Will McClay. Thank you, sir.

[Diehardblues]

I want to slay myself every time this cliché is used around here. Good grief. Nothing against you personally.

We're all excited about the prospects of the future but our disappointments this era should be a calming reminder.

Like I said. Let's run together some consistent playoff seasons and at least a championship appearance before we can officially say we've arrived.

Why can't we just enjoy the ride without all of these claims? I'm result oriented . Once we reach the mountain top I'll be glad to lead the cheers.

 

[Ring Leader]

No. I am African American. And there are not enough African American GMs in a sport where 70% of the players are African American. By properly recognizing him with the appropriate title for the duties he performs...that will give players and/or kids growing up following the sport....hope that there are opportunities beyond the playing field.

I'm all for equal opportunity for everyone. Best person for the job period. African Americans represent approximately 13% of the population in the US. Are you proposing that the % of African American NFL GMs should be higher than 13% because of the higher % of African American players?

 

[waldoputty]

The Jones Family own everything.
With the three children they are all equals.

Well it is all in the family, but better than if it is all under Jerry.
I still think it is easier on Jerry's ego to make Will a junior partner (very junior) than lose his General Manager title.
I can see if he resists as I have seen before a family company insanely lose their key employee due to unwillingness to make the guy a junior partner.

 

[waldoputty]

I'm all for equal opportunity for everyone. Best person for the job period. African Americans represent approximately 13% of the population in the US. Are you proposing that the % of African American NFL GMs should be higher than 13% because of the higher % of African American players?

I dont think this is about race, but all about Jerry's ego.

 

[dogunwo]

I'm all for equal opportunity for everyone. Best person for the job period. African Americans represent approximately 13% of the population in the US. Are you proposing that the % of African American NFL GMs should be higher than 13% because of the higher % of African American players?

Are you kidding me? That's not what he said at all.

Its easy to say, "best person for the job" should get it. But the problem is the stigma that comes with minority candidates that they are not as good. Or they haven't had the opportunities to build their resume in the lower ranks.

 

[dogunwo]

Why can't we just enjoy the ride without all of these claims? I'm result oriented . Once we reach the mountain top I'll be glad to lead the cheers.

Because you are looking at the future. Not living in the now. You are exactly not enjoying the product on the field, you are waiting for the other shoe to drop. The current product on the field is great. The happy fans are going to be excited, just like when things are bad, the negative nancys beat their chests.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I'm all for equal opportunity for everyone. Best person for the job period. African Americans represent approximately 13% of the population in the US. Are you proposing that the % of African American NFL GMs should be higher than 13% because of the higher % of African American players?

This is not just RACE related. But in light of the lack of AA at the level in the NFL...it does not help things when someone that is qualified and is doing the job....accepts more money to allow a serial narcissist to continue as a faux GM.

Sean Payton was going a great job here...as the OC...but he had bigger dreams. Do you begrudge Sean leaving? Should paying Sean more money been enough for him to stay?

Will is doing a great job here...he will NEVER get the title for the job he is doing here. So to get it...he has to leave....and that's too bad. Because it's not like the person holding the title has EARNED the title. He has the title because he owns the team. And that is his prerogative.

 

[Bullflop]

I still think it's too early to get the annointment oil out just yet.

While it appears we might have finally turned the corner I usually wait to break out the champagne after we've won something .

Look how excited we were in 2014 and it just turned out to be another disappointment with some glitter amongst a slew of non playoff appearances .

Let's run a few consistent playoff appearances together with a championship before we begin calling all of this a complete success.

It doesn't mean we can't begin to feel some excitement but with our leadership which has often found a way to screw it up leaves me suspect. Sorry

You've made some logical points here, Diehard . . . the proof is in the pudding. Most of us are fairly overjoyed to see encouraging indications of improvement in our talent acquisition. Maybe we're a bit overanxious to throw bouquets to those responsible. I think it's understandable, though, in consideration of the fact that this team has been subjected to 20 years of pretty average drafting. Maybe our participation in future playoffs will cause the accolades to continue and be universally acclaimed. I'd be willing to bet we're all hoping for good results to follow.

