Win a playoff game or JG is sent packing?

[jnday]

No way Jerry can sell Garrett to the fans if we go 8-8 or worse for the 3rd straight season under Garrett. Jerry has a 100,000 seat stadium to sell out and telling the fans Garrett is the right man for the job, when he has been the HC for almost 4 seasons and has won jack.

Very few coaches in the NFL can last more than 4 yrs without making the playoffs and still have job security. Those that do have some major skins on the wall or previous championships to buy them time.

Garrett has neither.

Jerry can and will sell it to the fans if he wants to. You only have to look at the Cowboy forums around the internet to find a very large percentage of fans that supports and defends the way the Cowboys have been run even after years of failure. I have seen expectations lowered and excuses made, but many fans are so loyal that they will still buy tickets and jerseys and refuse to see that the Cowboys are a poorly run organization. Cowboy fans think of the team like family, they will support and defend the team even when they are wrong. The only reason that Jerry will change coaches if he is tired of Garrett. Too many fans will still spend the money even if the record is 3-13. The fans that have been labeled as homers, koolaid drinkers and happy fans are the fans will still show up and be happy no matter what the record is. Jerry knows this and knows that there are enough of these fans that he will still make plenty of money.

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

This coaching staff has 2 former NFL head coaches on it and Monte Kiffin.

Jerry has done an interesting job of acquiring people who would quickly step into a head coaching position if asked to.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

This coaching staff has 2 former NFL head coaches on it and Monte Kiffin.

Jerry has done an interesting job of acquiring people who would quickly step into a head coaching position if asked to.

Its a possibility for sure, although i don't believe that was the reasoning. I think it was more about surrounding our young head coach with experienced and battle tested men to help him lead this team in the right direction. Im hoping Jerry finally realized the advantage of having a great coaching staff in place.

 

[Beast_from_East]

A more reasonable question to frame the context of Jason Garrett is:

If you owned the Cowboys and Garrett did not make the playoffs, would you keep him around as HC?

Hell No!!!

 

[Beast_from_East]

The only JG will get let go is if this team is below 8-8, and there are no major injuries to key positions.

He's doing a great job, building this team into a winner. I'm glad he will not be calling the plays, but not because I thought he was bad, but because I knew he had too much on his plate too early in his HC career.

He will be a great HC, here in Dallas.

How is he building this team into a winner, serious question?

He has coached the team to back to back 8-8 seasons and the team has never finished higher than 3rd place in the NFC East under his watch.

If you are referring to RKG, I am sorry but that means jack. As a previous head coach who is now in the Hall of Fame once said "you are what your record says you are".

Garrett has proven to be no better than a .500 head coach in the NFL.

 

[Ren]

Jim Zorn just needed more time, right?

Just que up the next Jerry puppet destined to fall on his sword 3 years from now all so a certain someone doesn't need to look in the mirror when analyzing this teams problems.

If we don't make the playoffs again this year it will be because of our weak lines and safeties exactly the same as last year.

No coach is going to make what we have on our OL look and play good

 

[jobberone]

Let me point out a former coach took several years before he had a winning record and that turned out pretty well for us.

You just cannot keep changing coaches with its consequences of new coaches, new schemes, new playbook and terminology yada. The entire organization can change each time you do that. It can take two or three years to recover from a change. Romo deserves some consistency and the fans deserve a shot at another SB or two. I know I'm not getting any younger and I truly fear I might not ever see the Cowboys in another SB game. I don't like that.

 

[Califan007]

Cleveland was fortunate to get rid of BB when they did.

You can play this the other way, too.

Each situation is different.

Belichick didn't need more time, he needed a franchise QB. Garrett already has one.

At any rate, you can't just look at records when it comes to Garrett, you have to look at if there seems to be real progress in the key areas that were lacking when he took over.

 

[Califan007]

Just que up the next Jerry puppet destined to fall on his sword 3 years from now all so a certain someone doesn't need to look in the mirror when analyzing this teams problems.

