Will Ware have a sack this game?

[Rack]

But Rack who has a sack in like the last four games straight? The DE on the other side, Greg Ellis. Teams have been rolling protection to his side, just record the game and watch all passing situations. They will have a RB or a TE chip Ware or help out the OT. Ware getting DTeamed allows Ellis to get to the QB,

Ellis has gone 4 straight games with sacks before. Was it cuz of some great presence on the other side? No.


Hell, I think he went 4 straight games with sacks last year. And he only finished with 9.

I'm not asking for 3 sacks a game, Just consistent pressure. Ware has been far from consistent.



And FYI, I'm not concerned about Ware's FUTURE. But if we are to do anything in the playoffs (or even MAKE the playoffs) the future has to come NOW. If you guys are "ok" with him not getting better till next year then you should not bother watching this year's games. I'm wanting us to do something THIS YEAR. And to do that we need better play from Ware, and our two Tackles (that's another thread/criticism that's off limits as well ).

 

[Cbz40]

And you are not too crticize posters that criticize posters that do critcize players that are off limits as well.......sorry I have no link

Do you happen to have that link forbidding anyone to critcize Ware?

 

[InDakWeTrust]

And FYI, I'm not concerned about Ware's FUTURE. But if we are to do anything in the playoffs (or even MAKE the playoffs) the future has to come NOW. If you guys are "ok" with him not getting better till next year then you should not bother watching this year's games. I'm wanting us to do something THIS YEAR. And to do that we need better play from Ware, and our two Tackles (that's another thread/criticism that's off limits as well ).

Why do you think he hasnt been consistant? Is it that there isnt a reliable rusher to take away the double teams? Not at LB IMO. We are more than ok at DE and Glover at DT rushing the QB but often our guys simply cant get there with a 3 or 4 man rush. Great Defenses can do that. But LB is simply a postion in a 3-4 where they seem to get sacks in bunches. Like someone mentioned Joey Porter in Pitt. Not a knock against the player but probably in the style of offenses we will face. Ware is holding his own in the running game at least. He is only going to get better, If he doesnt get a sack this game, I expect 2 against the Chiefs.

 

[Kevinicus]

2.5 - 3 this game...This is the Cowboys coming out party. JJ will have a big day, and Ware will break loose. 31-13

 

[SultanOfSix]

Ware has like 12 pressures TOTAL for the season.

I don't know. I've always seen him put pressure on at least 3 or 4 times a game when I watch. Maybe "official" pressures are different.

His per capita per rush is pretty good too I would assume. He seems to drop back in coverage a lot as well as contain the run. The guy just doesn't rush the QB like what Merriman seems to do only.

 

[parcellsguys]

Ware is playing great right now. Remember he's not a defensive end where he can just rush every down because he also has responsibilities in the passing game. He also put his name on the radar with those four sacks in four games so the offenses are watching him now.

He was in there a few times last time against the Giants and I expect him to get a few shots this game to get a sack of two.

 

[Hoods]

Funny how Rack avoids responding to Adam's post.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

I should of known better. Ware is one of those "Off limits" players. Can't criticize him under any circumstances.

Criticism is one thing, but ignorant criticism is another horse all together. You say that his being a rookie or playing another position isn’t an excuse that his sack number should be higher? Well, Micheal Strahan, who most consider to be a pretty decent DE had a grand total of 1 sack his rookie year. He turned out pretty decent. Lawrence Taylor who many people want to compare Ware to had an even more impressive number of 0 his rookie year. Gotta admit LT turned out ok. Finally one more. Bruce Smith who happens to be the all time sack leader in the NFL (since they started counting sacks) managed to get 6.5 his rookie year. Ware is only 2.5 behind that with 5 games remaining.

Criticize all you want to, but for crying out loud do so with some semblance of intelligence. You MUST factor in the rookie status, the game scheming designed for him, and the fact that he had to learn a new position. This kid is a stud, and could be something very very special.

Jon

 

[ZRO]

They didn't keep track of sack stats until 1982 so I don't think LT had zero sacks just because his bio lists zero sacks in 1981 for him. Also, Strahan rarely played in his rookie year.

Ware is not having much of an impact this year. People can try the whole "well he's doing things that don't show up in the stat sheet", but it's stupid. What things? He gets maybe one pressure a game and then disappears for the rest of the game. Merriman is WAY outperforming him this year, not to mention Derrick Johnson and Odell Thurman.

 

[Rack]

Funny how Rack avoids responding to Adam's post.

His post irrelevant. I don't care how .... great ny keyboard is broken. The letter before N won't type and I'nn having to pound nny keyboard when I hit the spacebar....


This sucks. That's what I get for pounding on it with nny fist.


Anyway, I don't care about Joey Porter or any other of those guys. I only care about Dennarcus Ware. He hasn't played that well the last few weeks. All I want is the guy to be a little nnore relentless in his passrush (typing with this keyboard is starting to annoy nne).

