Will Dez ever be elite again?

[KJJ]

The bottom line could be that he won't produce as well with either as he has historically has.

He has a better chance of producing with Romo with all the years they had working together and Romo will throw jump balls to him. Dak has already said he's going to throw to the open receiver.

 

[KJJ]

The other receivers seem to be doing pretty well with Dak. Why do you think, comparatively speaking, Dez is playing so much worse than the other receivers on the team?

The other receivers are getting open primarily Beasley and Witten, they're able to separate. The 3 games Dez was out didn't help the chemistry between him and Dak. Dez seems to only know one or two routes. Defenders always seem to be around Dez to challenge him for the ball. Just look how open Witten can get despite his lack of speed.

 

[Section446]

He never was elite, and no, he'll never get back to what he was. He's just not a very good WR, he might be a good athlete, but he has the brain of a 12 year old.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You made the claim you have to fetch it, the burden of proof is on you! lol

Nope.

You said it, you own it.

 

[romothesavior]

Why is this concept so hard to understand. We have so much talent on Offense that's its impossible for everyone to put up stellar performances every week. You guys keep comparing Dez to Julio and Aj green numbers but you fail to realize both of their offense run through them. Our offense starts with the running game. It's like expecting Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson to still average their same numbers even though they added Durant to the equation

Why is the concept of completions : targets ratio so hard to understand?

Even if his overall numbers are down and can be explained away as you suggest, the fact that he is one of the worst in the league at catching balls thrown to him is very, very troubling.

 

[romothesavior]

He never was elite, and no, he'll never get back to what he was. He's just not a very good WR, he might be a good athlete, but he has the brain of a 12 year old.

Dez was a TD machine for a couple of years. Definitely elite by any reasonable definition.

Now? No way. Hard to call a guy performing at this level "elite."

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Why is the concept of completions : targets ratio so hard to understand?

Even if his overall numbers are down and can be explained away as you suggest, the fact that he is one of the worst in the league at catching balls thrown to him is very, very troubling.

Why do you assume a poor completions-to-targets ratio is strictly the result of a receiver not playing well?

 

[Section446]

Dez was a TD machine for a couple of years. Definitely elite by any reasonable definition.

Now? No way. Hard to call a guy performing at this level "elite."

Even in his best years, he'd drop balls that guys like Jones and Megatron would catch without thinking. Again, good athlete, but it's pretty clear that he's not a good WR.

 

[Section446]

Why do you assume a poor completions-to-targets ratio is strictly the result of a receiver not playing well?

Because the guy is dropping balls hitting him in the hands.

 

[KJJ]

Nope.

You said it, you own it.

I never said it and challenged you to an avatar bet to prove it and you won't take the bet because you lied. lol I've been on the Dak bandwagon ever since PRESEASON. There's not many on this board that's been more excited about Dak than me. I'm credible and you're not...FACT!

 

[Risen Star]

He never was elite, and no, he'll never get back to what he was. He's just not a very good WR, he might be a good athlete, but he has the brain of a 12 year old.

Bathe in this man's truth.

 

[romothesavior]

Why do you assume a poor completions-to-targets ratio is strictly the result of a receiver not playing well?

I never assumed it was "strictly" the result of a receiver not playing well.

But we're not talking about a single game, we're talking about a trend over the past two seasons. I think it's fair to say that Dez is not getting it done lately based on a fairly large sample size.

 

[AKATheRake]

Dez dropped a couple he usually would catch today.

He's getting more practice in with the offense and Hayden did get into his head early on.

I think he'll learn from this and keep his head focused the next game.

Teams are packing up the box and trying to take Dez out of the game at the same time.

That's why Witten and Beasley are having more opportunity to eat it up this year.

They can't always pack the box when we still convert so Zeke is going to be productive.

Dak did a good job getting the ball where the opportunities were today.

 

[KJJ]

Dez was a TD machine for a couple of years. Definitely elite by any reasonable definition.

Now? No way. Hard to call a guy performing at this level "elite."

He was a TD machine for 3 years from 2012 to 2014. No receiver in the league caught more TD's than him over that period.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I can definitely see why you guys hate this selfish player.

 

[mattjames2010]

Dez was a TD machine for a couple of years. Definitely elite by any reasonable definition.

Now? No way. Hard to call a guy performing at this level "elite."

And you CONTINUE to ignore IF the balls were catchable or not. You get this factors in right?

You are over and over and over again ignoring any explanation behind the statistics and just going with the raw numbers show so it can fit your narrative.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I never assumed it was "strictly" the result of a receiver not playing well.

But we're not talking about a single game, we're talking about a trend over the past two seasons. I think it's fair to say that Dez is not getting it done lately based on a fairly large sample size.

Last year he missed significant amount of games, pushed it and came back, but was clearly playing on a bum foot. Beyond that, he played with Cassel, Weeden, and Moore the majority of the time when he was playing. Yet none of that is apparently a factor?

I don't get how folks want to look at a stat sheet in a vacuum without any context.

 

[mattjames2010]

I never assumed it was "strictly" the result of a receiver not playing well.

But we're not talking about a single game, we're talking about a trend over the past two seasons. I think it's fair to say that Dez is not getting it done lately based on a fairly large sample size.

This "string" over the past two seasons? He's been dealing with scrubs and a rookie. Dez doesn't run scrub QB friendly routes. He's a big play threat. Why do you think Williams also disappeared at times? Not to mention, Dez was dealing with an injury.

We have all seen what Dez has been dealing with this season. Giants game, Dak was shaky at best. Had 100 yards against the Commanders, had over 40 yards for a TD, came back and had 100 yards against the Eagles. And today, we saw the PI's and Dak missing him.

So I'm not seeing exactly what the problem is here. If he has a string of 1-2 reception games, then we can talk.

 

[Cowboy-Down-Under]

Did anyone see the route that Dez basically jogged down the sidelines in the 1st Half, Dak was targeting him as the first read but pulled it in when he saw Dez not running the route, that wont help the chemistry and Dak is running the offense nad I don't think he has a problem telling people. So if Dez doesn't go 100% every route he will never build the trust with Dak. I think Dez has to get in his head the offense doesn't revolve around him and that he is not the best player on the team and just needs to go 100% every down. I only got to watch redzone so didn't hear any comments on the play or saw anything else.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This "string" over the past two seasons? He's been dealing with scrubs and a rookie. Dez doesn't run scrub QB friendly routes. He's a big play threat. Why do you think Williams also disappeared at times? Not to mention, Dez was dealing with an injury.

We have all seen what Dez has been dealing with this season. Giants game, Dak was shaky at best. Had 100 yards against the Commanders, had over 40 yards for a TD, came back and had 100 yards against the Eagles. And today, we saw the PI's and Dak missing him.

So I'm not seeing exactly what the problem is here. If he has a string of 1-2 reception games, then we can talk.

Exactly.

Why isn't anyone crapping over Witten's craptastic season last year too then?