Will Dez ever be elite again?

[StarBoyz83]

He may not be elite but he's a weapon and makes defenses double him. He still gets his from time to time. Still love dez. Got bease an easy to today.

 

[toto1939]

Dak was only 21-27 today. I know the Romonians will say that if Romo had been throwing the ball to Dez, the QB would have been 26 out of 27 today. Also, the Romonians will discount Dak's TD passes today since it isn't fair that the receivers he chose to throw the ball to in the endzone were open by 10+ yards.

 

[bayeslife]

Lol did you guys forget how Beasley got so wide open? Dez still dictates coverage schemes

 

[bounce]

By and large, the production of a WR -- elite to practice squad member -- is determined by the level of quality of play by the QB. When Roethlisberger is out, or off, Antonio Brown's numbers fall off a cliff. Hopkins has disappeared with bad QB play. So has Demaryius Thomas. When Ryan is bad, Jones doesn't produce. Brandon Marshall's numbers are way down with bad QB play. Beckham's are bad. Robinson's numbers are down when Bortles plays bad. Have all those guys fallen from the ranks of elite?

Dak is winning games, yes, but he's not lighting the world on fire statistically, so the guys whose numbers are directly dependent on him will suffer. Fantasy football is fun, but it's definitely exposed people who aren't able to separate FF knowledge from football knowledge.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I asked you several days ago if you had it to do all over again would you draft Zeke and use the 4th overall pick on another position and you didn't respond. It's in the Rant Zone in the thread titled "Drafting Zeke was football stupid." lol You argued in August we should have stayed with McFadden and used the 4th overall pick on another position. True or false?

False.

I've maintained (as others have) that as a matter of principal, I don't think taking a RB at #4 overall is the most prudent move, especially when no other position has proven historically (over and over) that you can get quality, productive RBs elsewhere (including later in the 1st round and even undrafted rookie FAs) in the draft.

In your simple-mind, you can't process that nuanced thought, having to put things into easy to understand categories, which is why you falsely claim "well, that means you think McFadden is a great RB!"

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm not worried about him at this juncture other than the injuries. He still has the burst and explosion off the LoS. He's still getting separation. He was getting separation all game long against the Eagles, should have had 200 yards receiving if Dak wasn't playing poorly, and had a big game. Today, had 2 'drops', both coming off instances where he was held by the Browns defender. I wouldn't be surprised if All-22 shows him being doubled deep by the Browns...trying to take him away.

I would worry if the separation wasn't there or he was continually dropping passes that were fairly easy to make. I'd still like to see a legit deep threat beside him to make defenses pay if they bracket him deep.





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[Cmac]

Why pick on Dez.....the team is 8-1.

 

[T-RO]

But a lot of aspects of his game are average at best. His production has been woeful since he got his contract. I don't understand how saying this is controversial (or worse, some grave offense) to a lot of fans.

Some fans don't want any players criticized...especially after a win. I can understand that.

And we all our favorites...players we get particularly attached to.

 

[Verdict]

Here is as fair and impartial as I personally can be as it pertains to Dez.

1. I am not personally for or against trading Dez.

2. Dez is not worthless. Dez is good enough that he draws attention from other teams defenses, so there is value in that.

3. He is still capable of making great plays, but we haven't seen many this year.

4. Last week the offense faltered when we forced the ball to Dez. This week Dak didn't force the ball and I do not think it was coincidental that the offense had less stalled drives.

5. Dez was taking plays off today. The coaches got on him about it. That's not picking on Dez. That is factual. He is one of the highest paid players on the team, supposed to be a team leader and one of the highest paid receivers in the game. I expect more out of him. That is piss poor.

6. Dez isn't a cancer in the same sort of vein that T. O. was so that's not really fair to him. He wants the Cowboys to win even when he isn't having a great game. But he does appear to be a weak minded whiny ***** when a call doesn't go his way.

7. He situational awareness isn't great in that he has allowed catches to be ruled as non catches in critical situations because he was going for the big play. He has very little football IQ.

8. He has been a lazy route runner in learning his routes historically and that has held him back. The ****** effort today was an extension of that.


9. If Dez is going to be on a team you need a strong minded QB who can tune him out because he begs for the ball etc. If it was up to Dex he would want is to force the ball to him on every possession.

10. When he did get the ball today on at least one play he didn't give it DEZ effort to catch it, only hoping for the pass interference call.


