Will Ware have a sack this game?

[AdamJT13]

Another person that doesn't understand the point.

It would help if you actually had a valid point.

It's not whether or not I think he's a bust or not doing enough. It's about what he'd need to do for us to make some "Noise" in the playoffs. Again, it's not JUST Ware (I mentioned our tackles as well), but this thread is FOCUSING on Ware. I don't understand how this is so difficult to understand.

If we were 3-8 and had no chance to make the playoffs I wouldn't of made the post. Is he doing fine for a rookie learning new defense and position? Yes. Is he gonna have to do better for us to have success in the playoffs? Yes. Can't put it any simpler then that.

Let's go back and look at your original post, shall we?

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Will Ware have a sack in this game? It's been, what, 4 or 5 games now? Sorry but that's pathetic. And before you go flapping your gums about "he's only a rookie", "he's learning a new position", "he's getting more attention" blah blah blah, I KNOW all that. It's still pathetic. I'm not expecting 20 sacks a year from the guy, but going 4 or 5 games w/o no sack is pretty bad. Hope he turns it loose on sunday. Hope he uses more of these "moves" that Zimmer was talking about in training camp instead of just speed rushing every single time.

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Nope, I don't see any mention about "the playoffs." But I do see several statements about how going "four or five games without a sack" is "pathetic," "pathetic" and "pretty bad." Obviously, that's not true.

And frankly, we don't need Ware to get a sack in the playoffs for us to be successful. If he has a pressure that creates a key turnover, or if he stuffs the running back for a loss on a key third-and-1, that could be vastly more important to us than just getting a sack.

 

[Rack]

YOU DON'T GET THE POINT!! WAAA WAAAA WAAAA

but seriously, it's a team effort, everyone is going to need to play better once the playoffs start, so singling out individuals is stupid, E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E needs to step up during the playoffs

I didn't single out anyone. I chose to focus on ONE of the players instead of all of them.


The only thing "Stupid" here is your ability to grasp a basic concept.

 

[Kilyin]

Again, it's not about how he's done (do you understand that?) it's about what he'll NEED to do for us to be successful in the playoffs.

It's been, what, 4 or 5 games now? Sorry but that's pathetic.

And before you go flapping your gums about "he's only a rookie", "he's learning a new position", "he's getting more attention" blah blah blah, I KNOW all that. It's still pathetic. I'm not expecting 20 sacks a year from the guy, but going 4 or 5 games w/o no sack is pretty bad.

Hope he turns it loose on sunday. Hope he uses more of these "moves" that Zimmer was talking about in training camp instead of just speed rushing every single time.

The washing machine is in full spin cycle. It's not about how he's done? That's exactly what your first post was about. There it is quoted, in case you have amnesia. Notice it says nothing about the playoffs or needing to step up. It says Ware is pathetic because he hasn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games and he needs to "turn it loose on Sunday". Sunday might have playoff implications, but it's not the playoffs.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

making a post about a certain individual, is singling them out, that's pretty basic stuff my man

and it's hard to grasp a "basic concept", that changes as you go along...

 

[Rack]

Nope, I don't see any mention about "the playoffs." But I do see several statements about how going "for or five games without a sack" is "pathetic," "pathetic" and "pretty bad." Obviously, that's not true.

Going 4 or 5 games w/o a sack IS bad. Just cuz there are good pass rushers that do the same doesn't make it any less pathetic.

And it's not just about the sacks, it's about his overall pass rush. I see you left out the part of my first post where I talked about Ware always doing the same move. How convenient of you.

And frankly, we don't need Ware to get a sack in the playoffs for us to be successful. If he has a pressure that creates a key turnover, or if he stuffs the running back for a loss on a key third-and-1, that could be vastly more important to us than just getting a sack.

Wow, you think? But his main job is to get to the quarterback. So I, obviously, would refer to his pass rush. I could just as easily say Jason Ferguson getting a sack would be important too, but we all know he was brought in mainly to stuff the run. So if I were talking about him, I'd be talking about his run defense.

 

[Rack]

That's exactly what your first post was about.

In the last 4 or 5 games, NOT the entire season.

 

[Rack]

making a post about a certain individual, is singling them out, that's pretty basic stuff my man

and it's hard to grasp a "basic concept", that changes as you go along...

No, it isn't. I chose Ware cuz I wanted to discuss THAT particular player. Still too difficult for you to understand? At this point, not surprising at all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

BLAH BLAH BLAH I'm Rack BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, it isn't. I chose Ware cuz I wanted to discuss THAT particular player. Still too difficult for you to understand? At this point, not surprising at all.

you singled him out! "will Ware get a sack? I think it's pathetic that he hasn't in 5 games", that's called singling someone out

then it changed to he needs to step it up, or the Cowboys are doomed once they reach the playoffs, because posters already beat down your initial argument, and this new one still doesn't make much sense, when everyone is going to need to play better once the playoffs begin...

