Why would Ware take a pay cut?

[MichaelWinicki]

Take it for what it's worth, but a source close to Ware tells me if the Cowboys cut him, Daniel Snyder is ready to sign him. The Commanders aren't a contender - at least they weren't last year - but they're two years removed from the playoffs, and Ware would love nothing more than to stick it to the Cowboys twice a year.

Every cut player wants to "stick it" to the team that cut him.

And Washington wants to sign every player.

Really nothing new.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Take it for what it's worth, but a source close to Ware tells me if the Cowboys cut him, Daniel Snyder is ready to sign him. The Commanders aren't a contender - at least they weren't last year - but they're two years removed from the playoffs, and Ware would love nothing more than to stick it to the Cowboys twice a year.

Wow. If this is true then I'd cut him today and not think twice about it. Let him go to the skins, he will be injured by week 3. 20 years ago Players would never even consider playing for their arch rivals. Now it's all about the money. That's the only reason ware would leave Dallas for the skins. Puke.
#ihatetheskins

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wow. If this is true then I'd cut him today and not think twice about it. Let him go to the skins, he will be injured by week 3. 20 years ago Players would never even consider playing for their arch rivals. Now it's all about the money. That's the only reason ware would leave Dallas for the skins. Puke.
#ihatetheskins

20 years ago, the Dallas Cowboys signed Neon Dieon Sanders away from San Francisco, who was a Major Rival of ours at the time. Ever since FA became a part of the NFL, players have signed with Rivals. It's nothing new and it's been going on for as long as FA has been around.

 

[Galian Beast]

His dead money figure will be ~8 million if they cut him, right? Meaning if they sign a scrub like Selive 750k - 1 million, they are putting in at least 9 million to replace him. He has quite a bit of leverage, in that regard.

It's becoming more and more apparent that people don't know how the cap works.

There is 8 million to cut Ware, yet his total cap hit for the year is 16 million. You can sign someone for 8 million dollars to replace Ware and you still break even, plus you save money next year.

 

[tyke1doe]

Every cut player wants to "stick it" to the team that cut him.

And Washington wants to sign every player.

Really nothing new.

True. But the person who said it is close to Ware.
Be that as it may, I was just passing it on.

 

[Corso]

20 years ago, the Dallas Cowboys signed Neon Dieon Sanders away from San Francisco, who was a Major Rival of ours at the time. Ever since FA became a part of the NFL, players have signed with Rivals. It's nothing new and it's been going on for as long as FA has been around.

True- FA kind of eliminated loyalty between player and team.

 

[TheDude]

Didn't he already say he wouldn't?

There's only 1 team he can even state that to. Open market, he gets less. He's got no gauanteed salary this year. If jerry pays the 12m...officially the future is doomed

 

[DBOY3141]

20 years ago, the Dallas Cowboys signed Neon Dieon Sanders away from San Francisco, who was a Major Rival of ours at the time. Ever since FA became a part of the NFL, players have signed with Rivals. It's nothing new and it's been going on for as long as FA has been around.

A better example would be Ken Norton, JR. who was drafted by the Cowboys, helped them win two SB's and then went to the hated 49ers. FA killed player loyalty as we old timers remember it. Now it's all about the money on both the players and teams outlook.

 

[manster4ever]

He is owed ZERO guaranteed dollars, is coming off a down year and off season surgery. There are other DEs on the market and he has never made over 8m as a base salary before.

As far as the cap is concerned, it not what he costs but what they save by cutting him. If they keep him it's a 16m cap hit. If they cut him it's a 8.5m cap hit plus his replacement. If it's a rookie it's around 1.5m tops, if it's a 10m a year FA it's still around 4m tops.

no brainer....thanks for the memories DW (seriously). VERY good player who's breaking down. 90% of the teams in the league would part company. Al Davis Jr? Who the heck knows....he's hung onto old, broken down players too long before. It's one of the many things he does that continually hurt this team. If he cuts bait, it will be a refreshing glimmer of hope.

 

[xwalker]

His dead money figure will be ~8 million if they cut him, right? Meaning if they sign a scrub like Selive 750k - 1 million, they are putting in at least 9 million to replace him. He has quite a bit of leverage, in that regard.

The dead-money has already been paid. It is irrelevant. They still gain 7.4M in cap space by cutting him as compared to keeping him at his current salary.

Ware's (pre restructured) base salary has never been over 6M in the past. Technically, he wouldn't be taking a pay cut if they paid him 6M again. The 12.25M was just one of those big numbers that teams put in the later years of contracts. It's really just a place holder to allow them to stretch out the contract over more years while making it an easy number for the player to agree with.

