Will McClay interview on 1053thefan

[Bullflop]

How about a 2.5 sack guy who plays about a third of the snaps? Still worth 28?

That might greatly depend upon how much he could progress in year two. If he didn't, yes, it would likely be disappointing.

 

[Alexander]

That might greatly depend upon how much he might progress in year two. If he didn't, it would probably be disappointing.

I think a 2.5 season and a rotational snap count in his first year is pretty bad on it's own.

That is Ebenezer Ekuban territory in terms of a career arc.

 

[Idgit]

"In mind when we picked Taco" tells me that they had that number of players they chose from while on the clock. I don't think anyone said they were DEs.

They already came out and implied the second part of what you said. The DB depth helped them make up their minds.

Maybe. Like I said, it's impossible to say.

The reportedly liked King and Basham. We know they liked Chido. It felt to me like most of the players they liked better at DE were already off the board, but you're right he could be talking about guys at positions other than DE and CB, too.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

So let's speculate.
28(28) Cowboys - Charlton

29(29) Browns (From Packers) - Njoku
Packers traded out for first pick of the 2nd round and a 4th.

30(30) Steelers - Watt

31(31) 49ers (From Seahawks through Falcons) - Foster

Seahawks traded down for second pick of the 2nd round and a 4th.

32(32) Saints (From Patriots) - Ramcyzk

Then Kevin King, Cam Robinson, Malik McDowell, Budda Baker. The next D-lineman picked was DeMarcus Walker at 51, and it is debatable if he would be an end or tackle in Dallas. Not other true end type goes until Kpassagnon before our pick with Awuzie right after him.

If you go off what really happened, they were probably offered a high second and a fourth, and that is all, they were probably just better off and taking the last of the Mohicans if they felt compelled to force the DE pick.

Man where do you find all this time...

 

[Alexander]

Maybe. Like I said, it's impossible to say.

The reportedly liked King and Basham. We know they liked Chido. It felt to me like most of the players they liked better at DE were already off the board, but you're right he could be talking about guys at positions other than DE and CB, too.

Basham went middle to late 3rd. I would have hoped he was not in the thought process in the first round. Or even a trade down into the 2nd.

 

[robjay04]

How about a 2.5 sack guy who plays about a third of the snaps? Still worth 28?

Nope...if a first round pick is only on the field for a third of the snaps, I consider that a disappointment unless they're highly productive.

 

[Idgit]

Basham went middle to late 3rd. I would have hoped he was not in the thought process in the first round. Or even a trade down into the 2nd.

Yeah, I know where he went. That's part of my point. There weren't really 6-7 guys on the board at 28 who weren't CBs and who were linked to Dallas in any way before or after the draft.

 

[Alexander]

Nope...if a first round pick is only on the field for a third of the snaps, I consider that a disappointment unless they're highly productive.

So would I. But that is about what you would get out of a rotational end.

 

[Bullflop]

I think a 2.5 season and a rotational snap count in his first year is pretty bad on it's own.

That is Ebenezer Ekuban territory in terms of a career arc.

Ekuban stayed average or below throughout his career. If Taco increased to 6 sacks and played the run well, in year 2, I could live with it.

 

[Alexander]

There weren't really 6-7 guys on the board at 28 who weren't CBs and who were linked to Dallas in any way before or after the draft.

Well, we know they liked Watt. They liked McDowell, Kevin King, Marcus Maye, Chris Samuel, Quincy Wilson and Tyus Bowser enough to bring in to visit. All went off before Awuzie.

Knock out King and Wilson, that is five guys alone if you discount them wanting Njoku, Ramcyzk and Foster, who they didn't visit with.

All depends on what he said exactly and what he meant.

I don't see why he would throw out a high number like that for no reason or to be coy. It is over and done with.

 

[Alexander]

Ekuban stayed average or below throughout his career. If Taco increased to 6 sacks and played the run well, in year 2, I'd be fairly satisfied.

How about 6.5 sacks in year two? That was Ekuban's pace.

 

[Bullflop]

How about 6.5 sacks in year two? That was Ekuban's pace.

If I'm not mistaken, he wasn't especially competent for playing the run.

I'm not saying Taco was a great pick; just that he might be acceptable.

Ekuban has already had his chance and failed. Taco's future is ahead.

