Why would Ware take a pay cut?

Nightman

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Nobody cares. It's a business and I'm sure Ware is not going to lose any sleep over you or anybody rooting for him. He should try to get the deal that is best for him and his family and the Cowboys should try to negotiate what is best for the team.

It ends up that way though.

Lighten up. Someone asked me a question and I answered it. I don't believe Ware cares about what I think.
 

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Well I happen to value a certain characteristic, it's called loyalty. Ya know, to the fans, to the team that drafted him and made him Demarcus Ware.
Any cowboy that could have his pick of teams and he chooses our most hated rival? That's like dating your best friends ex gf, bro.
I know it's a business. But as a longtime fan of ware and the cowboys, I don't like the idea of ware considering the Commanders. He should despise the Commanders.
You think Richard Sherman likes the 49ers? That's how it always used to be. Hes got the right mentality, no RKG. They have a few guys like that. Seattle is just old school like that.

But not to the player and the contract?

This team did not make DeMarcus Ware into what he is. He made himself into what he is. He owes us nothing.
 

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Lighten up. Someone asked me a question and I answered it. I don't believe Ware cares about what I think.

Lighten up, really?


You have like 10 or 12 posts in this thread. Maybe it's you who is too invested.
 

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I didn't say all of it. I said some of it. It's impossible to determine how much, but even at 50/50 split Ware never made more than 10m in his prime. It makes zero sense to go above that now.

It's really not that difficult of a question.

Either his base salaries were actually what you would expect them to be for a top notch player, or they weren't.

Quick question about signing bonuses. How are you even arriving at the conclusion that Ware was paid part of his bonus for his rookie deal?

Did Buffalo pay Mario Williams for some of the production he had in Houston?
 

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But not to the player and the contract?

This team did not make DeMarcus Ware into what he is. He made himself into what he is. He owes us nothing.

He owes us nothing?
The team and the fans have been very loyal to ware. Jerry stuck his neck out to get ware. Jerry gave him a nice extension. Jerry has fairly compensated him and the fans have been good to him here. To pay him 12mil at this point in his career is unreasonable and Dallas can't afford it. Ware doesn't care that Dallas needs to free up cap space to have a chance next season. He's gonna jump ship and still get 8mil from the cowboys, on top of whatever the skins would pay him.
Not only should he not consider the Commanders, he should take 7mil for 2014. Just get the deal done, show some decency/loyalty to the organization that puts money in your pocket and fans that want to see this team do well.

Then start next season with a chip on his shoulder knowing he's got something to prove.
That tactic proved effective with Doug Free.
 

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Yes.

A. He should go out and get as much as he can or
B. He can sign a decent deal for contender.

I don't know -- people talk about "playing for a contender" but there is so much parity in the NFL that it is hard to say - aside from New England - who is going to contend each year. Philly went from 4-12 to the NFC East champs. Detroit looked a couple of years ago to be a young, hot team for years to come. They've gone 13-23 since. Atlanta went from being the top team in the NFC to a 4-12 season.

For lots of players, it comes down to "the devil you know." We may not be seen as true contenders but Ware knows he is somewhere he is respected and appreciated, he knows the ownership loves him, and he likes the coaching staff. 31 teams in this league won't win the Super Bowl next year. Staying put in a good situation doesn't seem a terrible choice.
 

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You're the Moderator and you're telling me nobody cares what I think. Good job.

I'm a Mod but what does that have to do with "Nobody Cares?" Nobody does care. I mean, it's all over this board. Most fans are pretty clear on that. Offer him 6 or 7 million or cut him. End of story. You don't like it, howl at the fan base. That's the popular opinion, it would seem to me.

What's the big deal around this?
 

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I'm a Mod but what does that have to do with "Nobody Cares?" Nobody does care. I mean, it's all over this board. Most fans are pretty clear on that. Offer him 6 or 7 million or cut him. End of story. You don't like it, howl at the fan base. That's the popular opinion, it would seem to me.

What's the big deal around this?

Look, you quoted me and I responded. Then you say nobody cares what I think. If nobody cares then don't quote me and then insult me.
 

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I don't know -- people talk about "playing for a contender" but there is so much parity in the NFL that it is hard to say - aside from New England - who is going to contend each year. Philly went from 4-12 to the NFC East champs. Detroit looked a couple of years ago to be a young, hot team for years to come. They've gone 13-23 since. Atlanta went from being the top team in the NFC to a 4-12 season.