11. He can't let **** go on the sidelines. It is a distraction. I don't care how you slice it. That's not to say that we haven't sucessfully tuned him out. But is it unacceptable.

12. If we let him go we might miss him. It isn't a sure fire deal that we could replace him with a first round pick

 

[Verdict]

Why pick on Dez.....the team is 8-1.

Maybe it's because Dez is one of the highest paid players on the team and has done very little to contribute to our record this year.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I am not going to bash Dez, however some FACTS

All but two of Dak's incompletions were throws to Dez, two right in his hands.

Also, the first time this season the offense looked subpar was when he was inserted into the lineup vs Philly.

I don't see how anyone can dispute either one of those.

Facts?

Interference should have been called on two of those throws (the 1st target to him today and the throw in the endzone).

How are y'all sitting here watching the games and COMPLETELY ignoring what's happening on the field.

Haden was holding Dez's left arm, preventing him from grasping the ball with both hands.

But let me guess, "buh, eliTe receifers shuld find a way!"

 

[Gabe]

By and large, the production of a WR -- elite to practice squad member -- is determined by the level of quality of play by the QB. When Roethlisberger is out, or off, Antonio Brown's numbers fall off a cliff. Hopkins has disappeared with bad QB play. So has Demaryius Thomas. When Ryan is bad, Jones doesn't produce. Brandon Marshall's numbers are way down with bad QB play. Beckham's are bad. Robinson's numbers are down when Bortles plays bad. Have all those guys fallen from the ranks of elite?

Dak is winning games, yes, but he's not lighting the world on fire statistically, so the guys whose numbers are directly dependent on him will suffer. Fantasy football is fun, but it's definitely exposed people who aren't able to separate FF knowledge from football knowledge.

I wonder why Beasley's production has gone way up this year?

 

[Verdict]

This is what I find interesting. He's being paid and talked about like he's one of the greatest receivers in the game, yet people are defending him by talking about how he draws double coverage and had 4 catches on 14 targets last week. That's all you got?

I am shocked at how people think 4 for 14 is awesome.

 

[Gabe]

Facts?

Interference should have been called on two of those throws (the 1st target to him today and the throw in the endzone).

How are y'all sitting here watching the games and COMPLETELY ignoring what's happening on the field.

Haden was holding Dez's left arm, preventing him from grasping the ball with both hands.

But let me guess, "buh, eliTe receifers shuld find a way!"

Saw that exact play. He should have come down with that. If he wants to lay blame of that one on the CB he must be extremely weak.

 

[Verdict]

Facts?

Interference should have been called on two of those throws (the 1st target to him today and the throw in the endzone).

How are y'all sitting here watching the games and COMPLETELY ignoring what's happening on the field.

Haden was holding Dez's left arm, preventing him from grasping the ball with both hands.

But let me guess, "buh, eliTe receifers shuld find a way!"

Dez was being a ***** on that play. Tell me you don't expect Dez to catch that ball?

 

[KJJ]

False.

I've maintained (as others have) that as a matter of principal, I don't think taking a RB at #4 overall is the most prudent move, especially when no other position has proven historically that you can get quality, productive RBs elsewhere (including later in the 1st round and even undrafted rookie FAs) in the draft.

In your simple-mind, you can't process that nuanced thought, having to put things into easy to understand categories, which is why you falsely claim "well, that means you think McFadden is a great RB!"

False? You just admitted what I said, that you didn't want to use the 4th overall pick on an RB. lol You still don't believe taking Zeke was the best move? Who could we have drafted at #4 would be helping this team more than Zeke has helped us? Have fun dancing around those.

 

[Verdict]

I wonder why Beasley's production has gone way up this year?

My guess is they are finally throwing the ball to him. Lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Maybe it's because Dez is one of the highest paid players on the team and has done very little to contribute to our record this year.

Yeah, you're right. That clutch TD grab late in the 4th quarter last against the Eagles was meaningless.

 

[Verdict]

Maybe dak was throwing to the spot where dez was supposed to be on his route...he floats his routes always has. has cost romo several ints

Dez isn't worthless but he lacks consistency and concentration and it has cost us success.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

False? You just admitted what I said, that you didn't want to use the 4th overall pick on an RB. lol You still don't believe taking Zeke was the best move? Who could we have drafted at #4 would be helping this team more than Zeke has helped us? Have fun dancing around those.

No donk, saying you don't think something is the most prudent approach doesn't equate to saying it was a "mistake."

Have fun working the graveyard shift in shipping & receiving the rest of your life.