If we don't make the playoffs again this year it will be because of our weak lines and safeties exactly the same as last year.

No coach is going to make what we have on our OL look and play good

A good coach will know how to better mask the deficiencies on your OL and safeties, though. How confident are you that Garrett has been (and will be) able to do both?

 

[MissouriCowboy]

JG biggest issue is he might of gone to Princeton but he lacks common sense. It reminds me of bosses at work who cannot understand some things are simple.

 

[Ren]

A good coach will know how to better mask the deficiencies on your OL and safeties, though. How confident are you that Garrett has been (and will be) able to do both?

If we where simply taking about having bellow average starters at those positions i'd feel fairly confident but we're well bellow even that.

If we cut say our safeties today, most would be lucky if they got as much as a camp invite somewhere else and some of the guys on the interior OL have us looking back fondly at the play of Costa in 2011 wishing we could be that "good" again

I don't think JG is great by any means i just don't think HC is the biggest of our problems or even in the top 5

 

[burmafrd]

Let me point out a former coach took several years before he had a winning record and that turned out pretty well for us.

You just cannot keep changing coaches with its consequences of new coaches, new schemes, new playbook and terminology yada. The entire organization can change each time you do that. It can take two or three years to recover from a change. Romo deserves some consistency and the fans deserve a shot at another SB or two. I know I'm not getting any younger and I truly fear I might not ever see the Cowboys in another SB game. I don't like that.

sorry but 196o's and now are so different it is crazy to compare them.

Tom Landry had no draft and virtually nothing at all on the roster when he started. Player movement at that time was limited; and he had to compete with the new AFL which was throwing money around.

You trying to compare what Red Ball had when he started to Landry is ridiculous.

 

[Miller]

JG biggest issue is he might of gone to Princeton but he lacks common sense. It reminds me of bosses at work who cannot understand some things are simple.

This is what I said earlier in a thread. I have a friend who was a Thermo Nuclear Science Major or something like that at Rice. He then became a patent attorney and a partner at his firm. Yet he couldn't find my parents house after 4 years of high school. Smart doesn't equal common sense.

sorry but 196o's and now are so different it is crazy to compare them.

Tom Landry had no draft and virtually nothing at all on the roster when he started. Player movement at that time was limited; and he had to compete with the new AFL which was throwing money around.

You trying to compare what Red Ball had when he started to Landry is ridiculous.

QFT. The league was new. Most teams were starting from scratch. Different players, different era, different rules. Plus this example is an outlier. There many more who were given years and ended up being nothing.

 

[CATCH17]

We have to stop this cycle of hiring and firing head coaches every few years.

Agreed but if the coach we have is no good than he doesn't need to be here.

 

[Flinger]

Just wondering, what exactly do you feel he's doing a great job with?

I will make a stab at that:

Coaching acquisition - there hasn't been this much coaching talent on this team since the early 90's

Player acquisition - under his leadership and direction, the players on this team are RKG's, leaders and talented. They have great attitudes and positive behaviors. They are hungry and they are all about 'team'.

System - He is demonstrating what all legendary coaches do, they evolve. He recognizes a change is necessary on offense, so he introduces the Erhardt-Perkins system to speed up the pace. On defense, he moved from a complex, attacking system to a proven, stable system that is a variant of the Tampa 2. Both of these systems are proven by today's top teams (Offense - Patriots; Defense - Seahawks/Bears).

Focus - His attention to 'the little things', process, one game at a time, be better today than yesterday, and 'live in the moment' is being bought into by team. No more chest thumping or da, just quiet resolve.

Team - He is putting the 'team' ahead of everthing else. In his communication, in his lack of communication, in his decisions to jettison players with bigger ego's than the team, in his decision about who makes play calls - all in what is in the best interest of the 'team'... in an age of free agency, that is absolutely critical. For too long now, we have had a ball club without continuity at the HC level. As a result, we get players that do not fit into an overall cohesive 'team first' structure. So we get Jerry's flavor of the week - TO, Pacman, Roy W, etc. Garrett gives us that leadership. Oh - and, don't think the way he handled the Brent situation last year was lost upon the 'team' in the locker room. He is a leader that is concerned for each one of them and they know it. Unity can overcome a lot of adversity and 'teams' always defeat a group of talented individuals.

