Why would Ware take a pay cut?

[ABQCOWBOY]

He said he's not gonna take a pay cut, that's enough for me. He already ruled that out. But of course he's willing to restructure his deal, what a noble man. He's willing to cash in millions right now (bonuses) rather than wait for to be paid out during/after the season (salary). Gee, thanks!

When was that said?

 

[RW31]

When was that said?

DeMarcus Ware wants to clarify comments he made in the wake of the team’s season ending loss to Philadelphia.

Yes, the veteran defensive end is willing to restructure his contract when the club comes to him this off-season. He did not say he will take a pay cut.

“No, I didn’t say that,” Ware said Monday afternoon at Valley Ranch. “I said I will do whatever I need to do to maneuver some things around to help the team out. I’m for that. It’s nothing new to me.

“But pay cut and restructure are two different things. You hear what I’m saying. Clar-i-fy.”

Screw him. Based on his play he's not worth that kind of money and he knows it but of course he doesn't care. He still wants that money, whether it's here or elsewhere and I don't have any respect for that kind of attitude.

 

[Hoofbite]

He said he's not gonna take a pay cut, that's enough for me. He already ruled that out. But of course he's willing to restructure his deal, what a noble man. He's willing to cash in millions right now (bonuses) rather than wait for to be paid out during/after the season (salary). Gee, thanks!

Go figure. Guys trying to get paid what the team said they would pay him. What a scumbag.

 

[Hoofbite]

Screw him. Based on his play he's not worth that kind of money and he knows it but of course he doesn't care. He still wants that money, whether it's here or elsewhere and I don't have any respect for that kind of attitude.

Based on his play he should have been paid more over the previous seasons where 15.5 and 19 sacks were coming in. Don't suppose you advocated for a raise for him, did you?

 

[RW31]

Go figure. Guys trying to get paid what the team said they would pay him. What a scumbag.

Again, Suggs is a way better player, he was in a similar position (drafted by Ravens, age, salary etc) and he took a paycut to remain with the Ravens and retire a Raven. If all Ware cares about is money then get rid of him, we don't need him. He barely showed up last season. The little we saw of him can be easily replaced by someone else that makes less than half of what Ware would make here.

 

[Prossman]

Allot of it is posturing right now. Ware is not going to make 12-16 million on the open market. Sure he would rather restructure and push money back and get more upfront. Dallas will probably do this , one last time to see if ware can return to form. Selvie was as effective partially because of ware and hatcher. Remove those two and you will qucikly see why selive was watching tv when we called him.

 

[Alexander]

Allot of it is posturing right now. Ware is not going to make 12-16 million on the open market. Sure he would rather restructure and push money back and get more upfront. Dallas will probably do this , one last time to see if ware can return to form. Selvie was as effective partially because of ware and hatcher. Remove those two and you will qucikly see why selive was watching tv when we called him.

You are short changing Selvie in a way. Ware and Hatcher would have very little to do with him as they played on the opposite side of the line.

Selvie had the handicap of playing next to a nose tackle like Hayden, who is about as mediocre as you get.

He is not a special player, but he did give more effort than we have seen at times from far more talented players in Dallas. He also played with injuries, just as Hatcher and Ware did, you just did not hear about them as much.

Having him as a reserve is not a bad thing.

 

[Bullflop]

But doesn't Danny Boy like signing used up players? Weren't the Skins owned by Snyder when they signed Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders and both were a shell of their former selves?

Well, if Danny Boy Snyder signs Ware and he turns out to be a shell of his former self, I suspect we'll all get a kick out of that. On the other side of the coin, if he were to sign him and he turned out to be the fella he once was, no doubt, it won't be a laughing matter. Nothing's for sure here.

 

[dfense]

His dead money figure will be ~8 million if they cut him, right? Meaning if they sign a scrub like Selive 750k - 1 million, they are putting in at least 9 million to replace him. He has quite a bit of leverage, in that regard.

If you're say, the Saints. Do you want to pay a guy who's been chronically hurt for the last two seasons, 5-7 million for what? 6 sacks.

Selvie had as many.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Screw him. Based on his play he's not worth that kind of money and he knows it but of course he doesn't care. He still wants that money, whether it's here or elsewhere and I don't have any respect for that kind of attitude.

So then your answer is no, you don't know what Ware has actually said. Cool, I figured that was probably the case.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, Suggs is a way better player, he was in a similar position (drafted by Ravens, age, salary etc) and he took a paycut to remain with the Ravens and retire a Raven. If all Ware cares about is money then get rid of him, we don't need him. He barely showed up last season. The little we saw of him can be easily replaced by someone else that makes less than half of what Ware would make here.

This is not true. Ware is easily the better player and that's not even debatable. In two fewer seasons played, Ware has 22.5 more sacks, 28 fewer tackles (although Ware does have 34 more solo tackles), 21 more forced fumbles.