 

[Common Sense]

He was in charge of player research in 2012 then promoted to assistant director of personnel in 2013.

Will came over from the Desperados.

Technically, he was promoted after the war room debacle in 2013. So 2014 was his first official draft above Ciskowski. Only the last three drafts are McClay's.

 

[Diehardblues]

You've made some logical points here, Diehard . . . the proof is in the pudding. Most of us are fairly overjoyed to see encouraging indications of improvement in our talent acquisition. Maybe we're a bit overanxious to throw bouquets to those responsible. I think it's understandable, though, in consideration of the fact that this team has been subjected to 20 years of pretty average drafting. Maybe our participation in future playoffs will cause the accolades to continue and be universally acclaimed. I'd be willing to bet we're all hoping for good results to follow.

I understand. Im not trying to totally whiz on the parade either . We've seen some good team building drafts when Bill was here only to watch the meddling derail it. And looked like we were close in 2014. Just saying . Beware and don't pop the cork yet.

I still think Jerry is going to mess it up somehow beginning with the QB situation probably.

But I've been saying for years I was somewhat excited Jason could overcome Jerry if given enough time possibly beyond the Romo era and why I've had any hope at all.

 

[waldoputty]

Technically, he was promoted after the war room debacle in 2013. So 2014 was his first official draft above Ciskowski. Only the last three drafts are McClay's.

So what does Mcclay actually do?
There is no way he does all the scouting for colleges.
I suspect the scouts do that and suggest a bunch, at which decisions and focus are decided.

Does he actually go through the tape to find the players in FA or other practice squads?
That is more reasonable since the #s are smaller.

If he plays manager and runs the process, then he is more replaceable.
If it is running the draft board, Stephen may have learned enough.

 

[xwalker]

No. I am African American. And there are not enough African American GMs in a sport where 70% of the players are African American. By properly recognizing him with the appropriate title for the duties he performs...that will give players and/or kids growing up following the sport....hope that there are opportunities beyond the playing field.

I'm all for equal opportunity for everyone. Best person for the job period. African Americans represent approximately 13% of the population in the US. Are you proposing that the % of African American NFL GMs should be higher than 13% because of the higher % of African American players?

Great point by Ring Leader.

The numbers of front office jobs relative to race should roughly equal the population spread.

The players are the product of the NFL. The race makeup of the product should have minimal bearing on the race makeup of the front office.

 

[Common Sense]

So what does Mcclay actually do?
There is no way he does all the scouting for colleges.
I suspect the scouts do that and suggest a bunch, at which decisions and focus are decided.

Does he actually go through the tape to find the players in FA or other practice squads?
That is more reasonable since the #s are smaller.

If he plays manager and runs the process, then he is more replaceable.
If it is running the draft board, Stephen may have learned enough.

That's where it gets tricky. None of us really knows for sure what McClay's role is these days. He's had his hand in both pro scouting and college scouting throughout the last several years, but he's obviously not running both of those shows now.

 

[Plankton]

I agree with the OP, but what has Damien Wilson done?

Like Wilson has shown to this point in his career, that assessment overran the praise to be given.

 

[Bullflop]

I understand. In not trying to totally whiz on the parade either . We've seen some good team building drafts when Bill was here only to watch the meddling derail it. And looked like we were close in 2014. Just saying . Beware and don't pop the cork yet.

I still think Jerry is going to mess it up somehow beginning with the QB situation probably.

But I've been saying for years I was somewhat excited Jason could overcome Jerry if given enough time possibly beyond the Romo era and why I've had any hope at all.

Can't blame you for being apprehensive about what Jerry might do, although it's hard to say if he might also decide to stick with what's working and stay with Dak. Tony is someone he's committed himself to throughout his career and the fan in him makes it hard to change. We'll see.

