Will anyone stand up to this man?

[Hoods]

Hey, I'm looking to hire someone. Would you like to work for me? Of course, if you do something I don't agree with, I will slap your head 'till it spins. Also, if I promote you to supervisor, don't be surprised if I put one of my 10 1/2s straight up your butt right in front of your subordinates if you disappoint me in any way. After all, you screw up, you deserve to be humiliated in front of the entire team, if need be.

There are getting to be way too many jerks like you who laugh when they see another person being humiliated by someone they've elevated to God-like status, but would file a million dollar law suit if that same person so much as looked at you the wrong way.

What a joke!

Pay me 10 million dollars to play a game and you can call and "humiliate" me whatever and however you want. This is football. Since when are cussing; intimidating coaches a new thing? Jesus christ.

People complain because they're making all these bs rules ala the Roy Williams rule. "They should just tell the offense to wear dresses." I guess this dress wearing stuff is starting to rub onto some of you.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

A quote from his news conference today:
"What did Todd Haley do to upset you?
We got a memo from the league about conduct towards officials with the official getting punched. We’ve also have two other players in the league ejected for language to officials. So I read it to the coaches and players, and told them I would be the one who talks to the officials. So I told him to stop, and he didn't. So I had to have a little talk with him. That’s the genesis of all that."

Let me translate:

"We got a memo from the league about conduct towards officials with the official getting punched...... so, I punched Todd Haley to tell him to stop mistreating officials."

I don't care what anyone says:

1. The media is intimidated by Parcells. I can't believe he got off so easy on this one.

2. His conduct on the sidelines is without excuse.

When will someone hold this coach accountable on something instead of bow low in his presence constantly?

He should not have been in that huddle with Parcells in the Refs.

But...

You are right. I dont think even Tom Landry got as much as a pass as this guy.

If all these 4th Quarter meltdowns and blown leads that has happened this year and some last year happened and Campo was the coach, you would be hearing rumors about Jerry flying on his Private Jet to secret meetings with possible new head coaches.

Nobody in the media, besides maybe JJT, Randy Galloway (who I cant stand) and the Hardline will say anything about Bill.

With that being said, I am still glad he is our Coach .

 

[tyke1doe]

Oh, I see. When someone doesn't agree with you, it's rationalization.

No.

Clearly, Bill Parcells punch the guy. Okay, you don't like punch, assuming you interpret a punch as making knuckle contact. Parcells hit Haley. Is that better?

Anyone with eyes can see this was no ordinary love tap. Parcells swung at the guy. Actually he used a weak hammer fist move, which I've employed before. I know what a punch is.

That's not rationalization. That's observation.

I've rarely seen anyone try to punch a guy with two arms, except maybe when they were drunk.

What are you talking about?

You can punch with two hands or one.

Great analogy with Rodney King, seeing it was like 6v1 and the guys battered him with night sticks multiple times. And you're talking about rationalization?

Do you even follow linear logic?

The point of my analogy was not to compare what Parcells did to what the LA PD did to Rodney King. My point is that even in the face of a video tape, some people will argue that the police didn't beat Rodney King all that bad just as some will argue Parcells didn't punch Haley.

I don't think BP's "punch" as you call it was anything but "get the hell back, I've already told you once," and I don't think Haley thinks otherwise either.

This is why you need to read and comprehend before you respond.

First you say, "I don't think" then you acknowledge that Parcells did something though you don't want to call it a "punch" then you minimize or attempt to change the definition of "punch" because of intent.

Regardless of the intent, Parcells punched Haley.

Both a doctor and a mugger cut. But the difference in the intent doesn't change the action itself. Same situation.

And please don't come back scolding me because I compare what a doctor does to what a mugger does, then I'll really know you have no respect for context and appropriate, applied logic.

 

[Awakened]

I'm sorry, I don't buy into your mindset at all. You can fling your arms around and punch unimportant people? Listen, I'm 100% for disciplinarian type coaches. Loved Jimmy Johnson. Even have an affinity for Bobby Knight kind of basketball. But I can't excuse Knight's behavior when he punches kids and flings chairs, and I can't excuse Bill Parcells when he wheels around and makes a coach throw his hands up to protect his face because he doesn't know if he is being punched. And what I really can't stomach is a weak media group who won't ever dare ask him a really tough question.

I agree with you.

 

[MikeD17]

if were going to be a high scoring offense, we must be able to run for touchdowns inside the redzone.

i have no problem at all running there.

 

[SultanOfSix]

No.

Clearly, Bill Parcells punch the guy. Okay, you don't like punch, assuming you interpret a punch as making knuckle contact. Parcells hit Haley. Is that better?