 

[Rack]

BLAH BLAH BLAH I'm Rack BLAH BLAH BLAH

What an intelligent post. Appreciate your effort to debate in a civilized manner. Thank you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

sorry, it's hard to stay on point when someone keeps running around in circles

 

[Rack]

you singled him out! "will Ware get a sack? I think it's pathetic that he hasn't in 5 games", that's called singling someone out

then it changed to he needs to step it up, or the Cowboys are doomed once they reach the playoffs, because posters already beat down your initial argument, and this new one still doesn't make much sense, when everyone is going to need to play better once the playoffs begin...

Call it what you want. You're wrong, plain and simple.


I made a post criticizing Petitti the other day too. I guess I somehow "Singled ou" TWO players? I've criticized Tucker too, I guess I've managed to "Single out" THREE players.

 

[Rack]

sorry, it's hard to stay on point when someone keeps running around in circles

If that's the way you feel, why are you still reading and replying to this thread?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If that's the way you feel, why are you still reading and replying to this thread?

asking a poster why he chooses to read and reply to posts, is like asking a crackhead why he chooses to smoke crack

 

[AdamJT13]

Going 4 or 5 games w/o a sack IS bad. Just cuz there are good pass rushers that do the same doesn't make it any less pathetic.

Yes it does. You're trying to qualify one aspect of a pass-rushing linebacker's performance without considering what is normal for a pass-rushing linebacker in that particular category.

And it's not just about the sacks, it's about his overall pass rush.

Your original post didn't mention anything about "his overall pass rush." All you wanted was a sack, period, since not getting one is "pathetic," regardless of what else happens because of his pass rush.

I see you left out the part of my first post where I talked about Ware always doing the same move. How convenient of you.

I didn't leave out anything of the sort. I never quoted nor replied to any post that talked about "Ware always doing the same move," if there is one.

Wow, you think? But his main job is to get to the quarterback. So I, obviously, would refer to his pass rush. I could just as easily say Jason Ferguson getting a sack would be important too, but we all know he was brought in mainly to stuff the run. So if I were talking about him, I'd be talking about his run defense.

Like I said, Ware could have a greater positive effect as a pass-rusher by getting a key pressure than by getting a sack.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Call it what you want. You're wrong, plain and simple.


I made a post criticizing Petitti the other day too. I guess I somehow "Singled ou" TWO players? I've criticized Tucker too, I guess I've managed to "Single out" THREE players.

I didn't have much of a problem with you criticizing Pettiti and Tucker, just the fact that they are 2 pieces of a 5-piece problem, the Oline, but knocking on Ware is something I dont' agree with, he's not getting the sacks everyone is expecting from him, but he's doing his part, and is the focus of opposing offenses, and I'm sure the way Parcells feels about Witten not posting eye-popping numbers, but yet he's the focus of opposing Ds, that he still is happy with him, is the same way he feels about Ware, in fact, he strongly hinted at it when he said Ware will get better next year, when faced with questions about Ware's sackless performances these last few games...

so while Ware's sack numbers are a disappointment, that's just one knock on him at the moment, and the other posters already explained the other things he's doing really well

 

[Rack]

asking a poster why he chooses to read and reply to posts, is like asking a crackhead why he chooses to smoke crack

Way to simplify it. I asked why you read and reply to posts that you don't like.

Yes it does. You're trying to qualify one aspect of a pass-rushing linebacker's performance without considering what is normal for a pass-rushing linebacker in that particular category.

No, it doesn't. And Ware is more then just a pass rushing LB. He's also a DE on our nickel/dime packages.


I'm sure if Joey Porter went 5 games w/o a sack and not alot of pressure he'd be a little disappointed in himself. I'm sure Ware feels the same way.

I didn't leave out anything of the sort. I never quoted nor replied to any post that talked about "Ware always doing the same move," if there is one.

Uh huh.

Like I said, Ware could have a greater positive effect as a pass-rusher by getting a key pressure than by getting a sack.

Wow. You think?


If he were getting a lot of pressures, he'd be getting more sacks. That's the way it works, usually.

If Ware were to do what he did against the Cards consistently it would be great. No sacks, but a pressure that lead to an INT (ran back for a TD).

 

[Rack]

I didn't have much of a problem with you criticizing Pettiti and Tucker,

Hypocrit. You bash me for "singling out" a player, then you say "I didn't have a problem with you criticizing Petitti and TUcker".


So it's ok to "single out" Petitti and TUcker, but not Ware?


Just admit it was never about "Singling" anyone out to begin with. You were just talking crap at that point.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

no, there are players that need to be singled out for poor play, Ware is not one of them, because he hasn't been playing poorly

 

[Rack]

no, there are players that need to be singled out for poor play, Ware is not one of them, because he hasn't been playing poorly

Talk about spin doctoring.