Leadership - The guy is a born leader. He has a vision for the type of team he wants and he is assembling it. The players are 'all in' with him and that is the mark of a leader. The coaching staff is empowered and accountable (see Ryan). He manages the media very well. He manages Jerry very well. He give deferrence to those in authority, but is confident and skilled enough to chart his own course.

Having said all of these things, he does have flaws that need work. But, he is continually learning and adapting.

We need continuity more than anything. We don't need another head coach at the end of this year, no matter the outcome unless he somehow 'loses' the team. But, he won't. He is a much stronger leader than Wade ever thought about being.

Will Jerry have patience with him if we go 8-8 or 9-7 and don't get in the playoffs? Actually... this time... I think he will.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I will make a stab at that:

Coaching acquisition - there hasn't been this much coaching talent on this team since the early 90's

Player acquisition - under his leadership and direction, the players on this team are RKG's, leaders and talented. They have great attitudes and positive behaviors. They are hungry and they are all about 'team'.

System - He is demonstrating what all legendary coaches do, they evolve. He recognizes a change is necessary on offense, so he introduces the Erhardt-Perkins system to speed up the pace. On defense, he moved from a complex, attacking system to a proven, stable system that is a variant of the Tampa 2. Both of these systems are proven by today's top teams (Offense - Patriots; Defense - Seahawks/Bears).

Focus - His attention to 'the little things', process, one game at a time, be better today than yesterday, and 'live in the moment' is being bought into by team. No more chest thumping or da, just quiet resolve.

Team - He is putting the 'team' ahead of everthing else. In his communication, in his lack of communication, in his decisions to jettison players with bigger ego's than the team, in his decision about who makes play calls - all in what is in the best interest of the 'team'... in an age of free agency, that is absolutely critical. For too long now, we have had a ball club without continuity at the HC level. As a result, we get players that do not fit into an overall cohesive 'team first' structure. So we get Jerry's flavor of the week - TO, Pacman, Roy W, etc. Garrett gives us that leadership. Oh - and, don't think the way he handled the Brent situation last year was lost upon the 'team' in the locker room. He is a leader that is concerned for each one of them and they know it. Unity can overcome a lot of adversity and 'teams' always defeat a group of talented individuals.

Leadership - The guy is a born leader. He has a vision for the type of team he wants and he is assembling it. The players are 'all in' with him and that is the mark of a leader. The coaching staff is empowered and accountable (see Ryan). He manages the media very well. He manages Jerry very well. He give deferrence to those in authority, but is confident and skilled enough to chart his own course.

Having said all of these things, he does have flaws that need work. But, he is continually learning and adapting.

We need continuity more than anything. We don't need another head coach at the end of this year, no matter the outcome unless he somehow 'loses' the team. But, he won't. He is a much stronger leader than Wade ever thought about being.

Will Jerry have patience with him if we go 8-8 or 9-7 and don't get in the playoffs? Actually... this time... I think he will.

Thanks for the response, man. I do agree with you on a few of the differnt aspects you mentioned here, which is why im not on the bus with the people calling for his head already.

I do agree with your position on talent aquisition, both player and coach-wise. I think we are in a great position to be a very good football team in the next few years. We have a great coaching staff in place and some very good, young, tough, smart football players on this team that should be able to win alot of games together. I also agree that he seems to be a natural leader who is able to earn the respect of his players with his attitude and putting the team first at all times. I think there's a real chance that he will be able to be successful.

However, this year, and in the near future, we need to start seeing all these positives translating to on field production and results. This is what's missing from JG right now, and unfortunately its the ultimate measure of success. He needs to win with this team and show tangible progress in the on field product that we are putting out there. He has the players he wants now, he has a great, experienced coaching staff around him. We have to see progress and production now.. no more stupid penalties, no more sloppy play, guys not knowing where to go or line up, not having the correct players, or enough players, on the field in time, etc.. all that stuff has to end and we have to win.