The Cowboys could probably sign Jared Allen who is the same age as Ware for much less than 12.25M. Allen has been healthier than Ware and has more sacks over the past few years. Also, he is a legit 4-3 DE with no questions about his fit in that defense. At age 32, I would guess that Allen gets somewhere around 6M to 8M.

 

[dogberry]

Are we deciding among Ware, Allen, and Hatcher for $8m a year?

 

[Nightman]

Why does it matter what he has or hasn't made as a base salary in years prior?

Because everyone is saying he needs to take a 'pay cut'. He has never made 12.75m before, so how is it a pay cut. And that was in his prime. He made 6m last year and now won't come off of a made-up, tack-on, agent feels better about the contract 12.75m number.

 

[Nightman]

Take it for what it's worth, but a source close to Ware tells me if the Cowboys cut him, Daniel Snyder is ready to sign him. The Commanders aren't a contender - at least they weren't last year - but they're two years removed from the playoffs, and Ware would love nothing more than to stick it to the Cowboys twice a year.

Snyder won't re-sign Orakpo, but he would race to sign Ware. That should tell us something. If Ware really believes this, then cut him today and let TSmith abuse him next year.

 

[Nightman]

Snyder won't re-sign Orakpo, but he would race to sign Ware. That should tell us something. If Ware really believes this, then cut him today and let TSmith abuse him next year.

I have to reply to myself. Washington just tagged Orakpo, so there goes one landing spot.

 

[Hoofbite]

Because everyone is saying he needs to take a 'pay cut'. He has never made 12.75m before, so how is it a pay cut. And that was in his prime. He made 6m last year and now won't come off of a made-up, tack-on, agent feels better about the contract 12.75m number.

Not a pay cut?

Easy to say when you're NOT the guy looking at a $6M difference in earnings.

I also don't think these years are just "tack on years". His base salaries have been disproportionately low since he signed the deal. At some point you actually have to pay guys. Unfortunately for Dallas they decided it would be wise for Ware to have his highest cap hits at the age of 31 and not when he was younger cranking out 16 sacks a season to justify a large cap number.

 

[Nightman]

Not a pay cut?

Easy to say when you're NOT the guy looking at a $6M difference in earnings.

I also don't think these years are just "tack on years". His base salaries have been disproportionately low since he signed the deal. At some point you actually have to pay guys. Unfortunately for Dallas they decided it would be wise for Ware to have his highest cap hits at the age of 31 and not when he was younger cranking out 16 sacks a season to justify a large cap number.

That doesn't make any sense. Dallas wrote the contract this way on purpose. It wasn't some fortunate accident. If he was still cranking out 16 sacks, then the number MIGHT have been a starting point. But he hasn't been, so it's not.

If I told you were going to make 200k next year after making 100k for the last 5 years and then said the economy tanked but I could still offer you 125k, would that be a pay cut or a raise?

 

[Direwolf63]

Not a pay cut?

Easy to say when you're NOT the guy looking at a $6M difference in earnings.

I also don't think these years are just "tack on years". His base salaries have been disproportionately low since he signed the deal. At some point you actually have to pay guys. Unfortunately for Dallas they decided it would be wise for Ware to have his highest cap hits at the age of 31 and not when he was younger cranking out 16 sacks a season to justify a large cap number.

The reason his salaries have been "disproportionately low" is because of the enormous signing bonus he got when he signed the deal. When you factor that in, he has been very well compensated since the start of the contract. It's just that the 2014 salary is "disproportionately high" given his age, injuries and recent productivity. That's why Jerry is in the pickle he's now in.

Bottom line is that even at $7MM, it's more money than he's made last year or even before last. So yes, when compared to those numbers, it's not a pay cut at all.

 

[khiladi]

If not for Orakpo's injury history, I would like to have him.

Was franchised today..,

 

[Nightman]

The reason his salaries have been "disproportionately low" is because of the enormous signing bonus he got when he signed the deal. When you factor that in, he has been very well compensated since the start of the contract. It's just that the 2014 salary is "disproportionately high" given his age, injuries and recent productivity. That's why Jerry is in the pickle he's now in.

Bottom line is that even at $7MM, it's more money than he's made last year or even before last. So yes, when compared to those numbers, it's not a pay cut at all.

And a lot of that Signing Bonus had to attributed to compensating him for his rookie deal, where he made 3m for his first 5 years.

 

[khiladi]

Take it for what it's worth, but a source close to Ware tells me if the Cowboys cut him, Daniel Snyder is ready to sign him. The Commanders aren't a contender - at least they weren't last year - but they're two years removed from the playoffs, and Ware would love nothing more than to stick it to the Cowboys twice a year.

Watch the hypocrisy, because Commander fans like to talk about how their LT always owns him. They'll be like, they just signed the best pass rusher in the last ten years.