Why the Justin Herbert contract is good news for the Cowboys

[CCBoy]

Like I said, I don't think you understand how message boards are supposed to work.

You have a preference I really don't respect because it assumes a hell of a lot that just isn't true and respective as to an immediate response.

Sophisticated, huh...I don't comply abstractly on a football board. Ever line up against five future Pro Bowlers...get back to me when you aren't so 'sophisticated.'

I don't have to figure out your thought process...state it!

 

[CCBoy]

Holy cow

Negotiation advantages and backed by legal council on both sides of a contract...contract law. Ever been to law school for just that - UCC. (Uniform Commercial Code)

 

[zekecowboy]

He wont be gone. There is not a QB even close to the same caliber in FA and they are not about to waste the primes of the core they have on a rebuild to find a QB, and new young players, to try and win with.

Dallas won't be able to keep enough quality players if Dak's salary of 50M+ takes up 20%+ of cap! So if Dallas keeps Dak for his above average play, Dallas loses some good players. Dallas needs to start drafting some qb's. They are currently in a lose-lose situation.

 

[JayFord]

Justin Herberts contract has nothing to do with Dak aa Dak is 30 and might not even get a long term contract..

As much as i like Dak id give him 2 years 85 million and thats it

Get a superbowl in that span and youll be here til you retire....if not, youre cut

 

[Jarv]

Dak has owned your team for years. Is that why you're triggered??

Tell that to my family in CA. They love Dak and want us to extend him.

 

[CCBoy]

Tell that to my family in CA. They love Dak and want us to extend him.

 

[Jarv]

Of course they are 49ers fans.

 

[Cowboys5217]

QB s salaries need to be excluded from the cap. Or at least line 30 million annually.

There needs to be a cap on QB salaries to get control of it. It is staring a spiral that will soon price athletes of other positions out of jobs.

 

[CCBoy]

Of course they are 49ers fans.

They have maintained being a great franchise a very, very long time. But it's not the fault of Dak Prescott. All soldiers can go to war and succeed being forged in fire. He'll be there.

 

[Diehardblues]

There needs to be a cap on QB salaries to get control of it. It is staring a spiral that will soon price athletes of other positions out of jobs.

Part of the problem is fans still see this as a football league which it has been evolving for last 60+ years into more of entertainment sports.

And QB’s have become the Star in a leading role. They are the headliners which can make their franchise one of the top selling products.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Part of the problem is fans still see this as a football league which it has been evolving for last 60+ years into more of entertainment sports.

And QB’s have become the Star in a leading role. They are the headliners which can make their franchise one of the top selling products.

Agree Die and with that seems like every position is going up in salary but the RB position and even some kickers are on par with the RB ( SAS bought this up to Clark this morning) on salary.

 

[DandyDon52]

First, he's a very good quarterback. He is a tall quarterback who's receivers as a group are very tall and even able to vertically get open against many smaller cornerbacks as well. He's good in San Diego.

The point is that the market now is shifting to five year contracts to protect cap and make it even more useable to support team cap pictures.

I have not seen him play much, just about 3 games, but he looks good, strong arm.
And his coaches have been meh, but still bottom line is results.
and yes longer contracts are what teams want, but dak insisted on 4 years last time, and may do it again. I think jerry was wanting a 6 year deal last time.

 

[McMicah]

Why not just pass a rule that no single player can exceed 15% of the cap? It’s a team sport, so call it the ‘teammate protocol’.

 

[SiCk_DiAbLo]

Maybe Dak will take a pay cut like Rodgers did in New York to get more talent on the team...

 

[LocoBates]

This is the one thing I'm totally against Dak for the sake of the team: paying him $50+ mil/year. That's just crazy and extremely team debilitating stuff. Them owners have lost it. $40 mil/year is already too much for any starting QB. Now it's up to $52 mil/year?

I agree, it has gone out of control and for all the Teams not just Cowboys. Also, it should be by merit and not by position. Position wise the QB will always get the upper hand as it is the most important in the Team, but at least in half the cases such high salary does not match with the results produced.