I don't think he "clearly" did. You're welcome to think so, but don't tell me what I think. It appeared to me that he pushed and swung both his arms out - a sort of hybrid as someone mentioned in another thread - such that he was telling him to get back in a more forceful manner because he didn't do so the first time when he simply told him.

Anyone with eyes can see this was no ordinary love tap.

Who said what he did had "friendly" implications? That's irrelevant.

That's not rationalization. That's observation.

Parcells swung at the guy. Actually he used a weak hammer fist move, which I've employed before. I know what a punch is.

Yes, I know. But it's your observation, not mine.

And I never said "that" was a rationalization.

What are you talking about?

You can punch with two hands or one.

I guess so. Most people shove with two arms, but you can shove with one. Just like most people punch with one arm, I guess you can punch with two.

Do you even follow linear logic?

The point of my analogy was not to compare what Parcells did to what the LA PD did to Rodney King. My point is that even in the face of a video tape, some people will argue that the police didn't beat Rodney King all that bad just as some will argue Parcells didn't punch Haley.

This is why you need to read and comprehend before you respond.

Your point was to show "it was obvious it was a punch" just like "it was obvious that Rodney King got beat", and anybody who looks at the video tape can see that except people who are rationalizing. I know what your point was.

First you say, "I don't think" then you acknowledge that Parcells did something though you don't want to call it a "punch" then you minimize or attempt to change the definition of "punch" because of intent.

I guess you've never heard the phrase "I don't think" reflecting both certainty or uncertainty. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because there is no standard for verbal inflection of text over the internet reflecting such an emphasis. And I minimized nothing with respect to intent, nor did I try to change the definition of anything. It was my explanation of what he was trying to do. Do you disagree with what he was trying to do?

Regardless of the intent, Parcells punched Haley.

Both a doctor and a mugger cut. But the difference in the intent doesn't change the action itself. Same situation.

And please don't come back scolding me because I compare what a doctor does to what a mugger does, then I'll really know you have no respect for context and appropriate, applied logic.

I'm well aware of logic, thank you.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Yes and almost the same sort of situation. Coach Landry didn't initiate it, Ditka did but Ditka wouldn't back off so Tom gave him a push and sent him to the bench with a bit of animated language. Now, this was some odd thirty years ago so I can't say I remember every detail but I do remember the incident.

Your absolutely correct Landry did have to lay the law down to Mike Ditka several times, but I remember the incident you are talking about. I can't remember the exact game or even the opponent, but I remember Landry was having a animated talk with the officals and Ditka came up beside Landry and was talking (shouting) at a offical. Landry at first just put his arm out without even looking and tried pushing Ditka away, when Ditka didn't backoff Landry then turned around grab Ditka by the arm turned him and pushed him toward the bench. Landry was also shouting at Ditka and later he cornered Ditka and had a oneway conversation with him.

This is the perfect example of much to do about nothing, especially in light of the NFL letter about the conduct toward officals. There is only one person that should argue with the referee and that is the head coach.......

 

[tunazboyz]

One other thought. More than even what he did is WHY DOESN'T ANYONE CHALLENGE HIM ON THE RIGHTNESS OF IT?

I would have loved to have heard the question today.

"Coach do you think your conduct toward Haley on the sideline is proper for a head coach?"

Would have loved to have heard his answer, but no one has the guts to ask it.

It was embarrassing to say the least but like another member said, he had every right to be pissed with the way that game was going and if a rule was already in place that he'd be the ONLY one talking to officials I agree that Todd should've kept his azz away from the conversation. Heat of the moment and he's probably already apologized for doing it on TV. Over with!

 

[Future]

I'm sorry, I don't buy into your mindset at all. You can fling your arms around and punch unimportant people? Listen, I'm 100% for disciplinarian type coaches. Loved Jimmy Johnson. Even have an affinity for Bobby Knight kind of basketball. But I can't excuse Knight's behavior when he punches kids and flings chairs, and I can't excuse Bill Parcells when he wheels around and makes a coach throw his hands up to protect his face because he doesn't know if he is being punched. And what I really can't stomach is a weak media group who won't ever dare ask him a really tough question.

This is probably my fault, but thats not what i meant. I meant that it wasn't a big media fiasco because of who it was. I don't condone hitting/pushing another coach for Parcells, but im saying that had it been someoboyd more significant it would have been bigger in the media.

 

[Doomsday101]

A quote from his news conference today:
"What did Todd Haley do to upset you?
We got a memo from the league about conduct towards officials with the official getting punched. We’ve also have two other players in the league ejected for language to officials. So I read it to the coaches and players, and told them I would be the one who talks to the officials. So I told him to stop, and he didn't. So I had to have a little talk with him. That’s the genesis of all that."

Let me translate:

"We got a memo from the league about conduct towards officials with the official getting punched...... so, I punched Todd Haley to tell him to stop mistreating officials."