For lots of players, it comes down to "the devil you know." We may not be seen as true contenders but Ware knows he is somewhere he is respected and appreciated, he knows the ownership loves him, and he likes the coaching staff. 31 teams in this league won't win the Super Bowl next year. Staying put in a good situation doesn't seem a terrible choice.

He could improve his chances. Go to Seattle or even 49ers(although I think 49ers are the 90's packers that lose to cowboys - now, SeattleSeattle).
 

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He owes us nothing?
The team and the fans have been very loyal to ware. Jerry stuck his neck out to get ware. Jerry gave him a nice extension. Jerry has fairly compensated him and the fans have been good to him here. To pay him 12mil at this point in his career is unreasonable and Dallas can't afford it. Ware doesn't care that Dallas needs to free up cap space to have a chance next season. He's gonna jump ship and still get 8mil from the cowboys, on top of whatever the skins would pay him.
Not only should he not consider the Commanders, he should take 7mil for 2014. Just get the deal done, show some decency/loyalty to the organization that puts money in your pocket and fans that want to see this team do well.

Then start next season with a chip on his shoulder knowing he's got something to prove.
That tactic proved effective with Doug Free.

I don't agree with any of this. Ware is a HOF player and it's not because of anything Jerry did. He would have been that on any team he played for.

We owe him 12 million if we want to keep him. If not, then you roll the dice and see if you come up lucky. If not, then it is what it is.
 

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Look, you quoted me and I responded. Then you say nobody cares what I think. If nobody cares then don't quote me and then insult me.

I actually said nobody cares. However, if you want to take that personally, thats fine. That's on you.
 

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Players only take pay cuts when they feel that if they were going to go on the open market they could not sign with a team and end up making more money.

So let's say a player making $10 million a year is asked to take a pay-cut down to $8 million a year. If he doesn't take a pay-cut he will be released and make $5 million for that year based on the terms of his contract.

If the player thinks he can sign with another team and make at least $4 million (assuming he wants to make more money)...there's no reason for him to take the pay cut. He can go somewhere else and make $9 million ($5 million from the team that that released him + $4 million from his new team) instead of taking the pay-cut and dropping to $8 million.

This is essentially why Free took a while to take the pay cut. His agent was likely trying to get a feel for what Free would be worth if he hit the open market. After searching they found that he was going to make less money if he were released because no team would sign him and pay him enough. So he took the pay cut because that was his only option. Plus, we were pretty optimistic on Parnell replacing him.

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Maybe I am missing something, but if he doesn't have ant more guaranteed money coming, then he wouldn't get any more actual dollars from us. The cap hit we incur for releasing him isn't the same as us paying him more money.
 

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He could improve his chances. Go to Seattle or even 49ers(although I think 49ers are the 90's packers that lose to cowboys - now, SeattleSeattle).

Sure -- Seattle - maybe they'll give him Cliff Avril money. That'd be about half of his current deal. I expect Dallas would be happy to pay him that or more.
 

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I don't agree with any of this. Ware is a HOF player and it's not because of anything Jerry did. He would have been that on any team he played for.

We owe him 12 million if we want to keep him. If not, then you roll the dice and see if you come up lucky. If not, then it is what it is.

Maybe, but maybe not. Cant know for sure. If ware played his entire career in cleveland would he have such a great reputation around the league? Idk
I like to base my arguments on facts, not meaningless conjecture.
Fact is, jerry made ware a cowboy and compensated him fairly his entire HOF Career. Its safe to say jerry played a part in wares career to this point. He should be grateful to the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry made him a marquee player on the most visible team in the NFL.
12 mil is unreasonable. No team would pay him that, so why would he try to play hardball with the organization that has always done right by him. He should want to get a deal done at a fair price for the greater good of the organization.
 

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Maybe I am missing something, but if he doesn't have ant more guaranteed money coming, then he wouldn't get any more actual dollars from us. The cap hit we incur for releasing him isn't the same as us paying him more money.

I've been wondering that. So if we cut him, we don't have to pay him the 8mil? It's just dead money?
 

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Maybe I am missing something, but if he doesn't have ant more guaranteed money coming, then he wouldn't get any more actual dollars from us. The cap hit we incur for releasing him isn't the same as us paying him more money.

I was just using the numbers for an example. They're not Ware's numbers. My main point is that the reason why players take pay cuts is that they feel they can't go out in the open market and get essentially get more money than what the requested pay cut would pay.





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