I am going to say it without mentioning his name, but the Dallas QB has not produced the results expected for $40M a year, much less $50M or $52M especially because funds are not limitless and other key Team positions need to be addressed too.

I think it would be best to find a successor and prepare him during the next 2 seasons and part ways with the current QB at end of this current contract.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Maybe Dak will take a pay cut like Rodgers did in New York to get more talent on the team...

Hello suckaaaas I got my bag what did you get in return????

 

[CCBoy]

Rob Peter to pay Paul?

 

[CCBoy]

I dont really get what point you're trying to make. My query on the OP is that I dont see how Herbert's contracts has clarified the Dak position and certainly doesnt mean the Jones have gained any leverage. Indeed, Dak/France hold all the cards due to the way the last contracted was negotiated and then 'abused' by subsequent restructures.

It gives a current tool if the quarterback position for the Dallas Cowboys does settle out and start being supportive. A means to be successful and not mourning a loss before it's necessary even. Still attempting to problem solve instead for proving failure only. That's why!

 

[CowboyoWales]

It gives a current tool if the quarterback position for the Dallas Cowboys does settle out and start being supportive. A means to be successful and not mourning a loss before it's necessary even. Still attempting to problem solve instead for proving failure only. That's why!

Nope, still not able to make out what you're saying. However, the Herbert deal (as explained in #14) doesnt really 'help resolve' the Dak contract as France hold's all the cards.
The differences are:
-Factoring in the restructured cap,
-Time restraint (Herbert had rookie two years left, whereas we need to lower the $59m in 2024)....to add to this problem, Dak has no real incentive/need/rush to sign an extension ....he's getting $34m in his pocket in 2024.
- We have no alternative to Dak
-Whether Dak wants to hit free agency in the future (if he does then he wants a contract which limited years, which we'll struggle with due to the restructured/deferred money held over on this contract).
-We'd (the Jones) need a long contract to spread out (that deferred money)....FRANCE IS FULLY AWARE OF THIS AND WILL MAKE US PAY.....especially as any longer contract will presumably run through 2026 (when the CAP is expected to rise to nearly $310m).

As I mentioned there's an imbalance between the needs of Dak/France and the Jones (unlike Herbert and Chargers) and because of that France holds all the cards, and as he showed with the last contract (where he didnt negotiate....he got everything and more that he wanted).

The Herbert (and the pending Burrows/Lawrence) deal give a limited framework, however, unless France/Dak feel generous his deal will blow them out of the water......based mainly on the last contract (and lead up years) and how the Jones have kicked the can.

 

[CCBoy]

Nope, still not able to make out what you're saying. However, the Herbert deal (as explained in #14) doesnt really 'help resolve' the Dak contract as France hold's all the cards.
The differences are:
-Factoring in the restructured cap,
-Time restraint (Herbert had rookie two years left, whereas we need to lower the $59m in 2024)....to add to this problem, Dak has no real incentive/need/rush to sign an extension ....he's getting $34m in his pocket in 2024.
- We have no alternative to Dak
-Whether Dak wants to hit free agency in the future (if he does then he wants a contract which limited years, which we'll struggle with due to the restructured/deferred money held over on this contract).
-We'd (the Jones) need a long contract to spread out (that deferred money)....FRANCE IS FULLY AWARE OF THIS AND WILL MAKE US PAY.....especially as any longer contract will presumably run through 2026 (when the CAP is expected to rise to nearly $310m).

As I mentioned there's an imbalance between the needs of Dak/France and the Jones (unlike Herbert and Chargers) and because of that France holds all the cards, and as he showed with the last contract (where he didnt negotiate....he got everything and more that he wanted).

The Herbert (and the pending Burrows/Lawrence) deal give a limited framework, however, unless France/Dak feel generous his deal will blow them out of the water......based mainly on the last contract (and lead up years) and how the Jones have kicked the can.

No, you are able to understand, but have an agenda that you state as the only alternative.