Criticism is one thing, but ignorant criticism is another horse all together.

So what constitutes "Ignorant Critisnn"?

It is cuz YOU say it is? The point is valid whether you like it or not. The guy was drafted to kill QBs and he hasn't done a good job of it lately.

But it's Ware so you're crucified if you criticize hi...





Whatever. I thought this would be a good discussion. Instead you pansies act like I said so.ething about your Granny.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

They didn't keep track of sack stats until 1982 so I don't think LT had zero sacks just because his bio lists zero sacks in 1981 for him. Also, Strahan rarely played in his rookie year.

Ware is not having much of an impact this year. People can try the whole "well he's doing things that don't show up in the stat sheet", but it's stupid. What things? He gets maybe one pressure a game and then disappears for the rest of the game. Merriman is WAY outperforming him this year, not to mention Derrick Johnson and Odell Thurman.

You could be right about LT in 1982. I thought they started keeping records in 1981, I will concede that point, however Strahan played in 9 games his first year but look to his first 4 years in the NFL and he didn’t total more than 7.5 in any of them with two of those years he totaled 4 and 5 respectively. The point is you cannot judge the worth of any player in the NFL based on one year alone and certainly not solely on their rookie year. While Merriman has had a good year I think it is misleading to say he has WAY outperformed Ware. Merriman is used differently than Ware.

Anyway, I don't care about Joey Porter or any other of those guys. I only care about Dennarcus Ware. He hasn't played that well the last few weeks. All I want is the guy to be a little nnore relentless in his passrush (typing with this keyboard is starting to annoy nne).

So nobody else’s history in the league is applicable? If that is the case then where do you establish your baseline for measuring his success? You can’t say he should have x sacks because this player has x sacks, and then turn around and say you don’t care what any other player did. Who is to say that another Rookie would have a higher sack total than Ware does if they played in this system? You can throw all the names at me you want to but the fact is nobody knows that. Different systems, different schemes, different players around them etc.

So what constitutes "Ignorant Critisnn"?

It is cuz YOU say it is? The point is valid whether you like it or not. The guy was drafted to kill QBs and he hasn't done a good job of it lately. But it's Ware so you're crucified if you criticize hi... Whatever. I thought this would be a good discussion. Instead you pansies act like I said so.ething about your Granny.

Well for starters your reply would qualify in my book. Has nothing to do with my opinion or the fact I said it was. You began by saying he is not all that was made up to be then followed that statement by saying don’t tell me about the learning curves or the pressures or anything else. This would be akin to buying a car based on looks alone. You can say the motor and drive train are immaterial but in reality they are every bit as important if not more so than the aesthetic appeal. I particularly like your parting shot of how you thought this could be a good discussion but then leave with a playground comment that really highlights your intelligence. What then would constitute a good discussion in your opinion? Everyone quoting your well thought out points and agreeing whole heartedly or a debate of the merits of your opinion by those with a different view in an adult manner? I think the answer if pretty clear which path you chose.


Jon

 

[ThEpLyMaKeR88]

what i think ware needs is a better inside technique because all i see him doing is run around the tackle in a big circle and all the QB has to do is step into the pocket. and if we had more pressure up in the middle for him the QB's would not be able to come into the pocket allowing him to get a sack

 

[Rack]

The point is you cannot judge the worth of any player in the NFL based on one year alone and certainly not solely on their rookie year.

Did you skip the part where I said I wasn't concerned with Ware's FUTURE or are you just illiterate?


The point is, AGAIN, we need Ware to do better NOW if we're to do anything THIS year.

I don't know any easier way to explain that to you. If you can't understand that, oh well.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The guy was drafted to kill QBs and he hasn't done a good job of it lately.

He was drafted to improve our pass rush. He has.

 

[Rack]

He was drafted to improve our pass rush. He has.

Sorry, but no. It wouldn't of taken a lot to "improve" our pass rush. more is expected then just "improve" our pass rush.

 

[TheHustler]

He also leads the team in tackles for loss.....

 

[big dog cowboy]

Considering we have been trying to improve our pass rush for 10 years I would say he is a step in the right direction.

 

[Rack]

Considering we have been trying to improve our pass rush for 10 years I would say he is a step in the right direction.

I agree. But that's not the point I tried to make. Again, for like the 200th time, if we're to do something THIS year, he'll have to do better.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you guys are "ok" with him not getting better till next year then you should not bother watching this year's games. I'm wanting us to do something THIS YEAR. And to do that we need better play from Ware, and our two Tackles (that's another thread/criticism that's off limits as well ).

Parcells said a couple of weeks ago, in one of his PCs, that he thinks Ware will get better...next year

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He was drafted to improve our pass rush. He has.

a bullet in Rack's *****ing