The pressure that is being exerted by the public and the media as well will make it a harder decision for the FO to revert back to Romo than what it would be otherwise, no doubt. I think if Dak continues to win, he'll stay with Dak but if we lose, there's a built-in excuse to change. Hopefully, this whole QB quandary will resolve itself amicably. In the meantime, a deep playoff run should help all concerned, regardless of their "druthers."

 

[waldoputty]

Technically, he was promoted after the war room debacle in 2013. So 2014 was his first official draft above Ciskowski. Only the last three drafts are McClay's.

Bottom line is that a lot of drafts have been going right even before 2014.
In fact, we have now 'hit' on the last 7 1st round picks, now that Mo is play well.
Many of those picks were not in the top 10.
May be it is all because of Mcclay, though not likely.
You can argue that the 2nd round picks are not good, but the success probability of 2nd round picks are not 80%.
So gambling on riskier 2nd round picks to get 1st round value if it pans out is not an unreasonable strategy.

Now 2016 has been special but could be historic, but that is 1 out of 3 Mcclay drafts.
Furthermore, that is mostly due to picking a potential franchise QB late in the 4th round.
No one foresaw what Dak has become, including Mcclay, Stephen, Jerry or any of the other 31 GMs.
If you remove the 'credit' for Dak from the 2016 draft, then you get Zeke, Jaylon, Collins and the CB.
Zeke is 4th pick and the rumor is that the coaches wanted Zeke over the scouts.
Collins and the CB were excellent picks.
Jaylon is another high risk pick that people typically attribute to Jerry's personality.

So the key is whether Mcclay is the one who is making scouting analysis after the scouts have narrowed the candidates down to a reasonable number of prospects.
If that is his talent, then he would be worth A LOT OF MONEY AND RESPECT.
Or is his gift the ability to manage the scouting department and manage the draft room - which is easier to replace.

 

[Diehardblues]

Great point by Ring Leader.

The numbers of front office jobs relative to race should roughly equal the population spread.

The players are the product of the NFL. The race makeup of the product should have minimal bearing on the race makeup of the front office.

I agree although with the high percentage of players we probably could present an argument that they actually might be more in tune , have a better eye, relate , etc with the majority of players which could present an advantage over others with equal qualifications and or experience.

 

[waldoputty]

Technically, he was promoted after the war room debacle in 2013. So 2014 was his first official draft above Ciskowski. Only the last three drafts are McClay's.

Do you mean the TFred draft or the Mo draft?

 

[Diehardblues]

Bottom line is that a lot of drafts have been going right even before 2014.
In fact, we have now 'hit' on the last 7 1st round picks, now that Mo is play well.
Many of those picks were not in the top 10.
May be it is all because of Mcclay, though not likely.
You can argue that the 2nd round picks are not good, but the success probability of 2nd round picks are not 80%.
So gambling on riskier 2nd round picks to get 1st round value if it pans out is not an unreasonable strategy.

Now 2016 has been special but could be historic, but that is 1 out of 3 Mcclay drafts.
Furthermore, that is mostly due to picking a potential franchise QB late in the 4th round.
No one foresaw what Dak has become, including Mcclay, Stephen, Jerry or any of the other 31 GMs.
If you remove the 'credit' for Dak from the 2016 draft, then you get Zeke, Jaylon, Collins and the CB.
Zeke is 4th pick and the rumor is that the coaches wanted Zeke over the scouts.
Collins and the CB were excellent picks.
Jaylon is another high risk pick that people typically attribute to Jerry's personality.

So the key is whether Mcclay is the one who is making scouting analysis after the scouts have narrowed the candidates down to a reasonable number of prospects.
If that is his talent, then he would be worth A LOT OF MONEY AND RESPECT.
Or is his gift the ability to manage the scouting department and manage the draft room - which is easier to replace.

Very good points sir!

 

[Common Sense]

Do you mean the TFred draft or the Mo draft?

TFred. There was a big dispute in the war room between Ciscowski and the defensive coaching staff over Sharrif Floyd before they traded down to take Frederick. Ciscowski was demoted after that and replaced by McClay.