I really hope that happens this year, and i think there's a very good chance it will.

 

[Flinger]

However, this year, and in the near future, we need to start seeing all these positives translating to on field production and results. This is what's missing from JG right now, and unfortunately its the ultimate measure of success. He needs to win with this team and show tangible progress in the on field product that we are putting out there. He has the players he wants now, he has a great, experienced coaching staff around him. We have to see progress and production now.. no more stupid penalties, no more sloppy play, guys not knowing where to go or line up, not having the correct players, or enough players, on the field in time, etc.. all that stuff has to end and we have to win.

I really hope that happens this year, and i think there's a very good chance it will.

I'm right there with you. We need results. And, I think we are going to get them. Look, something else no one ever seems to get clear in their thinking (including me) - injuries dissemated this team last year. Even guys that were attempting play were severly curtailed in their ability (i.e. Ware, Berny, Livings, Murray, Dez, Romo, on, and on, and on). We were playing other team first stringers against our 2nd and 3rd stringers - not to mention a lot of guys off the street. Believe it or not - that matters. There is a reason 1st stringers are 1st stringers.

Having said all that - our schedule is a whole lot easier this year. And, to your point - the disorganization of players not being on the field or too many being on the field... well that was mostly defense and he DID do something about it. That is called accountability.

So, if we don't get to the playoffs this year - I really believe it will be because of a bunch of uncontrollable events just like last year. And, you don't throw out a head coach just because he had some bad breaks like uncontrollable injuries.

He's putting something together. We have to get out of the pack mentality that if you don't win it all in 3 years, he has to go. We need continuity with a leader at the helm that knows what he's doing. Garrett knows what he's doing.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Having said all that - our schedule is a whole lot easier this year. And, to your point - the disorganization of players not being on the field or too many being on the field... well that was mostly defense and he DID do something about it. That is called accountability.

So, if we don't get to the playoffs this year - I really believe it will be because of a bunch of uncontrollable events just like last year. And, you don't throw out a head coach just because he had some bad breaks like uncontrollable injuries.

He's putting something together. We have to get out of the pack mentality that if you don't win it all in 3 years, he has to go. We need continuity with a leader at the helm that knows what he's doing. Garrett knows what he's doing.

Certainly, if we are just completely decimated by injuries this year, it should have an affect on our expectations for the season.. but we do need to see some results. Even if we only win 9 games or whatever, we need to see some things change on the field. The defenses problem with getting the right packages and people on the field was just one part of it. We also have guys on offense who don't seem to know where to line up or how to adjust to the audibles that Romo calls at times, we have bad false start penalties biting us in the rear, etc.. some of this stuff just needs to be cleaned up. Too often we play unfocused, undisciplined football.. and that just has to start going away.


We both seem to agree though, that there's a good chance we see what we're looking for this year.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Agreed but if the coach we have is no good than he doesn't need to be here.

Exactly.

At what point do all of these great intangibles Garrett has translate to actual wins?

The guy did not just show up either, he has been the OC for 6 yrs and the head coach for 2.5 yrs.

So far under his tenure the team has never finished higher than 3rd place in the East. I know this is blasphemy, but maybe the guy is just not that good of a coach.

 

[Flinger]

Exactly.

At what point do all of these great intangibles Garrett has translate to actual wins?

The guy did not just show up either, he has been the OC for 6 yrs and the head coach for 2.5 yrs.

So far under his tenure the team has never finished higher than 3rd place in the East. I know this is blasphemy, but maybe the guy is just not that good of a coach.

As you say, he's been the head coach for 2.5 years... Good grief. You can't see any improvement? You can't see all of the injuries last year? You can't see that Romo was injuried for most of his first year? You can't see any good coaching? Good grief.

Try following the Commanders. They are on the way up...