I don't care what anyone says:

1. The media is intimidated by Parcells. I can't believe he got off so easy on this one.

2. His conduct on the sidelines is without excuse.

When will someone hold this coach accountable on something instead of bow low in his presence constantly?

I don't think this a big deal as much as you would like it to be. Plain and simple Bill has told his staff he is the only one who will deal with the ref NO ONE else. Haley like some players need to pay attention to what Bill is telling them

 

[rcaldw]

Tell me about it. Hilarious comment, and so true. You might wanna check out a WNBA forum RCaldw I think that will fit your personality a LOT better.

Listen, this is the 3rd personal insult you have thrown my way, and I ignored the first two. You do it again, and I'll copy your comments and send them on to the moderators. As I remember we are not to get into personal insults as we discuss our views. It really doesn't take much brain power to do that on any of our parts. You do it a 4th time, and if you are standing near me I'll see if you REALLY agree with how Parcells deals with things. In the mean time, please put me on your ignore list like you promised to do on page 1, I think it was, otherwise YOU can go check out the WNBA page as it seems to be your personality that can't handle Parcells being criticized. You obviously don't have any substance to your arguments which is why 3 times now you have just resorted to name calling.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think he "clearly" did. You're welcome to think so, but don't tell me what I think. It appeared to me that he pushed and swung both his arms out - a sort of hybrid as someone mentioned in another thread - such that he was telling him to get back in a more forceful manner because he didn't do so the first time when he simply told him.

I'm not telling you what to think. I'm telling you what occurred. Now, you're welcomed to think what you want, but when we measure things objectively, Parcells struck Haley. There are no two ways about it. That wasn't a push, it was a swing. And if you don't know the difference between a push than a swing, maybe you need to reevaluate your perspective.

I'm dealing with observation not just perspective or what I think.

Who said what he did had "friendly" implications? That's irrelevant.

Well, you seem to have mentioned "intent" which I think is also irrelevant to whether he struck Haley.

Yes, I know. But it's your observation, not mine.

That's true. And that's why I question whether you actually know what you're talking about. You meander around trying to fish for words to justify what Parcells did. I'm simply stating that he struck/punched Haley. I saw the incident several times. That was what happened regardless what Parcells apologists want to say.

Your point was to show "it was obvious it was a punch" just like "it was obvious that Rodney King got beat", and anybody who looks at the video tape can see that except people who are rationalizing. I know what your point was.

Obviously, you don't. Otherwise you would have understood the context of the statement.

I guess you've never heard the phrase "I don't think" reflecting both certainty or uncertainty. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because there is no standard for verbal inflection of text over the internet reflecting such an emphasis. And I minimized nothing with respect to intent, nor did I try to change the definition of anything. It was my explanation of what he was trying to do. Do you disagree with what he was trying to do?

I don't disagree with what he was trying to do. I just don't think he should have struck Haley like he did. Intent's got nothing to do with it. It looked bad, which is why it became a big deal. If he had shouted, "Get Back" or "cussed" him like he normally does, I don't think anyone would have said much.
But in light of the Bryant towel-throwing incident, some wonder whether the head coach himself is losing it when he strikes an assistant and whether he should have exercised more control the same way we thought Bryant should have.

I'm well aware of logic, thank you.

I see you didn't employ a "I think I'm aware" ...

Enough. I think you understand my point. If I was a little harsh on the "logic" pont forgive me. I just don't see how anyone can say Bill didn't strike him or punch him. I mean it's clear to me. Whether it was injurious or whether he had the proper intent is beside the point, IMO.

 

[Hiero]

I've already discussed my views on the issue. Its a NON issue. Yet you keep making something out of nothing.

Listen, this is the 3rd personal insult you have thrown my way, and I ignored the first two. You do it again, and I'll copy your comments and send them on to the moderators. As I remember we are not to get into personal insults as we discuss our views. It really doesn't take much brain power to do that on any of our parts. You do it a 4th time, and if you are standing near me I'll see if you REALLY agree with how Parcells deals with things. In the mean time, please put me on your ignore list like you promised to do on page 1, I think it was, otherwise YOU can go check out the WNBA page as it seems to be your personality that can't handle Parcells being criticized. You obviously don't have any substance to your arguments which is why 3 times now you have just resorted to name calling.

 

[Om]

Came here looking to understand what exactly was involved in this thing. I haven't seen anything remotely resembling that since Buddy Ryan nicked Kevin McBride's chin with a straight right about 15 years ago.

