elliott's rookie year.. This is what's driving down the market is they literally got paid too much too quick and now it's settled back down to reality... I'm not gonna feel bad for dudes making $6 million a year or more I don't even gonna feel bad for the dudes making 1.8 million whatever the average running back makes most of those guys look at what Philadelphia paid their guys all of them together but if you look at their injury histories you look at how often they've missed games I mean that actually is what they should be getting paid given the fact that they haven't proven that they can stay on the field consistently and they don't give money back when they're hurt by the way I mean saquan Barkley would owe the league a lot so would Christian McCaffrey to pay their team back when they're injured and not playing. since that doesn't happen I think owners have seeing this in a different light and go guys are gonna get hurt a lot and they're gonna be missing games and underperforming why should we pay $16 million to a player we can replace with for half that or less?

Agree not arguing here just passing along what I saw and heard about the position. we all know RB position is devalued compared to ES days but today game is a different game. Gurley, CMC and Zeke after those contracts the RB position will never be the same again and can’t blame them but that position have taken a beaten.
 

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Agree not arguing here just passing along what I saw and heard about the position. we all know RB position is devalued compared to ES days but today game is a different game. Gurley, CMC and Zeke after those contracts the RB position will never be the same again and can’t blame them but that position have taken a beaten.
Never say never and by the way add Camaro to that list they've been plenty of backs after Elliot the Elliot can be taken off that four horsemen meme and you could put in McCaffrey and Kamara as the last two that really affected the running back market... But on the flip side of that it's not as if Derek Henry cooks or Jones did terribly bad after getting paid so there's always some alternate opinions but I think the market got out of control and now it's stabilized.. It is very simple to weigh regular life happens with stocks and bonds and things like gas and electricity they fluctuate and in this case right now they're getting paid a little less but they could compare them to a kicker is ridiculous because again the math does not add up...
 

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With the skyrocketing QB contracts, you might think the Cowboy's brain trust would conclude:

We're the most valuable dports franchise in the world

We have a global fan base and basically fill a 100k stadium every game

Why continue to spend an ever increasing amount (and percentage of the cap) on the QB position?

Plan to draft a QB every 3rd or so draft and devote the bulk of the cap for defense and a top-notch OL

Just a thought
 

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https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-extension-good-news-stephen-jones-salary-cap

The Cowboys need to re-work QB Dak Prescott’s contract at some point before 2024, so the Justin Herbert extension is relevant.

Herbert’s deal is noted as five years, $262.5 million, the biggest ever for the NFL. On the surface you would think that this would be bad news for the Cowboys, as Dak Prescott’s own $40 million per year contract has only about 18 months left before it expires.



This is good news for the Cowboys in two ways. First, it gives them a precedent to point to in negotiations with Dak’s agent, that other quarterbacks are signing deals early and still reaching the top of the market. Second, it gives the Cowboys some precedent to point to if other veteran players try to use a new Dak extension as justification that they need a new deal with two years remaining. The Cowboys can claim a ‘QB exception rule’ for revisiting deals that early.

The next aspect of the extension that is good news for the Cowboys is the length of the deal, Herbert’s contract makes eight of the top-10 quarterback contracts in annual value, that are all at least five-year contracts. Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, and Josh Allen have all signed at least five-year contracts, with all but Jackson and Watson signing those deals as extensions.




...A five-year extension is much more valuable to the team than a four-year deal because of the freedom it gives Stephen Jones and Adam Prasifka to move the cap charges around year to year. Dak has a great deal of leverage in his negotiations with the team because he is their most important player and the keystone the team is built around. But the Justin Herbert contract, as well as the other recent quarterback deals have given the Cowboys some help as they go to Dak’s camp with a clear outline of what the his value is on the quarterback market, with a great deal of certainty.
I'm not sure the first point is really much of a factor. I doubt Dak was ever opposed to signing a deal early as long as it was near the top of the market. I just don't think Jerry was offering that when he first started negotiating with Dak the last time.

I'm also not sure we want to use Herbert's contract as a benchmark. Dak is 5 years older and he's coming off his worst season since 2017. Obviously that doesn't mean he and the Cowboys can't have a great year this season, but as things sit today Dak's career doesn't seem to be as much on the rise as Herbert's
 

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Never say never and by the way add Camaro to that list they've been plenty of backs after Elliot the Elliot can be taken off that four horsemen meme and you could put in McCaffrey and Kamara as the last two that really affected the running back market... But on the flip side of that it's not as if Derek Henry cooks or Jones did terribly bad after getting paid so there's always some alternate opinions but I think the market got out of control and now it's stabilized.. It is very simple to weigh regular life happens with stocks and bonds and things like gas and electricity they fluctuate and in this case right now they're getting paid a little less but they could compare them to a kicker is ridiculous because again the math does not add up...

Agree with this and remember in the real world some people lose there jobs also.
 

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Dallas won't be able to keep enough quality players if Dak's salary of 50M+ takes up 20%+ of cap! So if Dallas keeps Dak for his above average play, Dallas loses some good players. Dallas needs to start drafting some qb's. They are currently in a lose-lose situation.
Cool. He has never taken up 20% of the cap, not even close. They've never even had to get rid of anyone significant because of it.

I love people with opinions like this that have no basis in reality.
 
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