 

[Alexander]

If I'm not mistaken, he wasn't especially competent for playing the run.

I'm not saying Taco was a great pick; just that he might be acceptable.

In today's game, if a first round end is "good against the run" and that is his calling card, that is not that great.

Teams ran the ball a lot more in Ekuban's day so there might have been some charm for that reason.

Ends that are picked in the first now seem to fall into pretty good or downright pitiful. There rarely is this middle of the road, late first round type that gets to a second contract.

That is second contract is what you should expect out of your first round pick. If not, it was pretty much blown.

 

[xwalker]

Well, certainly not "war daddy" if McClay's reaction is anything. Sounds like they have the bar set at if he is a contributor in a rotation of six players.

You're reading a lot into a radio interview that Cowboy Joe has paraphrased for us.

I took his comment more as they're going to keep adding DL and eventually one will become a War Daddy as opposed to counting on any 1 specific player to be the savior.

Realistically there was only 1 near-guaranteed "War Daddy" pass rusher in this past draft. All others had significant question marks.

 

[xwalker]

If I'm not mistaken, he wasn't especially competent for playing the run.

I'm not saying Taco was a great pick; just that he might be acceptable.

Ekuban has already had his chance and failed. Taco's future is ahead.

Taco could become Greg Ellis and many around here would complain.

Ellis was a really good player. He was not an all-time great like DWare, but he was waaay better than the Ekuban types.

 

[xwalker]

'In mind' going into the draft. And then they ended up with at least one of those guys when they were on the clock.

Impossible to say for sure, but we do know they wanted DBs and DEs, and that they forewent DB in round 1 because of the depth of the position. There weren't 6-7 DE candidates remaining when they were on the clock at 28.

Yes, they said right after the draft they were considering guys like Awuzie but thought they had more options at DB in round 2 than options at DE.

 

[xwalker]

Taco will be fine. It was one practice.
On The Fan this morning, some guy, Gavin? He was really bad mouthing Taco, saying he was slow, this, that, even said he looked like a 5th round pick. Like he would know...Broaddus has more sense than this...LOL...
The other guy said, wait, it is one practice, give him some time, there is a lot of TC left.
Then Gavin said, he didn't want to sound like a hater, but it's just what he seen. I think he sounded like a hater.

The Gavin guy is a facilitator on that show. He coordinates the conversation between himself and the other guys on the show. He has decent skill as an interviewer.

His knowledge of football is very limited even compared to the other guys on the show.

 

[Bullflop]

In today's game, if a first round end is "good against the run" and that is his calling card, that is not that great.

Teams ran the ball a lot more in Ekuban's day so there might have been some charm for that reason.

Ends that are picked in the first now seem to fall into pretty good or downright pitiful. There rarely is this middle of the road, late first round type that gets to a second contract.

That is second contract is what you should expect out of your first round pick. If not, it was pretty much blown.

I fail to see why you're so determined to prove Taco Charlton is destined to become a failure when his career is still in its infancy. Who's to say that he won't reach the level of someone like Greg Ellis, given the proper amount of time to prove it. Neither one of us have a guaranteed idea to put forth as to what Taco is destined to prove in the years to come.

I see nothing productive in predicting his demise at a point in his career when he hasn't had a chance to prove himself one way or the other. It wouldn't hurt to give a rookie the benefit of the doubt and try to be more optimistic that he'll pan out. I'm perfectly willing to do that at this juncture. Let's give the guy a chance before assuming the worst.

 

[Bullflop]

Taco could become Greg Ellis and many around here would complain.

Ellis was a really good player. He was not an all-time great like DWare, but he was waaay better than the Ekuban types.

Yep, and as I recall many of those here did exactly that. He was surely, at the very least, a more than adequate player that never got nearly the credit that he deserved. If Taco reached that level, I'd be perfectly willing to give him credit for what he was.

 

[Kaiser]

Yep, and as I recall many of those here did exactly that. He was surely a more than adequate player that never got nearly the credit he deserved.

Totally agree. The biggest problem Ellis had was that he was "the guy taken instead of Randy Moss". But if Moss had been that pick, it was right after so many scandals like the Cowboys "White House" that the Dallas media would have destroyed Moss no matter what. It would have been the Dez Bryant situation times twenty.