From the highlights only, Parcells behavior on Sunday looked kinda bizarre. I do understand the sentiment that it was/is just competitiveness and all, but I have to wonder if the cameras had caught say Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, or for that matter Joe Gibbs, shoving/hitting an assistant, then later staring down and gesturing at a sideline camera, folks might not be so understanding. That they might start to wonder if maybe he hasn't kind of lost his focus just a little?

Be honestly interested to know what the level heads here think.

 

[rcaldw]

I've already discussed my views on the issue. Its a NON issue. Yet you keep making something out of nothing.

Hiero, do you hear yourself? What? You commented on the issue, so stop the thread? Lots of people have commented on the issue in this thread. Its a point for fair debate. I've already stated, I don't think its something Parcells should get in big trouble about, I'm saying that I'm tired of the free pass he gets on EVERYTHING. And I think any objective person can at least agree to that point? Does the media ever really get on Parcells case? No. Whether you think it was a punch, swing, violent push, or however you want to put it, don't you think it deserves a PROBING question the next day? The Dallas media barely broached the subject. I, personally, don't think it is appropriate behavior. I know it is a man's game. I played the game. I love the game. It is a violent, emotional, fire in the belly kind of game, which is why it is my favorite game. But a head coach HAS to keep his cool when no one else does. I didn't think his reaction to Haley reflects that kind of control. That is just me. If someone sees it differently, fair enough. BUT WHERE ARE THE TOUGH QUESTIONS FROM THE MEDIA? I just never see it or hear it. I see people come into his press conferences like lambs and laugh a lot. I think someone may have hit it on the head earlier when they said that they know he will shut them out. Maybe indeed that is the answer.

 

[Waffle]

BUT WHERE ARE THE TOUGH QUESTIONS FROM THE MEDIA? I just never see it or hear it.

Dale Hansen should be your man, but he's too afraid to even get near Parcells. He'd rather rip him behind his back or complain on radio about the lack of "access" Parcells allows. Sorry, but that's about all you're going to get.

 

[rcaldw]

Dale Hansen should be your man, but he's too afraid to even get near Parcells. He'd rather rip him behind his back or complain on radio about the lack of "access" Parcells allows. Sorry, but that's about all you're going to get.

I think you are right Waff. And I also agree that Hansen shouldn't rip him behind his back. If you are going to criticize the man, attend the press conferences, ask questions, make him demonstrate he is closing you out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Came here looking to understand what exactly was involved in this thing. I haven't seen anything remotely resembling that since Buddy Ryan nicked Kevin McBride's chin with a straight right about 15 years ago.

From the highlights only, Parcells behavior on Sunday looked kinda bizarre. I do understand the sentiment that it was/is just competitiveness and all, but I have to wonder if the cameras had caught say Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, or for that matter Joe Gibbs, shoving/hitting an assistant, then later staring down and gesturing at a sideline camera, folks might not be so understanding. That they might start to wonder if maybe he hasn't kind of lost his focus just a little?

Be honestly interested to know what the level heads here think.

Hey Om,

Stirring the pot? Can't ever have too much of that.

In the end, it is what it is. No harm was done. No cracks in the foundation. That's Parcells and it has been since the time he's been in the league. Is it good, is it bad? I don't think it's either. I think it's Bill Parcells.

 

[Om]

Hey Om,

Stirring the pot? Can't ever have too much of that.

In the end, it is what it is. No harm was done. No cracks in the foundation. That's Parcells and it has been since the time he's been in the league. Is it good, is it bad? I don't think it's either. I think it's Bill Parcells.

You tell me, just how SHOULD I have asked this question without someone assuming I was just stirring the pot? Put the shoe on the other foot: you catch highlights of Gibbs, arguing with an official then turning around and shoving/hitting Don Breaux ... then, later, is caught staring down and gesturing at the sideline camera later in the game.

What would you think?

 

[SultanOfSix]

I'm not telling you what to think. I'm telling you what occurred. Now, you're welcomed to think what you want, but when we measure things objectively, Parcells struck Haley. There are no two ways about it. That wasn't a push, it was a swing. And if you don't know the difference between a push than a swing, maybe you need to reevaluate your perspective.

I'm dealing with observation not just perspective or what I think.

That's your opinion. I really don't care whether you think your interepretation is the objective interpretation and mine is a subjective or rationalized one because I'll think exactly the opposite. I know the difference between punching and someone flailing their arms trying to push someone back because I've done exactly the same thing. I'm not an apologist because I frankly don't care if he punched him or pushed him or whatever. I think the press would make a big deal regardless, and it's not like Bill Parcells has done this multiple times such that it is a pattern with him.

Obviously, you don't. Otherwise you would have understood the context of the statement.

Obviously I do. You stated Rodney King as a point of emphasis to compare that Rodney King's beating was as obvious as Bill Parcell's punching, and that if you don't see it that way, you're rationalizing. I know exactly what you were trying to do.