You need to stop now. What you are now doing is simply saying stuff that is with no bases and untrue. Lets just agree to disagree.

 

[RW31]

This is not true. Ware is easily the better player and that's not even debatable. In two fewer seasons played, Ware has 22.5 more sacks, 28 fewer tackles (although Ware does have 34 more solo tackles), 21 more forced fumbles.

You need to stop now. What you are now doing is simply saying stuff that is with no bases and untrue. Lets just agree to disagree.

Suggs won DPOY. He also had a way better season last year. Stop being such a homer. Suggs is a complete linebacker, Ware is more of a pass rusher. Stop cherry picking those stats, we know he has more sacks, that doesn't make him a better player...

Either way, I hope he's gone if he's not willing to take a paycut which he already ruled out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Suggs won DPOY. He also had a way better season last year. Stop being such a homer. Suggs is a complete linebacker, Ware is more of a pass rusher. Stop cherry picking those stats, we know he has more sacks, that doesn't make him a better player...

Either way, I hope he's gone if he's not willing to take a paycut which he already ruled out.

That's one year. Come on. You wanna call somebody a homer, you better look at yourself. There is no way Suggs is a better player. Just look at the production Ware has in two fewer seasons, posted much better production and it's not just Sacks. Look at the tackle production. In two more years, Suggs only has 28 more tackles then Ware and the true number, which is solo tackles, Ware actually has 34 more in two fewer seasons. What other statistics do you want to look at? Your statement about Suggs being a more complete LB is just more BS. He is not and never was. I've watched Suggs since his playing days Arizona State. He has never been a more complete LB but hey, if that's your opinion, then that's fine. There is no proof of that statement but that's your opinion on it and that's OK. It's just not mine.

 

[RW31]

That's one year. Come on. You wanna call somebody a homer, you better look at yourself. There is no way Suggs is a better player. Just look at the production Ware has in two fewer seasons, posted much better production and it's not just Sacks. Look at the tackle production. In two more years, Suggs only has 28 more tackles then Ware and the true number, which is solo tackles, Ware actually has 34 more in two fewer seasons. What other statistics do you want to look at? Your statement about Suggs being a more complete LB is just more BS. He is not and never was. I've watched Suggs since his playing days Arizona State. He has never been a more complete LB but hey, if that's your opinion, then that's fine. There is no proof of that statement but that's your opinion on it and that's OK. It's just not mine.

How am I a homer when I'm the one saying Suggs is the better player of the two? That doesn't make any sense. And I don't care about your statistics, anybody that watches these two play would agree that Suggs is the better player. Ware is nothing without his pass rush, and last season that was exactly the case. Suggs is a stud run defender on top of being a stud pass rusher. Whatever, I could care less if you agree or not. My point is that Ware needs to be gone if he doesn't agree to take a paycut. Sooner or later we'd have to cut him anyway, might as well get it over with.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How am I a homer when I'm the one saying Suggs is the better player of the two? That doesn't make any sense. And I don't care about your statistics, anybody that watches these two play would agree that Suggs is the better player. Ware is nothing without his pass rush, and last season that was exactly the case. Suggs is a stud run defender on top of being a stud pass rusher. Whatever, I could care less if you agree or not. My point is that Ware needs to be gone if he doesn't agree to take a paycut. Sooner or later we'd have to cut him anyway, might as well get it over with.

You are being a homer for Suggs. The numbers do not lie. Suggs has played on much better defensive units, with the advantage of players like Ngata and Ray Lewis and Sam Adams and Ed Reed and yet, Ware has posted better numbers with nobody of that caliber beside him and you still insist that Suggs is the better player?

Nope. Stats don't support your argument.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, if Danny Boy Snyder signs Ware and he turns out to be a shell of his former self, I suspect we'll all get a kick out of that. On the other side of the coin, if he were to sign him and he turned out to be the fella he once was, no doubt, it won't be a laughing matter. Nothing's for sure here.

True. We'll just have to see how it plays out.

 

[Prossman]

You are short changing Selvie in a way. Ware and Hatcher would have very little to do with him as they played on the opposite side of the line.

Selvie had the handicap of playing next to a nose tackle like Hayden, who is about as mediocre as you get.

He is not a special player, but he did give more effort than we have seen at times from far more talented players in Dallas. He also played with injuries, just as Hatcher and Ware did, you just did not hear about them as much.

Having him as a reserve is not a bad thing.

Not down on selvie but don't want to count on him as a starter. The boys have a issue with over valuing talent at times. I don't want them playing around with the dline. Get it fixed

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Suggs is not better than Ware. Try another argument. Suggs might be better going forward because he hasn't had the same injury issues. But for their careers, Ware has been the better player.